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Postby Sordhau » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:00 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Well maybe one of the leaders will become popular in prison and then sweep to election victory.


A good case to haul them out before a firing squad, actually!
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:11 am

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Dumb Ideologies wrote:Well maybe one of the leaders will become popular in prison and then sweep to election victory.


A good case to haul them out before a firing squad, actually!

Germany abolished the death penalty to the point of including a prohibition of it in their constitution.
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Postby Sordhau » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:15 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
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A good case to haul them out before a firing squad, actually!

Germany abolished the death penalty to the point of including a prohibition of it in their constitution.


Curiously constitutional laws have never stopped governments from acting unconstitutionally.
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Postby The Selkie » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:18 am

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Stellar Colonies wrote:Germany abolished the death penalty to the point of including a prohibition of it in their constitution.


Curiously constitutional laws have never stopped governments from acting unconstitutionally.


And constitutional laws have stopped quite a few governments from acting unconstitutionally, too. I believe, modern Germany has a better track record of that then you like to give it credit for, Jenny.
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Postby Crepuscular Zikrox » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:19 am

25 random guys were not going to coup an entire government. I think they were just larping.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:20 am

Objectively speaking, should Germany's present government be overthrown? I would say yes, the nation hasn't done well under them. Reopening coal power plants because they thought solar and wind to be more capable than nuclear? Letting the worst sort of immigration to occur?

It is too much indignity to bear. But unfortunately, it isn't currently a given that any replacement government will prove as capable or competent.
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Postby Nora Xent » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:21 am

Honestly if they didn't get arrested and actually tried to overthrow the government, they probably would have been gunned down by federal troops. So this is the best outcome.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:24 am

Interesting that this happens right after Scholz declared his intent to expand Germany's military and said that "Germans are intent on becoming the guarantor of European security"

Let's note that the Reuters article in the OP notes that several of those arrested were active service and reservists for the "Bundeswehr's KSK elite force, which has been overhauled in recent years due to a number of far-right incidents."

Germany attempting to more fully remilitarize while their military elite forces are overrun by political extremism? Who could have expected it!?

I'm sure everyone here is looking forward to the Germans guaranteeing European security. They have such a good past and former record of doing it well.
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Postby Sordhau » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:30 am

Nora Xent wrote:Honestly if they didn't get arrested and actually tried to overthrow the government, they probably would have been gunned down by federal troops. So this is the best outcome.


...No, Fascist insurrectionists being gunned down by federal troops is definitely the better outcome.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:32 am

Sordhau wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Honestly if they didn't get arrested and actually tried to overthrow the government, they probably would have been gunned down by federal troops. So this is the best outcome.


...No, Fascist insurrectionists being gunned down by federal troops is definitely the better outcome.


Well that's not very nice.
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Postby Kerwa » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:32 am

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Kerwa wrote:I’m not really familiar with the details of Qanon - other than it was a troll of boomers that got vastly out of hand - but I didn’t think it had anything to do with Germany.

QAnon conspiracy theories have striking similarities with early 20th century anti-Semitic media—it’s likely either sourced from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or from Nazi propaganda based on the text. Given the role of neo-Nazis in creating the post-Cold War white nationalist movement, it’s not as surprising as it first appears. Since Germany prohibits explicit Nazi propaganda, it’s possible that foreign derivatives like American neofascism are more influential than German Nazism in the country.


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Postby Nora Xent » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:33 am

Sordhau wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Honestly if they didn't get arrested and actually tried to overthrow the government, they probably would have been gunned down by federal troops. So this is the best outcome.


...No, Fascist insurrectionists being gunned down by federal troops is definitely the better outcome.

Can you not want a fuckton of violence for 5 seconds?

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Postby Crepuscular Zikrox » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:34 am

Sordhau wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Honestly if they didn't get arrested and actually tried to overthrow the government, they probably would have been gunned down by federal troops. So this is the best outcome.


...No, Fascist insurrectionists being gunned down by federal troops is definitely the better outcome.

Killing people >>>>>> Not killing people, apparently
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:35 am

Is this Heinrich XIII even in the line of succession to the former German throne?
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Postby Nora Xent » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:36 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Is this Heinrich XIII even in the line of succession to the former German throne?

He's not even a Hohenzollern, he is from the House of Reuss, which owned about half a rhode island in the german empire.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:38 am

Nora Xent wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Is this Heinrich XIII even in the line of succession to the former German throne?

He's not even a Hohenzollern, he is from the House of Reuss, which owned about half a rhode island in the german empire.


Respect to his realm priest for managing to fabricate a claim to the entire empire.
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:42 am

Saiwania wrote:Objectively speaking, should Germany's present government be overthrown? I would say yes, the nation hasn't done well under them. Reopening coal power plants because they thought solar and wind to be more capable than nuclear? Letting the worst sort of immigration to occur?

It is too much indignity to bear. But unfortunately, it isn't currently a given that any replacement government will prove as capable or competent.

Is something you're entirely incapable of, and is one of the many reasons your arguments never get taken seriously.
And rightfully so.
The North Polish Union wrote:Interesting that this happens right after Scholz declared his intent to expand Germany's military and said that "Germans are intent on becoming the guarantor of European security"

Let's note that the Reuters article in the OP notes that several of those arrested were active service and reservists for the "Bundeswehr's KSK elite force, which has been overhauled in recent years due to a number of far-right incidents."

Germany attempting to more fully remilitarize while their military elite forces are overrun by political extremism? Who could have expected it!?

I'm sure everyone here is looking forward to the Germans guaranteeing European security. They have such a good past and former record of doing it well.

This is such a reach for a point I'm surprised you didn't sprain something.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:44 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
A good case to haul them out before a firing squad, actually!

Germany abolished the death penalty to the point of including a prohibition of it in their constitution.

To punish you for seeking to undermine the Basic Law of Germany we are going to ignore the Basic Law of Germany.


Crepuscular Zikrox wrote:25 random guys were not going to coup an entire government. I think they were just larping.

They're not random guys.


The North Polish Union wrote:Interesting that this happens right after Scholz declared his intent to expand Germany's military and said that "Germans are intent on becoming the guarantor of European security"

Is that interesting? I don't see how.

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Postby The Selkie » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:44 am

Saiwania wrote:Objectively speaking, should Germany's present government be overthrown? I would say yes, the nation hasn't done well under them. Reopening coal power plants because they thought solar and wind to be more capable than nuclear? Letting the worst sort of immigration to occur?

It is too much indignity to bear. But unfortunately, it isn't currently a given that any replacement government will prove as capable or competent.


If anything, the current German Government should be voted out of office in the next elections, be they regular in 2025 or sooner in accordance with Article 65, GG.
Overthrown? No. The mere idea shows, how little you understand of the world, Saiwania. Germany is, and for the forseeable future will remain, the strongest economy in Europe, a leading member of the EU and quite an important NATO Member. A coup, and the corresponding instability, is right out under these circumstances. Germany is not some banana republic at the arse of the world.
Furthermore, the Government of Scholz has been in office since the 8th of December 2021. Tomorrow, that'll be a year. In a year, which has been marred by crisis and issues upon issues, which have little to do with the current government, they done pretty well, actually.
That being said, the "indignities" you mention, nuclear power was abolished by the Merkel Government, the plants are scheduled to be taken off the network and it was planned like that - you might not be aware of this, but a nuclear power plant is not like your PC, you can't just press a switch and a few minutes later, it's online. They are powering down, they lack the proper certificates and the proper fuel, all by design. So, in order to not be off as well as our Western neighbours (no, I will not call any names, the German Government decided to fire up the coal power plants. Not an ideal solution, but a solution.
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The North Polish Union wrote:Interesting that this happens right after Scholz declared his intent to expand Germany's military and said that "Germans are intent on becoming the guarantor of European security"

Let's note that the Reuters article in the OP notes that several of those arrested were active service and reservists for the "Bundeswehr's KSK elite force, which has been overhauled in recent years due to a number of far-right incidents."

Germany attempting to more fully remilitarize while their military elite forces are overrun by political extremism? Who could have expected it!?

I'm sure everyone here is looking forward to the Germans guaranteeing European security. They have such a good past and former record of doing it well.


Yes, yes, Germany always evil because Nazis, we get it. Can you watch some other nonsense on History Channel for a change? Like Ancient Aliens? That's at least funny.
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Postby Platoon of Peace » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:46 am

Good that they shut them down before it got any worse. I don't know if they were actually gonna be able to do anything, but glad that we didn't need to find out.
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Postby The Selkie » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:47 am

Platoon of Peace wrote:Good that they shut them down before it got any worse. I don't know if they were actually gonna be able to do anything, but glad that we didn't need to find out.


I doubt, that they'd be able to go on the toilet in the Reichstagsgebäude, let alone overthrow anything (safe for maybe a trashcan or two).
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Postby Nora Xent » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:50 am

If they did somehow manage to get into the reichstag I'm sure all eleven monarchy loyalists would support them before the army came in to restore the government.

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Postby Sordhau » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:50 am

Nora Xent wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
...No, Fascist insurrectionists being gunned down by federal troops is definitely the better outcome.

Can you not want a fuckton of violence for 5 seconds?

Crepuscular Zikrox wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
...No, Fascist insurrectionists being gunned down by federal troops is definitely the better outcome.

Killing people >>>>>> Not killing people, apparently


Violence is the only thing Fascists understand, and it's the only proven effective method of keeping them down.

You're free to disagree, of course. Just remember that the last people who tried to fight Fascism with laws and debate ended up being shot by Fascists. Go figure.
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Postby Sordhau » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Germany abolished the death penalty to the point of including a prohibition of it in their constitution.

To punish you for seeking to undermine the Basic Law of Germany we are going to ignore the Basic Law of Germany.


I don't care about the Basic Law of Germany. I care about keeping Fascism in the dustbin of history where it belongs.
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