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Kalivyah wrote:

Xerographica wrote:A long time ago i lived in china for half a year. i ate a wide variety of very delicious and affordable street food nearly everyday and didn't get food poisoning once.

regulation has 3 main results

1. decrease the variety and quality of food
2. increase the price of food
3. decrease employment options

everybody gets screwed. poorer people get especially screwed.

you have this idea that legislators are magically enlightened enough to correctly weigh the costs and benefits of regulation for you, me and every other unique individual in society. this idea is the most harmful idea ever.

you want to voluntarily contribute to a non-profit organization that certifies participating food companies as meeting a high standard of cleanliness? fine, no problem. if you're concerned about the problem of free-riding, fine, it's a reasonable concern, therefore taxes. but it is entirely not fine if you think it's a good idea for somebody who doesn't even know my favorite fruit to decide how my taxes should be spent.

Didn't you just say that you lived in China? You mean the one who is still quite regulatory of its economy? Who has never been fully free market capitalist? You... you literally just proved the point that regulation increases the variety and quality of food... not to mention that regulation can actually cause prices to drop down as it prevents corporations from increasing the prices of products.
Ahh... average libertarian.

It is impossible for anyone, even if he be a statesman of genius, to weigh the whole community's utility and sacrifice against each other. - Knut Wicksell, A New Principle of Just Taxation

Xerographica wrote:It's really sad that most of you have never tried soursop or jackfruit. Is this an example of market failure? No, it's an example of my failure.

Xerographica wrote:I failed to persuade the members of a rare fruit forum that it would be incredibly beneficial if donations (to the forum) could be used to rank fruit.

Xerographica wrote:It's really sad that most of you have never tried soursop or jackfruit. Is this an example of market failure? No, it's an example of my failure. I failed to persuade the members of a rare fruit forum that it would be incredibly beneficial if donations (to the forum) could be used to rank fruit.

Senkaku wrote:

Xerographica wrote:It's really sad that most of you have never tried soursop or jackfruit. Is this an example of market failure? No, it's an example of my failure.

I think you might be the closest thing NS has to a dril unfortunately

Xerographica wrote:I failed to persuade the members of a rare fruit forum that it would be incredibly beneficial if donations (to the forum) could be used to rank fruit.

WHY ARE YOU DISCLOSING THIS???

Senkaku wrote:

Xerographica wrote:It's really sad that most of you have never tried soursop or jackfruit. Is this an example of market failure? No, it's an example of my failure.

I think you might be the closest thing NS has to a dril unfortunately

Xerographica wrote:I failed to persuade the members of a rare fruit forum that it would be incredibly beneficial if donations (to the forum) could be used to rank fruit.

WHY ARE YOU DISCLOSING THIS???

Senkaku wrote:

Xerographica wrote:It's really sad that most of you have never tried soursop or jackfruit. Is this an example of market failure? No, it's an example of my failure.

I think you might be the closest thing NS has to a dril unfortunately

Xerographica wrote:I failed to persuade the members of a rare fruit forum that it would be incredibly beneficial if donations (to the forum) could be used to rank fruit.

WHY ARE YOU DISCLOSING THIS???

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I wonder if theres a reason none of the forums you are on have heeded the call to facilitate donations for decision making. Or why such logic stubbornly fails to make progress towards adoption in real life important contexts as is your eventual aim.

Widespread lack of interest in spending money to be able to properly participate in discussions which they can currently get fully involved in without spending money?

Perhaps from an individual point of view what you suggest is wildly inefficient because the vast majority of people don't actually *want* to spend money, and the majority will reject the legitimacy of the result of your money vote?

Maybe this idea comes across as even more out of touch than previously as a general model for society in the context of a cost of living crisis where people in the developed societies you're suggesting this for currently can't in many cases afford to heat their homes or buy food for their kids?

No, it's the children who are wrong!

Senkaku wrote:

Xerographica wrote:It's really sad that most of you have never tried soursop or jackfruit. Is this an example of market failure? No, it's an example of my failure.

I think you might be the closest thing NS has to a dril unfortunately

Xerographica wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I wonder if theres a reason none of the forums you are on have heeded the call to facilitate donations for decision making. Or why such logic stubbornly fails to make progress towards adoption in real life important contexts as is your eventual aim.

Widespread lack of interest in spending money to be able to properly participate in discussions which they can currently get fully involved in without spending money?

Perhaps from an individual point of view what you suggest is wildly inefficient because the vast majority of people don't actually *want* to spend money, and the majority will reject the legitimacy of the result of your money vote?

Maybe this idea comes across as even more out of touch than previously as a general model for society in the context of a cost of living crisis where people in the developed societies you're suggesting this for currently can't in many cases afford to heat their homes or buy food for their kids?

No, it's the children who are wrong!

Some members of the rare fruit forum already donate to it. In their case the option to help rank fruit would simply be an additional perk. Well, I think it would be the only perk.

Out of all the fruits you haven't tried yet, there is one you would enjoy the most. You would find, and try, this fruit faster if there was a list of fruits ranked by donations. This is a fact. It's the honest truth.

You resist this truth because it would upend your strongly held belief in leadership and democracy.

Regarding leadership, no single member, or subset, of a group has tried more fruit than the group as a whole. Regarding democracy, the majority will never know about some "new" fruit before the minority. Perhaps I'm the only member of nationstates that has heard of the achacha. Sadly I still haven't had the chance to try it yet.

Xerographica wrote:Out of all the fruits you haven't tried yet, there is one you would enjoy the most. You would find, and try, this fruit faster if there was a list of fruits ranked by donations. This is a fact. It's the honest truth.

You resist this truth because it would upend your strongly held belief in leadership and democracy.

Necroghastia wrote:

Xerographica wrote:Out of all the fruits you haven't tried yet, there is one you would enjoy the most. You would find, and try, this fruit faster if there was a list of fruits ranked by donations. This is a fact. It's the honest truth.

You resist this truth because it would upend your strongly held belief in leadership and democracy.

and not, y'know, because some obscure fruit would be buried by the normie fruits because fucking obviously.

Necroghastia wrote:ranking fruits by donations also says nothing about whether you personally would like it or not, because that tells you nothing about the taste, texture, consistency, or nutritional value. aka things that actually matter when you're eating something.

now this? this is a ranking system.

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Xerographica wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I wonder if theres a reason none of the forums you are on have heeded the call to facilitate donations for decision making. Or why such logic stubbornly fails to make progress towards adoption in real life important contexts as is your eventual aim.

Widespread lack of interest in spending money to be able to properly participate in discussions which they can currently get fully involved in without spending money?

Perhaps from an individual point of view what you suggest is wildly inefficient because the vast majority of people don't actually *want* to spend money, and the majority will reject the legitimacy of the result of your money vote?

Maybe this idea comes across as even more out of touch than previously as a general model for society in the context of a cost of living crisis where people in the developed societies you're suggesting this for currently can't in many cases afford to heat their homes or buy food for their kids?

No, it's the children who are wrong!

Some members of the rare fruit forum already donate to it. In their case the option to help rank fruit would simply be an additional perk. Well, I think it would be the only perk.

Out of all the fruits you haven't tried yet, there is one you would enjoy the most. You would find, and try, this fruit faster if there was a list of fruits ranked by donations. This is a fact. It's the honest truth.

You resist this truth because it would upend your strongly held belief in leadership and democracy.

Regarding leadership, no single member, or subset, of a group has tried more fruit than the group as a whole. Regarding democracy, the majority will never know about some "new" fruit before the minority. Perhaps I'm the only member of nationstates that has heard of the achacha. Sadly I still haven't had the chance to try it yet.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:I thought this was about debating Libertarianism and Pragmatism not fruit.

Xerographica wrote:Donations have been used to rank the themes of the past few libertarian conventions, unlike the dates and locations. The Invisible Hand can be trusted to rank the themes, but it can't be trusted to rank the dates and locations?

Libertarianism is characterized by a highly incoherent viewpoint on the Invisible Hand, unlike pragmatarianism.

Xerographica wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:I thought this was about debating Libertarianism and Pragmatism not fruit.

Feel free to be the 1st to address this point in the OP...

Xerographica wrote:Donations have been used to rank the themes of the past few libertarian conventions, unlike the dates and locations. The Invisible Hand can be trusted to rank the themes, but it can't be trusted to rank the dates and locations?

Libertarianism is characterized by a highly incoherent viewpoint on the Invisible Hand, unlike pragmatarianism.