Libertarianism vs Pragmatarianism

[Xerographica]

Libertarianism is the only ideology that can function without tearing itself apart every 20 years. It's the only feasibly realistic ideology.

Feel free to be the 1st to address this point in the OP...

Donations have been used to rank the themes of the past few libertarian conventions, unlike the dates and locations. The Invisible Hand can be trusted to rank the themes, but it can't be trusted to rank the dates and locations?

Libertarianism is characterized by a highly incoherent viewpoint on the Invisible Hand, unlike pragmatarianism.

[Kalivyah]

Legitimately what the fuck is going on?

[Nue Cascadia]

Legitimately what the fuck is going on?

Someone tried to criticize Libertarianism and utterly failed to do so. Apparently

Edit: Holy crap I can't spell.

[Kubra]

Legitimately what the fuck is going on?

Seriously bro, don't ask. This is a rabbit hole not worth going down.

[Untecna]

Libertarianism is the only ideology that can function without tearing itself apart every 20 years. It's the only feasibly realistic ideology.

Woo, that's hilarious. Tell another joke, would you?

[Nora Xent]

Libertarianism is the only ideology that can function without tearing itself apart every 20 years. It's the only feasibly realistic ideology.

can you provide an example of libertarianism in the real world?

[Nue Cascadia]

Libertarianism is the only ideology that can function without tearing itself apart every 20 years. It's the only feasibly realistic ideology.

Woo, that's hilarious. Tell another joke, would you?

So the president calls up one of his advisors, for intel on North Korea. He asks,

"I know this may be a weird question, but does North Korea have any Walmarts?"

To which the advisor replies,

"Mr. President, there are no Walmarts in North Korea. Only Targets."

[Forsher]

This is kinda a bizarre thread. Anyway, you can get jackfruit in Germany and I've tried it and it's alright but nothing special. As for regulation and such, I believe in informed consent. In theory I would be okay with a street vendor serving a lye milkshake if that vendor was obligated to say "if you drink this you will die an extremely painful death."

I tried a lot of unusual fruits about fourteen years ago... actually more like fourteen and a half years ago... which is, admittedly, rather too long to remember how much I liked them. But it is somewhat remarkable that you can turn a fruit growing plantation into a tourist attraction, which, as I said, it's actually quite an interesting place to go.

Legitimately what the fuck is going on?

Seriously bro, don't ask. This is a rabbit hole not worth going down.

As a Xero thread old hand, it is interesting to learn that he still calls his position pragmatarianism; it hadn't been a major feature of his thread for quite a number of years at this point.

[Ifreann]

Legitimately what the fuck is going on?

Here's the reading you need to do to understand this thread.

[Xerographica]

The requirement for people to invest scarce monetary resources (which are also unevenly distributed) raises the bar for participation and distorts the signalling in favour of those with the most resources who could more widely participate. That in itself introduces a huge inefficiency in the signalling of the system, and makes it far far worse than what we already have.

A box of achacha fruit from Florida is over $100. I doubt many poor people in the US have tried it, so a "fair" democratic system would rank it way lower than a donation system would. Nobody benefits from fruit fake news. Nobody benefits when poor farmers in Guatemala grow a fruit that is far less valuable than the achacha.

[Ifreann]

Nobody benefits from fruit fake news.

You should watch Trading Places, fruit fake news is a critical plot point.

[The Holy Therns]

The requirement for people to invest scarce monetary resources (which are also unevenly distributed) raises the bar for participation and distorts the signalling in favour of those with the most resources who could more widely participate. That in itself introduces a huge inefficiency in the signalling of the system, and makes it far far worse than what we already have.

A box of achacha fruit from Florida is over $100. I doubt many poor people in the US have tried it, so a "fair" democratic system would rank it way lower than a donation system would. Nobody benefits from fruit fake news. Nobody benefits when poor farmers in Guatemala grow a fruit that is far less valuable than the achacha.

Sounds expensive. I'll stick to apples.

[Nora Xent]

'Fruit fake news' sounds like a parody of news in general.

[Sordhau]

Libertarianism is the only ideology that can function without tearing itself apart every 20 years. It's the only feasibly realistic ideology.

Left-wing Libertarianism, yes.

Right-wing Libertarianism, no.

[Xerographica]

As a Xero thread old hand, it is interesting to learn that he still calls his position pragmatarianism; it hadn't been a major feature of his thread for quite a number of years at this point.

I think it's been a while since anyone has called me a libertarian.

[Xerographica]

This is kinda a bizarre thread. Anyway, you can get jackfruit in Germany and I've tried it and it's alright but nothing special. As for regulation and such, I believe in informed consent. In theory I would be okay with a street vendor serving a lye milkshake if that vendor was obligated to say "if you drink this you will die an extremely painful death."

jackfruit...the fruit or the veggie?

[Drongonia]

I failed to persuade the members of a rare fruit forum that it would be incredibly beneficial if donations (to the forum) could be used to rank fruit.

You... you what?

[Xerographica]

A box of achacha fruit from Florida is over $100. I doubt many poor people in the US have tried it, so a "fair" democratic system would rank it way lower than a donation system would. Nobody benefits from fruit fake news. Nobody benefits when poor farmers in Guatemala grow a fruit that is far less valuable than the achacha.

Sounds expensive. I'll stick to apples.

it is expensive, so more and more people are growing it. as the supply goes up the price will come down. just like what happened with dragon fruit.

It is thus that the private interests and passions of individuals naturally dispose them to turn their stocks towards the employments which in ordinary cases are most advantageous to the society. But if from this natural preference they should turn too much of it towards those employments, the fall of profit in them and the rise of it in all others immediately dispose them to alter this faulty distribution. Without any intervention of law, therefore, the private interests and passions of men naturally lead them to divide and distribute the stock of every society among all the different employments carried on in it as nearly as possible in the proportion which is most agreeable to the interest of the whole society.  — Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

[Alcala-Cordel]

It's really sad that most of you have never tried soursop or jackfruit. Is this an example of market failure? No, it's an example of my failure. I failed to persuade the members of a rare fruit forum that it would be incredibly beneficial if donations (to the forum) could be used to rank fruit.

Just let them discuss fruit in peace lmao
No one wants to pay an obscure internet forum to participate in a poll

[Vistulange]

You've got to be taking the piss, at this point.

[Risottia]

I wonder if theres a reason none of the forums you are on have heeded the call to facilitate donations for decision making.

Well, I suspect it might be because our mutual friend has failed so far to offer us any kind of monetary incentive to heed his calls.

[Bombadil]

and not, y'know, because some obscure fruit would be buried by the normie fruits because fucking obviously.

Xero: Donation voting would elevate rare fruits!

Donation voting: APPLE.

Or ZAPPLE! A hi-energy fruit drink to zap your day!

*warning: contains fructose, caffeine and flavouring, no actual fruit contained in this product.

[Comfed]

Out of all the fruits you haven't tried yet, there is one you would enjoy the most. You would find, and try, this fruit faster if there was a list of fruits ranked by donations. This is a fact. It's the honest truth.

I don't know about everyone else, but I wouldn't. I would think "I wonder if any fruit vendors rigged this vote," and "this is a silly way to run an online poll".

[The Holy Therns]

Sounds expensive. I'll stick to apples.

it is expensive, so more and more people are growing it. as the supply goes up the price will come down. just like what happened with dragon fruit.

It is thus that the private interests and passions of individuals naturally dispose them to turn their stocks towards the employments which in ordinary cases are most advantageous to the society. But if from this natural preference they should turn too much of it towards those employments, the fall of profit in them and the rise of it in all others immediately dispose them to alter this faulty distribution. Without any intervention of law, therefore, the private interests and passions of men naturally lead them to divide and distribute the stock of every society among all the different employments carried on in it as nearly as possible in the proportion which is most agreeable to the interest of the whole society.  — Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

Huh. If I was growing it, I'd like as few as possible doing so. It's against my interest for the price to go down after all.

Hi Adam Smith, you're as usual not serving Xero's position very well.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

the hell are you talking about?