Alcala-Cordel wrote:I really hope the people who answered "fascism" are joking.
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by Erynia and Draconia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:00 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:I really hope the people who answered "fascism" are joking.
by Technoscience Leftwing » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:24 pm
by El Lazaro » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:40 pm
Technoscience Leftwing wrote:Leftism is not an illusion, it is simply multi-vector. It is a commitment to social protection, internationalism, secularism, technological progress, revolution and emancipation.
by Sordhau » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:44 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:I really hope the people who answered "fascism" are joking.
by Shermania » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:47 pm
Sordhau wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:I really hope the people who answered "fascism" are joking.
Liberals will do everything in their power to hamfistedly draw a connection between Fascism and the Left that doesn't exist just so say they can justify subscribing to the asinine horseshoe theory which has long since been dismissed by credible political scientists. Just another example of them projecting their long and storied history of Fascist collaboration onto the Left.
by Technoscience Leftwing » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:51 pm
El Lazaro wrote:Technoscience Leftwing wrote:Leftism is not an illusion, it is simply multi-vector. It is a commitment to social protection, internationalism, secularism, technological progress, revolution and emancipation.
Since this is pretty much your sig copy and pasted, does “secularism” mean targeting clergy with state terror campaigns?
by The H Corporation » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:54 pm
by Sordhau » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:54 pm
Technoscience Leftwing wrote:El Lazaro wrote:Since this is pretty much your sig copy and pasted, does “secularism” mean targeting clergy with state terror campaigns?
The clergy led a terrorist policy against dissidents for 800 years, creating the Inquisition for this. Because it knew perfectly well that the class struggle was hidden under the religious shell. The fighters on the other side of the barricades also knew this - the Jacobins and the Bolsheviks, who drowned priests in barges and replaced church holidays with "festivals of reason" or anti-clerical demonstrations. However, the Jacobins and the Bolsheviks fought only against the churchmen as hired agitators of the ruling classes - and not against the personal faith of the citizens, which, under a secular state, was declared a private matter.
by El Lazaro » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:58 pm
Technoscience Leftwing wrote:El Lazaro wrote:Since this is pretty much your sig copy and pasted, does “secularism” mean targeting clergy with state terror campaigns?
The clergy led a terrorist policy against dissidents for 800 years, creating the Inquisition for this. Because it knew perfectly well that the class struggle was hidden under the religious shell. The fighters on the other side of the barricades also knew this - the Jacobins and the Bolsheviks, who drowned priests in barges and replaced church holidays with "festivals of reason" or anti-clerical demonstrations. However, the Jacobins and the Bolsheviks fought only against the churchmen as hired agitators of the ruling classes - and not against the personal faith of the citizens, which, under a secular state, was declared a private matter.
by Rusticus I Damianus » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:58 pm
by Diarcesia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:59 pm
Sordhau wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:I really hope the people who answered "fascism" are joking.
Liberals will do everything in their power to hamfistedly draw a connection between Fascism and the Left that doesn't exist just so say they can justify subscribing to the asinine horseshoe theory which has long since been dismissed by credible political scientists. Just another example of them projecting their long and storied history of Fascist collaboration onto the Left.
by Vistulange » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:01 pm
Diarcesia wrote:Sordhau wrote:
Liberals will do everything in their power to hamfistedly draw a connection between Fascism and the Left that doesn't exist just so say they can justify subscribing to the asinine horseshoe theory which has long since been dismissed by credible political scientists. Just another example of them projecting their long and storied history of Fascist collaboration onto the Left.
That's news to me, those who say fascism is "left-wing" are almost always the far-right types.
by Free Algerstonia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:02 pm
by El Lazaro » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:02 pm
Vistulange wrote:Diarcesia wrote:That's news to me, those who say fascism is "left-wing" are almost always the far-right types.
According to Jenny, "liberals" are "far-right". Anybody who doesn't subscribe to her brand of leftism is some sort of class traitor, social fascist, fascist, or all of the above.
by Rusticus I Damianus » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:03 pm
Diarcesia wrote:Sordhau wrote:
Liberals will do everything in their power to hamfistedly draw a connection between Fascism and the Left that doesn't exist just so say they can justify subscribing to the asinine horseshoe theory which has long since been dismissed by credible political scientists. Just another example of them projecting their long and storied history of Fascist collaboration onto the Left.
That's news to me, those who say fascism is "left-wing" are almost always the far-right types.
by Diarcesia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:07 pm
Rusticus I Damianus wrote:Diarcesia wrote:That's news to me, those who say fascism is "left-wing" are almost always the far-right types.
I'm Ancap, I did my research and came to the conclusion that Fascism is nothing more then Italian Socialism that focuses on Nationality. Likewise Nazism is just another brand of Socialism that focuses on race, is anti semetic and has a whole bat crap crazy pagan religion bullcrap thrown in as well. At which point, I can just list them off as branches of the broader tree of Socialism, say that whole entire tree is bad, and say that I don't want anything to do with any of it.
Reject Socialism and all it's forms, embrace Liberty.
by Rusticus I Damianus » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:08 pm
Diarcesia wrote:Rusticus I Damianus wrote:I'm Ancap, I did my research and came to the conclusion that Fascism is nothing more then Italian Socialism that focuses on Nationality. Likewise Nazism is just another brand of Socialism that focuses on race, is anti semetic and has a whole bat crap crazy pagan religion bullcrap thrown in as well. At which point, I can just list them off as branches of the broader tree of Socialism, say that whole entire tree is bad, and say that I don't want anything to do with any of it.
Reject Socialism and all it's forms, embrace Liberty.
So... is state capitalism considered left-wing to you?
by Pasong Tirad » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:09 pm
by Pangurstan » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:10 pm
Sordhau wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:I really hope the people who answered "fascism" are joking.
Liberals will do everything in their power to hamfistedly draw a connection between Fascism and the Left that doesn't exist just so say they can justify subscribing to the asinine horseshoe theory which has long since been dismissed by credible political scientists. Just another example of them projecting their long and storied history of Fascist collaboration onto the Left.
by Rusticus I Damianus » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:11 pm
by Diarcesia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:13 pm
Rusticus I Damianus wrote:What qualifies as Left Wing?
When the wing is on the left side of the bird, bug, bat, aircraft, etc.
by Technoscience Leftwing » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:19 pm
Sordhau wrote:Technoscience Leftwing wrote:
The clergy led a terrorist policy against dissidents for 800 years, creating the Inquisition for this. Because it knew perfectly well that the class struggle was hidden under the religious shell. The fighters on the other side of the barricades also knew this - the Jacobins and the Bolsheviks, who drowned priests in barges and replaced church holidays with "festivals of reason" or anti-clerical demonstrations. However, the Jacobins and the Bolsheviks fought only against the churchmen as hired agitators of the ruling classes - and not against the personal faith of the citizens, which, under a secular state, was declared a private matter.
It isn't a private matter when you're fucking shooting priests and demolishing churches.
The church might not have done itself any favors by aligning with oppressive states, but liquidizing the clergy while seizing temples to turn into ammunition dumps is a disproportionate reaction.
by Tangatarehua » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:21 pm
Rusticus I Damianus wrote:What qualifies as Left Wing?
When the wing is on the left side of the bird, bug, bat, aircraft, etc.
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by Pangurstan » Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:21 pm
Technoscience Leftwing wrote:Sordhau wrote:
It isn't a private matter when you're fucking shooting priests and demolishing churches.
The church might not have done itself any favors by aligning with oppressive states, but liquidizing the clergy while seizing temples to turn into ammunition dumps is a disproportionate reaction.
In response to reproaches about a "disproportionate reaction," Lenin, I remember, joked: "how do you determine the number of necessary and superfluous blows in a fight"? However, there have been experimental tests of a more tolerable course. For example, Emperor Constantine stopped the persecution against Christians - and immediately the churchmen demanded more. Under the next emperors, they no longer demanded equality, but totalitarian domination with persecution against atheists, believers of other faiths and heretics. Perhaps this was due to the backwardness of the ancient society? But we observe the same picture in modern society: little time has passed from Gorbachev's 1988 declaration of tolerance for the church, to its claims in the 2010s for dominance, with laws against "blasphemy" and with the penetration of its education system, the army, state apparatus. That is, concessions are perceived by the clerics as a weakness, and as a pretext to demand the commanding heights of the Middle Ages. Because they believe in the absolute truth of their doctrine, and the associated mores and social orders. If we do not want these medieval orders, we have to be vigilant and intolerant of the danger of their return.
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