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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:13 am

Shrillland wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Can you point out the party that advocates for both?


Well, there's the Libertarians....


That is true. Even the angry ones my way argue for both.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:16 am

The Grand World Order wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And if they rule how I think they will this country will cease to be a democracy.


I'm sure that this is a rational and accurate statement and not hyperbolic nonsense in any way ("not a democracy but a republic" pedantic aside.)


Its not hyperbolic.

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:16 am

i just figured out a really easy way for president trump to finally end american democracy and have the patriots take full control and end all deep state cabalist threats to liberty and freedom. when election year comes, announce full 100% tax breaks on all citizens, mention the cancellation of the election in one sentence, then go right back to talking about the tax breaks. everyone will be too distracted with the tax breaks to even think about voting, and the patriots will gain their final victory against the corrupt socialist establishment
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Postby The Dank Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:17 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And if they rule how I think they will this country will cease to be a democracy.

This nation has already ceased to be a democracy and it is not due to Republicans and President Trump.

Right, it’s because of Republicans and President Reagan
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:17 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:i just figured out a really easy way for president trump to finally end american democracy and have the patriots take full control and end all deep state cabalist threats to liberty and freedom. when election year comes, announce full 100% tax breaks on all citizens, mention the cancellation of the election in one sentence, then go right back to talking about the tax breaks. everyone will be too distracted with the tax breaks to even think about voting, and the patriots will gain their final victory against the corrupt socialist establishment


No.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:18 am

The Dank Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:This nation has already ceased to be a democracy and it is not due to Republicans and President Trump.

Right, it’s because of Republicans and President Reagan


*Cries in John B. Anderson supporter*

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:18 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:i just figured out a really easy way for president trump to finally end american democracy and have the patriots take full control and end all deep state cabalist threats to liberty and freedom. when election year comes, announce full 100% tax breaks on all citizens, mention the cancellation of the election in one sentence, then go right back to talking about the tax breaks. everyone will be too distracted with the tax breaks to even think about voting, and the patriots will gain their final victory against the corrupt socialist establishment

As a Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis supporter and Ronald Reagan supporter, I like your 100 % tax break idea for all citizens.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:20 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:i just figured out a really easy way for president trump to finally end american democracy and have the patriots take full control and end all deep state cabalist threats to liberty and freedom. when election year comes, announce full 100% tax breaks on all citizens, mention the cancellation of the election in one sentence, then go right back to talking about the tax breaks. everyone will be too distracted with the tax breaks to even think about voting, and the patriots will gain their final victory against the corrupt socialist establishment


The sad thing?…..I know people who would support that scenerio.

Still. You did get a chuckle from me.
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* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:22 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:i just figured out a really easy way for president trump to finally end american democracy and have the patriots take full control and end all deep state cabalist threats to liberty and freedom. when election year comes, announce full 100% tax breaks on all citizens, mention the cancellation of the election in one sentence, then go right back to talking about the tax breaks. everyone will be too distracted with the tax breaks to even think about voting, and the patriots will gain their final victory against the corrupt socialist establishment

As a Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis supporter and Ronald Reagan supporter, I like your 100 % tax break idea for all citizens.


Ending democracy is bad actually.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:23 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ending democracy is bad actually.


I think you are assuming he thinks that…..
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:25 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ending democracy is bad actually.


I think you are assuming he thinks that…..


I would like to think somebody who left an authoritarian regime would know better.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:26 am

Shrillland wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Can you point out the party that advocates for both?


Well, there's the Libertarians....


Ignoring the fact that the Libertarian party brings their own unique cans of worms to the table, California's primary system prevents them from being an option anyhow.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:27 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:As a Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis supporter and Ronald Reagan supporter, I like your 100 % tax break idea for all citizens.


Ending democracy is bad actually.


Debatable.

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Postby The Dank Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:28 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I think you are assuming he thinks that…..


I would like to think somebody who left an authoritarian regime would know better.

This one would be a capitalist authoritarian regime that would let him run his plantation without giving a damn about workers rights, so it’s a-okay in his book
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Mark me down as "making fun of everyone and the kitchen sink", please.
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Well that's just mean. What did the sink ever do to anybody?

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Rusozak » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:28 am

American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ending democracy is bad actually.


Debatable.


On what grounds, precisely?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:29 am

American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ending democracy is bad actually.


Debatable.


Voting rights = Gun rights

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:30 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Debatable.


Voting rights = Gun rights


Verifiably untrue.

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Postby The Dank Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:31 am

Rusozak wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Debatable.


On what grounds, precisely?

Easier to keep your guns when other people can’t vote for politicians who’d support gun control
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Tarsonis wrote:
The Selkie wrote:
Mark me down as "making fun of everyone and the kitchen sink", please.
[...]

Well that's just mean. What did the sink ever do to anybody?

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:33 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:As a Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis supporter and Ronald Reagan supporter, I like your 100 % tax break idea for all citizens.


Ending democracy is bad actually.

GMS: I strongly agree and the Leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media are destroying the Democracy of the USA, with their Hateful, undemocratic, arrogant and intolerant comments, calling us, Pro Republicans, Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan supporters, Evil Fascist Nazis, they don't respect the Democratic rights of American Patriot, Nationalist Citizens of the USA who think differently than they do.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:34 am

The Dank Republic wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I would like to think somebody who left an authoritarian regime would know better.

This one would be a capitalist authoritarian regime that would let him run his plantation without giving a damn about workers rights, so it’s a-okay in his book


I know.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:36 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ending democracy is bad actually.

GMS: I strongly agree and the Leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media are destroying the Democracy of the USA, with their Hateful, undemocratic, arrogant and intolerant comments, calling us, Pro Republicans, Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan supporters, Evil Fascist Nazis, they don't respect the Democratic rights of American Patriot Citizens of the USA who think differently than they do.


Those proposed tax breaks would be a cover up for installing Donald Trump as president for life, though.

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Postby The Dank Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:36 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ending democracy is bad actually.

GMS: I strongly agree and the Leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media are destroying the Democracy of the USA, with their Hateful, undemocratic, arrogant and intolerant comments, calling us, Pro Republicans, Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan supporters, Evil Fascist Nazis, they don't respect the Democratic rights of American Patriot Citizens of the USA who think differently than they do.

The Democrats are simply exercising their own democratic right to call you out on your bullshit
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Tarsonis wrote:
The Selkie wrote:
Mark me down as "making fun of everyone and the kitchen sink", please.
[...]

Well that's just mean. What did the sink ever do to anybody?

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:37 am

The Dank Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:This nation has already ceased to be a democracy and it is not due to Republicans and President Trump.

Right, it’s because of Republicans and President Reagan

The two-party status quo is holding steady, so I'd say we haven't fallen yet.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:37 am

Ifreann wrote:My favourite part of this post is about how all the things you cite to demonstrate a slippery slope didn't happen.


Oh, the NFA (1934) didn't happen?
And then the FFA (1938)?
And then the GCA (1968)?
And then the Hughes amendment (1986)?
And then the AWB (1994) which fortunately died?
And now the attempts to revive AWB, the whole "the 2A means the National Guard" nonsense?

It's good to know that I won't have my house raided by federal agents if I drill some funny holes in my rifles, and that my FFL dealer was just joshing around when I tried ordering some 20rd mags and he told me they're illegal where I live. Clearly, I've been victimized by misinformation and some good pranking.

Are you also holding that pride parades don't happen, this dude doesn't teach kids (admittedly from our neighbors to the north,) we don't actively try to integrate drag queens into childhood education and programming, and our legislatures haven't attempted to legally require compliance with the pronoun circus?

None of that happened?

I'll at least admit Reagan deserves a ton of criticism regarding his trampling of gun rights, but it's absolutely disingenuous to suggest gun control activists have not continuously been chipping away at 2A rights.
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Postby Elwher » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:42 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:As a Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis supporter and Ronald Reagan supporter, I like your 100 % tax break idea for all citizens.


Ending democracy is bad actually.


Can you end something that never truly existed? Notwithstanding the inevitable republic vs democracy debate, have we ever really had a democratic form of government?
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