American Politics XV: Trump and '24 Already....

[San Lumen]

What system should we have instead?

Mutually beneficial and consensual interactions with each other should the basis of whatever system comes next. But if I don't consent to someone's sinful behaviors, and someone doesn't consent to my religious based intolerance, why should we be forced to work together? Or why should one of us get to decide what the other is able to do and believe? Is that really a just system?

What system should we therefore have? A monarch where only your side gets to decide what is right for everyone?

[The Black Forrest]

So you want me to have no rights so you can have unlimited access to your pet item?

Turnabout is fair play, or so I've heard.

Rather childish. Still that seems to be the way these days.

[American Legionaries]

Turnabout is fair play, or so I've heard.

Rather childish. Still that seems to be the way these days.

Children are generally unfair, though.

[The Black Forrest]

They are totally out of touch and states should start openly defying them.

That's called an independent judiciary, my dude.

Independent? Now that’s funny.

[The Black Forrest]

Rather childish. Still that seems to be the way these days.

Children are generally unfair, though.

That is true and yet I have seen children handle conflict far superior then the adults.

[American Legionaries]

Children are generally unfair, though.

That is true and yet I have seen children handle conflict far superior then the adults.

Not likely.

[Sutalia]

Earn your victories in the legislature, not the courts.

How will we do that when the Supreme Court kills democracy next year and ends the possibly of a Democratic president for decades to come?

Why should LGBT people have full rights in one state but not another?

You misunderstand. The court's job is not to make laws but interpret them. The Supreme Court's more controversial liberal decisions stretched interpretation of the law very thin.
Also, how is democracy going to be ended by the court?

[The Black Forrest]

That is true and yet I have seen children handle conflict far superior then the adults.

Not likely.

Actually yes.

Look at your argument. “Why should I support gay rights when I can’t have any gun ever made?”

Nothing will come from that.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

im surprised tbh that i haven't been radicalised into a frothing neonazi by watching this thread...

[The Black Forrest]

How will we do that when the Supreme Court kills democracy next year and ends the possibly of a Democratic president for decades to come?

Why should LGBT people have full rights in one state but not another?

You misunderstand. The court's job is not to make laws but interpret them. The Supreme Court's more controversial liberal decisions stretched interpretation of the law very thin.
Also, how is democracy going to be ended by the court?

Well? When the legislature fails what else is left?

Even now. SCOTUS is lopsided as fuck and yet that is viewed as “correcting the wrongs of the past”

Ideologues are a problem these days.

[American Legionaries]

Not likely.

Actually yes.

Look at your argument. “Why should I support gay rights when I can’t have any gun ever made?”

Nothing will come from that.

Can you point out the party that advocates for both?

[The Black Forrest]

im surprised tbh that i haven't been radicalised into a frothing neonazi by watching this thread...

How long have you been here?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

im surprised tbh that i haven't been radicalised into a frothing neonazi by watching this thread...

How long have you been here?

since MAGA Thread 1 lol

[The Black Forrest]

Actually yes.

Look at your argument. “Why should I support gay rights when I can’t have any gun ever made?”

Nothing will come from that.

Can you point out the party that advocates for both?

I was talking about you not whataboutism.

[Shrillland]

Actually yes.

Look at your argument. “Why should I support gay rights when I can’t have any gun ever made?”

Nothing will come from that.

Can you point out the party that advocates for both?

Well, there's the Libertarians....

[The Black Forrest]

How long have you been here?

since MAGA Thread 1 lol

Welllllll. You still have the ability to validate political talk and claims. When you start taking the politicians words and claims as the truth…..you are there.

[The Dank Republic]

im surprised tbh that i haven't been radicalised into a frothing neonazi by watching this thread...

Oh just give it time, you’ll be one of them before you know it

[Shrillland]

Actually yes.

Look at your argument. “Why should I support gay rights when I can’t have any gun ever made?”

Nothing will come from that.

Can you point out the party that advocates for both?

Well, there's the Libertarians....

[San Lumen]

How will we do that when the Supreme Court kills democracy next year and ends the possibly of a Democratic president for decades to come?

Why should LGBT people have full rights in one state but not another?

You misunderstand. The court's job is not to make laws but interpret them. The Supreme Court's more controversial liberal decisions stretched interpretation of the law very thin.
Also, how is democracy going to be ended by the court?

Moore v Harper which involves the utter insanity and nonsense that is independent state legislature theory. Republican state legislatures would be able to appoint alternate electors if they don’t like the outcome of an election or declare any law they want on voting and the governor can’t veto it.

[Shrillland]

You misunderstand. The court's job is not to make laws but interpret them. The Supreme Court's more controversial liberal decisions stretched interpretation of the law very thin.
Also, how is democracy going to be ended by the court?

Moore v Harper which involves the utter insanity and nonsense that is independent state legislature theory. Republican state legislatures would be able to appoint alternate electors if they don’t like the outcome of an election or declare any law they want on voting and the governor can’t veto it.

That's not next year, that's next month. We're set to get a result on that sometime in early December.

[American Legionaries]

Can you point out the party that advocates for both?

I was talking about you not whataboutism.

Yes, you accused me of being childish for advocating the correct interests of the American people. I'm just trying to unpack why you think moral integrity and civic duty are things only a child would have.

[San Lumen]

Moore v Harper which involves the utter insanity and nonsense that is independent state legislature theory. Republican state legislatures would be able to appoint alternate electors if they don’t like the outcome of an election or declare any law they want on voting and the governor can’t veto it.

That's not next year, that's next month. We're set to get a result on that sometime in early December.

And if they rule how I think they will this country will cease to be a democracy.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

That's not next year, that's next month. We're set to get a result on that sometime in early December.

And if they rule how I think they will this country will cease to be a democracy.

This nation has already ceased to be a democracy and it is not due to Republicans and President Trump.

[The Grand World Order]

And if they rule how I think they will this country will cease to be a democracy.

I'm sure that this is a rational and accurate statement and not hyperbolic nonsense in any way ("not a democracy but a republic" pedantic aside.)

[Ifreann]

And when the court kills democracy next year and repeals same sex marriage and adoption at some point you'll be jumping for joy as your dream of a one party state will become reality.

That's particularly rich coming from someone who advocates barring duly elected leaders from office because they're not cool progressivist club members. If you want to kill people's choice out of self interest, that's fine, just don't chastise others for adopting similar outlooks.

I've noticed this brand of histrionics that progressives employ when they don't get their way on things. It's not them losing a legislative battle, it's "the end of democracy!" or "Conservatives are sewing division across the land!" until they get everything. Gun control's a particularly good demonstrator of this, where every five to ten years or so, progressives fire up their teary anime eyes and go "let's compromise? Pwease uwu you get to keep the rest of your gun rights just compromise with us on this" only to repeat the whole thing a little while later. LGBTQ stuff is another example of the progressivist slippery slope, where it went from "who cares what people do in the privacy of their home, love is love" to "you must be OK with us bringing our bedroom into the streets and your kids' school, also if you fuck up my pronouns I'll have your entire life ruined." They truly never stop coming, and if you try to oppose it, you're a neo-nazi bigot who is "causing division," "killing democracy," et cetera.

My favourite part of this post is about how all the things you cite to demonstrate a slippery slope didn't happen.