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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:43 pm

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It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.

Why am I unconvinced that they would have listened?

If a gaggle of several hundred insurrectionists will not listen to their headhoncho while they headhunt for Mike Pence, they will listen when the DCNG shows up at bayonet point. Who commanded the DCNG to not intervene?

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:46 pm

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What would it take for a president to be impeachable?

Something like what Nixon did maybe. It would have to be either beyond a reasonable doubt that he knowingly violated the constitution, or beyond a reasonable doubt that he knowingly committed an act of treachery.
I would think gleefully watching an attack on the US government and constitution, which you swore an oath to protect, would be the least controversial reason to impeach.

He did speak out against it, at a point where they would actually listen to what he's saying.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:47 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Does djt really need to stand in the Speaker's seat with a pipebomb for the relic of a justice system you got over there to do something?

That wouldn't be enough either. He's already committed obvious crimes which we know of the evidence for and most of the country thinks he shouldn't be prosecuted. He is literally above the law.


Not just Trump but the President. if Trump is not prosecuted it will be established the President is above the law and not a single thing they do in office can ever grounds for charges.

If inciting an insurrection was not enough to convict a President nothing is.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:47 pm

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Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:As I always say, in Politics everything works both ways. But You guys don't criticize the Leftist Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and the Leftist Media, for calling Trump and us Republicans a threat to democracy, Fascist Nazis and Evil Fascist Nazis. It has become an anti Trump, anti Ron DeSantis and anti Republican, Democrat Talking Point that Trump and us Republicans are threat to democracy and Fascist Nazis. I recently had an argument with a leftist on NS, where he was claiming we are Fascist Nazis, he learned it from Biden, Charlie Crist, Democrat VIPs and the Leftist Media, which you guys don't criticize them for.

Who's "you guys?" I'm the one you quoted, and since I am a republican I doubt that I ever claimed most of us are fascists.

You quoted me and said, Has it occurred to you that this may not be a good defense for the Rightist Republican Politicians, Trump, Zeldin, MTG, and the rightest Media saying equally outrageous things about the democrats? So to make my post clear I should have said, yes it has occurred to me, like I always say, in Politics everything works both ways and my other comments. You guys, are the Leftist Liberal Democrat Progressives, Real Leftists as Therm calls them and anti Trumpers. At least you are a fellow Republican who agrees with me and us Republicans, the Leftist Democrats Jan 6 Committee is an anti Trump Political Kangaroo Court.
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Postby Celritannia » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:47 pm

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Because the Democrats didn't try to storm the US Capitol and change a democratic vote and threaten the Constitution.


It'd be a lot cooler if they did, tbh.


That would have caused a state of emergency. The National Guard would have then actually had to step in.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:48 pm

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It'd be a lot cooler if they did, tbh.


That would have caused a state of emergency. The National Guard would have then actually had to step in.

Anybody remember the Bonus Army?

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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:50 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Does djt really need to stand in the Speaker's seat with a pipebomb for the relic of a justice system you got over there to do something?

That wouldn't be enough either. He's already committed obvious crimes which we know of the evidence for and most of the country thinks he shouldn't be prosecuted. He is literally above the law.


Presidents have been functionally above the law for a minute, this isn't new news.
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Postby Loeje » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:50 pm

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Loeje wrote:That wouldn't be enough either. He's already committed obvious crimes which we know of the evidence for and most of the country thinks he shouldn't be prosecuted. He is literally above the law.


Not just Trump but the President. if Trump is not prosecuted it will be established the President is above the law and not a single thing they do in office can ever grounds for charges.

If inciting an insurrection was not enough to convict a President nothing is.

It's not just what they do in office. People are defending him stealing classified documents, too. Trump is seen as above the law because he's Trump. Legally, he's a normal person, but in reality, he's not.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:51 pm

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Not just Trump but the President. if Trump is not prosecuted it will be established the President is above the law and not a single thing they do in office can ever grounds for charges.

If inciting an insurrection was not enough to convict a President nothing is.

It's not just what they do in office. People are defending him stealing classified documents, too. Trump is seen as above the law because he's Trump. Legally, he's a normal person, but in reality, he's not.


But if you or I did that we'd already be in prison.

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Postby Loeje » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:01 pm

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Loeje wrote:It's not just what they do in office. People are defending him stealing classified documents, too. Trump is seen as above the law because he's Trump. Legally, he's a normal person, but in reality, he's not.


But if you or I did that we'd already be in prison.

Yes. That's the problem with Trump at this point. He's not president anymore, but he's not treated like an ordinary citizen and most Americans are totally fine with that.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loeje wrote:It's not just what they do in office. People are defending him stealing classified documents, too. Trump is seen as above the law because he's Trump. Legally, he's a normal person, but in reality, he's not.


But if you or I did that we'd already be in prison.


Or if we repeatedly violated traffic laws, like Grant... or perjured ourselves, like Clinton... or if we conspired to commit burglary, like Nixon... or if we murdered a man and his family, like Obama...

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:10 pm

The good news, Republicans to Investigate FBI Coordination with Big Tech, the bad news, the FBI will deny it and lie about it while it got away with it, this is also against President Trump. The so called mainstream media and most social medias are part of the Leftist Media.

Representative Mike Turner (R-OH) said on this week’s broadcast of FNC’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” House Republicans plan to use oversight to investigate possible coordination between the FBI and social media companies.

Turner said, “While we pursue intelligence community to try to hold them accountable, while we’re doing that, Elon Musk is showing what’s happening on the other side with the willing partners, the mainstream media, social media and really exposing coordination that was occurring between the FBI and them. Now, it is my understanding from our contacts that we have at the FBI that there are secret files that the FBI has of these contacts they were having with social media and with mainstream media. And it has been our objective to get ahold of those files to see the extent of this so we can stop it, we can cut off the funding and prevent. Obviously, average Americans are being impacted by FBI actions. They have been resistant to this point, and we certainly intend to pursue subpoena power to expose the extent to which the FBI has been doing this.”

Anchor Maria Bartiromo asked, “So you have already then put a request out there for documents from the FBI? Is that what you’re saying?”
Turner said, “Absolutely. The FBI had, under the cover of saying that they were pursuing foreign malign influence, had really exploded into activities that involved engaging with mainstream media and social media and really impacting what is the normal debate of democracy. Now, what’s very troubling here, in my opinion, this was not based on intelligence.”

He added, “I believe in the end we will find there’s no intelligence that supports the FBI doing this, that this is a campaign by the FBI that really is outside of the bounds of anything we would expect them to do and certainly very constitutionally troubling.”

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:13 pm

What's more objectionable? A Russian pundit on Russian TV baying for Ukrainian blood... or Breitbart?

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:15 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What's more objectionable? A Russian pundit on Russian TV baying for Ukrainian blood... or Breitbart?


Both, but the Russian craving blood is worse.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:24 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What's more objectionable? A Russian pundit on Russian TV baying for Ukrainian blood... or Breitbart?

A Russian and Cuban Pundit on Russian TV and Cuban TV. Breitbart is a respectable, respected, reliable news source with substance.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:26 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What's more objectionable? A Russian pundit on Russian TV baying for Ukrainian blood... or Breitbart?

A Russian and Cuban Pundit on Russian TV and Cuban TV. Breitbart is a respectable, respected, reliable news source with substance.

May it snow on you on the last day of June by the grace of the Lord in Heaven.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:27 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What's more objectionable? A Russian pundit on Russian TV baying for Ukrainian blood... or Breitbart?

A Russian and Cuban Pundit on Russian TV and Cuban TV. Breitbart is a respectable, respected, reliable news source with substance.


No its not. It's utter trash and filled with outright lies but due to your constant reading of it its why you continue to deny what is fact and believe your your own version of reality.
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Postby Celritannia » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:27 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What's more objectionable? A Russian pundit on Russian TV baying for Ukrainian blood... or Breitbart?

A Russian and Cuban Pundit on Russian TV and Cuban TV. Breitbart is a respectable, respected, reliable news source with substance.


No, it is not. It is not credited by any independent journalist watchdog.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:29 pm

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Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:A Russian and Cuban Pundit on Russian TV and Cuban TV. Breitbart is a respectable, respected, reliable news source with substance.


No, it is not. It is not credited by any independent journalist watchdog.

It is credible to me and most Republicans, American citizens of the USA, this is what matters to me and us, this is what counts to me and us, your leftist anti Breitbart opinions do not count with me and us, these are Facts.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:32 pm

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No, it is not. It is not credited by any independent journalist watchdog.

It is credible to me and most Republicans, American citizens of the USA, this is what matters to me and us, this is what counts to me and us, your leftist anti Twitter opinions do not count with me and us, these are Facts.



It’a time to the leave the Matrix.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:34 pm

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Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:It is credible to me and most Republicans, American citizens of the USA, this is what matters to me and us, this is what counts to me and us, your leftist anti Twitter opinions do not count with me and us, these are Facts.



It’a time to the leave the Matrix.

I am sure you have your favorite medias that agrees with your world views.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:38 pm

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It’a time to the leave the Matrix.

I am sure you have your favorite medias that agrees with your world views.


As easy it would be to follow Salon, Jacobin, or Mother Jones (I can’t mostly because I’m not buying a subscription, and these are the closest things I can think of that align with my ideology) I don’t. I generally try to stick to Reuters or The Hill. They are generally seen as center or at the very least don’t openly embrace a side.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:39 pm

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No, it is not. It is not credited by any independent journalist watchdog.

It is credible to me and most Republicans, American citizens of the USA, this is what matters to me and us, this is what counts to me and us, your leftist anti Breitbart opinions do not count with me and us, these are Facts.


Facts and opinions are two different things but you’re completely incapable of understanding that. Anything that contradicts the reality your trash sources you dismiss as opinion.

My main source is ABC and CBS and occasionally AP. They are reliable and don’t report hoaxes and misinformation.
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Postby Celritannia » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:39 pm

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Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:It is credible to me and most Republicans, American citizens of the USA, this is what matters to me and us, this is what counts to me and us, your leftist anti Twitter opinions do not count with me and us, these are Facts.



It’a time to the leave the Matrix.


Do you understand what "independent" means? It means it supports no political party. Independent journalism watchdogs rank every news outlet.
Breitbart News is not journalistic at all, it is an opinion piece.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:45 pm

Celritannia wrote:
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It’a time to the leave the Matrix.


Do you understand what "independent" means? It means it supports no political party. Independent journalism watchdogs rank every news outlet.
Breitbart News is not journalistic at all, it is an opinion piece.


I think this was meant for GMS, but if it wasn’t, Yes I know what independent means.

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