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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:57 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Protest Peacefully and Patriotically, the Trump Rally was to support and persuade Republican Politicians to challenge the certified electoral votes of certain states legally, like certain Democrat leftists challenged the certified electoral votes of certain states against President Trump and other Republicans in the past, using the same and or similar words that certain Republicans used in favor of President Trump. But you guys don't criticize them for doing the same. I have posted about this with video links in the past. The Leftist Democrat Hypocrites anti Trump Political kangaroo court includes at least 2 anti Trump election deniers and you guys don't criticize them for it. There have been and their will be Democrat election loss deniers and claimers due to alleged election vote fraud in the USA in the future, it is part of politics in the USA and other nations. All American citizens have a right to challenge election results if they think there has been vote fraud. The Leftist Democrats most famous election loss denier Hypocrite is Stacey Abrams and you guys don't criticize her for it, and what do you think many Leftist Democrat Politicians, Biden, Charly Crist, VIPs and the Leftist Media says about Republicans? Something something, Evil Trump, Evil Republicans, a threat to Democracy and Evil Fascist Nazis, which we are not.
So, I guess your going to deny (or justify / downplay) Jan 6th and Unite The Right never happened!?
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:59 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Protest Peacefully and Patriotically, the Trump Rally was to support and persuade Republican Politicians to challenge the certified electoral votes of certain states legally, like certain Democrat leftists challenged the certified electoral votes of certain states against President Trump and other Republicans in the past, using the same and or similar words that certain Republicans used in favor of President Trump. But you guys don't criticize them for doing the same. I have posted about this with video links in the past. The Leftist Democrat Hypocrites anti Trump Political kangaroo court includes at least 2 anti Trump election deniers and you guys don't criticize them for it. There have been and their will be Democrat election loss deniers and claimers due to alleged election vote fraud in the USA in the future, it is part of politics in the USA and other nations. All American citizens have a right to challenge election results if they think there has been vote fraud. The Leftist Democrats most famous election loss denier Hypocrite is Stacey Abrams and you guys don't criticize her for it.


Nobody said it was illegal to challenge election results, they just said it’s dumb. It is illegal to be complicit in inciting a riot and illegal activities.

Also I did not mention anything about Democrats or Stacey Abrams, and yes it is just as dumb for them to challenge results too.

Trump didn't incite a riot, or if he did it wasn't knowingly. He was sore losing all right but he never told them to start the violence. In fact he wasn't even there when the riot happened. He was too busy giving his sore losing speech while all this was starting.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:59 am

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Protest Peacefully and Patriotically, the Trump Rally was to support and persuade Republican Politicians to challenge the certified electoral votes of certain states legally, like certain Democrat leftists challenged the certified electoral votes of certain states against President Trump and other Republicans in the past, using the same and or similar words that certain Republicans used in favor of President Trump. But you guys don't criticize them for doing the same. I have posted about this with video links in the past. The Leftist Democrat Hypocrites anti Trump Political kangaroo court includes at least 2 anti Trump election deniers and you guys don't criticize them for it. There have been and their will be Democrat election loss deniers and claimers due to alleged election vote fraud in the USA in the future, it is part of politics in the USA and other nations. All American citizens have a right to challenge election results if they think there has been vote fraud. The Leftist Democrats most famous election loss denier Hypocrite is Stacey Abrams and you guys don't criticize her for it, and what do you think many Leftist Democrat Politicians, Biden, Charly Crist, VIPs and the Leftist Media says about Republicans? Something something, Evil Trump, Evil Republicans, a threat to Democracy and Evil Fascist Nazis, which we are not.
So, I guess your going to deny, justify, or downplay Jan 6th and Unite The Right never happened!?

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:04 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:quote="The Jamesian Republic";p="40198551"]
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Protest Peacefully and Patriotically, the Trump Rally was to support and persuade Republican Politicians to challenge the certified electoral votes of certain states legally, like certain Democrat leftists challenged the certified electoral votes of certain states against President Trump and other Republicans in the past, using the same and or similar words that certain Republicans used in favor of President Trump. But you guys don't criticize them for doing the same. I have posted about this with video links in the past. The Leftist Democrat Hypocrites anti Trump Political kangaroo court includes at least 2 anti Trump election deniers and you guys don't criticize them for it. There have been and their will be Democrat election loss deniers and claimers due to alleged election vote fraud in the USA in the future, it is part of politics in the USA and other nations. All American citizens have a right to challenge election results if they think there has been vote fraud. The Leftist Democrats most famous election loss denier Hypocrite is Stacey Abrams and you guys don't criticize her for it.


Nobody said it was illegal to challenge election results, they just said it’s dumb. It is illegal to be complicit in inciting a riot and illegal activities.

Also I did not mention anything about Democrats or Stacey Abrams, and yes it is just as dumb for them to challenge results too.

Trump didn't incite a riot, or if he did it wasn't knowingly. He was sore losing all right but he never told them to start the violence. In fact he wasn't even there when the riot happened. He was too busy giving his sore losing speech while all this was starting.[/quote]
At least you agree with me and most Republicans, the Leftist Democrats Jan 6 Committee is an anti Trump Political Kangaroo Court. You disagree with me on the FBI, but as I pointed out the FBI has been anti Trump and anti right wing Republicans for years, as Elon Musk proved on Twitter, the anti Trump Russian collusion, spying on Trump and so on, while there is nothing there.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:05 pm

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Nobody said it was illegal to challenge election results, they just said it’s dumb. It is illegal to be complicit in inciting a riot and illegal activities.

Also I did not mention anything about Democrats or Stacey Abrams, and yes it is just as dumb for them to challenge results too.

Trump didn't incite a riot, or if he did it wasn't knowingly. He was sore losing all right but he never told them to start the violence. In fact he wasn't even there when the riot happened. He was too busy giving his sore losing speech while all this was starting.


And he waited for hours to say something to stop them, and wasn’t very cooperative with efforts to stop them.

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:06 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Protest Peacefully and Patriotically, the Trump Rally was to support and persuade Republican Politicians to challenge the certified electoral votes of certain states legally, like certain Democrat leftists challenged the certified electoral votes of certain states against President Trump and other Republicans in the past, using the same and or similar words that certain Republicans used in favor of President Trump. But you guys don't criticize them for doing the same. I have posted about this with video links in the past. The Leftist Democrat Hypocrites anti Trump Political kangaroo court includes at least 2 anti Trump election deniers and you guys don't criticize them for it. There have been and their will be Democrat election loss deniers and claimers due to alleged election vote fraud in the USA in the future, it is part of politics in the USA and other nations. All American citizens have a right to challenge election results if they think there has been vote fraud. The Leftist Democrats most famous election loss denier Hypocrite is Stacey Abrams and you guys don't criticize her for it, and what do you think many Leftist Democrat Politicians, Biden, Charly Crist, VIPs and the Leftist Media says about Republicans? Something something, Evil Trump, Evil Republicans, a threat to Democracy and Evil Fascist Nazis, which we are not.
So, I guess your going to deny, justify, or downplay Jan 6th and Unite The Right never happened!?

I love it. The source you have mentions that in his 'late' response he said "we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides." As well as the fact that Trump did not overtly call on his supporters to use violence or enter the Capitol,[218] but his speech was filled with violent imagery[219] and Trump suggested that his supporters had the power to prevent Biden from taking office.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:08 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:So, I guess your going to deny, justify, or downplay Jan 6th and Unite The Right never happened!?

I love it. The source you have mentions that in his 'late' response he said "we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides." As well as the fact that Trump did not overtly call on his supporters to use violence or enter the Capitol,[218] but his speech was filled with violent imagery[219] and Trump suggested that his supporters had the power to prevent Biden from taking office.

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:08 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Trump didn't incite a riot, or if he did it wasn't knowingly. He was sore losing all right but he never told them to start the violence. In fact he wasn't even there when the riot happened. He was too busy giving his sore losing speech while all this was starting.


And he waited for hours to say something to stop them, and wasn’t very cooperative with efforts to stop them.

Tardyness... how impeachable.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:09 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:I love it. The source you have mentions that in his 'late' response he said "we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides." As well as the fact that Trump did not overtly call on his supporters to use violence or enter the Capitol,[218] but his speech was filled with violent imagery[219] and Trump suggested that his supporters had the power to prevent Biden from taking office.

When you cite wikipedia (with unintended consequences), please remove the numbers...

My bad, I got lazy.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:12 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Protest Peacefully and Patriotically, the Trump Rally was to support and persuade Republican Politicians to challenge the certified electoral votes of certain states legally, like certain Democrat leftists challenged the certified electoral votes of certain states against President Trump and other Republicans in the past, using the same and or similar words that certain Republicans used in favor of President Trump. But you guys don't criticize them for doing the same. I have posted about this with video links in the past. The Leftist Democrat Hypocrites anti Trump Political kangaroo court includes at least 2 anti Trump election deniers and you guys don't criticize them for it. There have been and their will be Democrat election loss deniers and claimers due to alleged election vote fraud in the USA in the future, it is part of politics in the USA and other nations. All American citizens have a right to challenge election results if they think there has been vote fraud. The Leftist Democrats most famous election loss denier Hypocrite is Stacey Abrams and you guys don't criticize her for it, and what do you think many Leftist Democrat Politicians, Biden, Charly Crist, VIPs and the Leftist Media says about Republicans? Something something, Evil Trump, Evil Republicans, a threat to Democracy and Evil Fascist Nazis, which we are not.
So, I guess your going to deny, justify, or downplay Jan 6th and Unite The Right never happened!?

I GMS have always condemned the violence of the x numbers of right wingers at the Capitol Building, where President Trump said Protest Peacefully and Patriotically. I have condemned the violence of x numbers of leftist in Democrat run cities with Democrat Mayors, which certain Leftist on NS refused to condemn and supported them, LOL.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:12 pm

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And he waited for hours to say something to stop them, and wasn’t very cooperative with efforts to stop them.

Tardyness... how impeachable.


It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.

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Postby Featured Hopper » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:15 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Tardyness... how impeachable.


It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.


especially considering the position and authority of the person in question. me personally, i sat and watched it on tv
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Postby TheKeyToJoy » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:17 pm

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It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.


especially considering the position and authority of the person in question. me personally, i sat and watched it on tv

I didn’t know you’ll post lol.
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Postby Featured Hopper » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:17 pm

TheKeyToJoy wrote:
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especially considering the position and authority of the person in question. me personally, i sat and watched it on tv

I didn’t know you’ll post lol.


decided to try it out :)
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:33 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:and what do you think many Leftist Democrat Politicians, Biden, Charly Crist, VIPs and the Leftist Media says about Republicans? Something something, Evil Trump, Evil Republicans, a threat to Democracy and Evil Fascist Nazis, which we are not.

Has it occurred to you that this may not be a good defense for the Rightist Republican Politicians, Trump, Zeldin, MTG, and the rightest Media saying equally outrageous things about the democrats?

As I always say, in Politics everything works both ways. But You guys don't criticize the Leftist Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and the Leftist Media, for calling Trump and us Republicans a threat to democracy, Fascist Nazis and Evil Fascist Nazis. It has become an anti Trump, anti Ron DeSantis and anti Republican, Democrat Talking Point that Trump and us Republicans are threat to democracy and Fascist Nazis. I recently had an argument with a leftist on NS, where he was claiming we are Fascist Nazis, he learned it from Biden, Charlie Crist, Democrat VIPs and the Leftist Media, which you guys don't criticize them for.
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Postby Celritannia » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:36 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Has it occurred to you that this may not be a good defense for the Rightist Republican Politicians, Trump, Zeldin, MTG, and the rightest Media saying equally outrageous things about the democrats?

As I always say, in Politics everything works both ways. But You guys don't criticize the Leftist Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and the Leftist Media, for calling Trump and us Republicans a threat to democracy, Fascist Nazis and Evil Fascist Nazis. It has become an anti Trump, anti Ron DeSantis and anti Republican, Democrat Talking Point that Trump and us Republicans are threat to democracy and Fascist Nazis. I recently had an argument with a leftist on NS, where he was claiming we are Fascist Nazis, he learned it from Biden, Charlie Crist, Democrat VIPs and the Leftist Media, which you guys don't criticize them for.


Because the Democrats didn't try to storm the US Capitol and change a democratic vote and threaten the Constitution.

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:36 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Tardyness... how impeachable.


It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.

Why am I unconvinced that they would have listened? And assuming that they would have, why doesn't it seem impeachable or arrestable to me? And no, its not because I like him, I don't like him, I just don't believe in impeaching presidents just because they have different political opinions than me.
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Postby Loeje » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:38 pm

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:
It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.

Why am I unconvinced that they would have listened? And assuming that they would have, why doesn't it seem impeachable or arrestable to me? And no, its not because I like him, I don't like him, I just don't believe in impeaching presidents just because they have different political opinions than me.

What would it take for a president to be impeachable? I would think gleefully watching an attack on the US government and constitution, which you swore an oath to protect, would be the least controversial reason to impeach.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:39 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Has it occurred to you that this may not be a good defense for the Rightist Republican Politicians, Trump, Zeldin, MTG, and the rightest Media saying equally outrageous things about the democrats?

As I always say, in Politics everything works both ways. But You guys don't criticize the Leftist Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and the Leftist Media, for calling Trump and us Republicans a threat to democracy, Fascist Nazis and Evil Fascist Nazis. It has become an anti Trump, anti Ron DeSantis and anti Republican, Democrat Talking Point that Trump and us Republicans are threat to democracy and Fascist Nazis. I recently had an argument with a leftist on NS, where he was claiming we are Fascist Nazis, he learned it from Biden, Charlie Crist, Democrat VIPs and the Leftist Media, which you guys don't criticize them for.

Who's "you guys?" I'm the one you quoted, and since I am a republican I doubt that I ever claimed most of us are fascists.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:39 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.

Why am I unconvinced that they would have listened? And assuming that they would have, why doesn't it seem impeachable or arrestable to me? And no, its not because I like him, I don't like him, I just don't believe in impeaching presidents just because they have different political opinions than me.



I never said I wanted him impeached for being a Conservative…

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:40 pm

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:
It’s not tardiness. He had a duty to immediately step in and instead just watched the TV. This is recklessness. You don’t sit down and watch TV as violence unfolds you get to work then and there.

Why am I unconvinced that they would have listened?


A fair point - Trump supporters never actually listened to Trump. They supported their fantasy of him, not the real man.
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Does djt really need to stand in the Speaker's seat with a pipebomb for the relic of a justice system you got over there to do something?

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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:41 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:As I always say, in Politics everything works both ways. But You guys don't criticize the Leftist Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and the Leftist Media, for calling Trump and us Republicans a threat to democracy, Fascist Nazis and Evil Fascist Nazis. It has become an anti Trump, anti Ron DeSantis and anti Republican, Democrat Talking Point that Trump and us Republicans are threat to democracy and Fascist Nazis. I recently had an argument with a leftist on NS, where he was claiming we are Fascist Nazis, he learned it from Biden, Charlie Crist, Democrat VIPs and the Leftist Media, which you guys don't criticize them for.


Because the Democrats didn't try to storm the US Capitol and change a democratic vote and threaten the Constitution.


It'd be a lot cooler if they did, tbh.

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Postby Juristonia » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:42 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Does djt really need to stand in the Speaker's seat with a pipebomb for the relic of a justice system you got over there to do something?

Hey, that pipe bomb could be American made.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Does djt really need to stand in the Speaker's seat with a pipebomb for the relic of a justice system you got over there to do something?

That wouldn't be enough either. He's already committed obvious crimes which we know of the evidence for and most of the country thinks he shouldn't be prosecuted. He is literally above the law.
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