American Politics XV: Trump and '24 Already....

[San Lumen]

No they can't stop an investigation by the justice department.

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

And once that is done House Republicans can do nothing.

[Timsvill]

No they can't stop an investigation by the justice department.

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

Which I guess the House Dems are rushing to get this thing done before Republicans can stop it

[The Black Forrest]

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

And once that is done House Republicans can do nothing.

Ok. And?

[The Black Forrest]

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

Which I guess the House Dems are rushing to get this thing done before Republicans can stop it

Oh I think it would be guaranteed to be closed down if they didn’t. Even more so if McCarthy gets the speakership.

[American Legionaries]

No, because that would be stupid. The word has a meaning, and this meaning has been explained to you repeatedly.

Wrong is its a cop out phrase used for anyone who didn't do exactly as they said they would do while campaigning and did the horrible thing of working with fellow legislators.

No, it's a descriptive phrase for people who have connections to, and support from, politicians past and present who represent the current institutional inertia of the government bodies.

Its as if people want everyone to stick to their corners and refuse to work with anyone unless they get exactly what they want.

You're not wrong.

One legislator doesn't exist in a chamber of one. Mayor and Governors aren't kings or queens they have legislatures to work with.

I don't recall saying differently, or anyone else for that matter.

[San Lumen]

Wrong is its a cop out phrase used for anyone who didn't do exactly as they said they would do while campaigning and did the horrible thing of working with fellow legislators.

No, it's a descriptive phrase for people who have connections to, and support from, politicians past and present who represent the current institutional inertia of the government bodies.

Its as if people want everyone to stick to their corners and refuse to work with anyone unless they get exactly what they want.

You're not wrong.

One legislator doesn't exist in a chamber of one. Mayor and Governors aren't kings or queens they have legislatures to work with.

I don't recall saying differently, or anyone else for that matter.

Massive change doesn't happen overnight. You can propose anything you want it doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.

And if we did that absolutely nothing would get done.

No legislature is going to work with a governor who refuses to work with them and vetoes anything that isn't exactly what they campaigned on.

[American Legionaries]

No, it's a descriptive phrase for people who have connections to, and support from, politicians past and present who represent the current institutional inertia of the government bodies.



You're not wrong.



I don't recall saying differently, or anyone else for that matter.

Massive change doesn't happen overnight. You can propose anything you want it doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.

And if we did that absolutely nothing would get done.

No legislature is going to work with a governor who refuses to work with them and vetoes anything that isn't exactly what they campaigned on.

Okay, we're all well aware of your support for establishment politics. What of it?

[San Lumen]

Massive change doesn't happen overnight. You can propose anything you want it doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.

And if we did that absolutely nothing would get done.

No legislature is going to work with a governor who refuses to work with them and vetoes anything that isn't exactly what they campaigned on.

Okay, we're all well aware of your support for establishment politics. What of it?

I never said that.

If a mayor or Governor got into office and refused to work with the legislature vetoing everything that wasn't exactly what they wanted and constantly insulted the legislature they would not remain popular by a long shot.

What is accomplished by everyone sticking to their corners refusing to work together? How is congress, a state legislature or local council supposed to function or get anything done?

[American Legionaries]

Okay, we're all well aware of your support for establishment politics. What of it?

I never said that.

You demonstrate it constantly.

If a mayor or Governor got into office and refused to work with the legislature vetoing everything that wasn't exactly what they wanted and constantly insulted the legislature they would not remain popular by a long shot.

You do understand that not every American is you, right?

What is accomplished by everyone sticking to their corners refusing to work together? How is congress, a state legislature or local council supposed to function or get anything done?

They're not supposed to get anything done, that's the point.

[San Lumen]

I never said that.

You demonstrate it constantly.

If a mayor or Governor got into office and refused to work with the legislature vetoing everything that wasn't exactly what they wanted and constantly insulted the legislature they would not remain popular by a long shot.

You do understand that not every American is you, right?

What is accomplished by everyone sticking to their corners refusing to work together? How is congress, a state legislature or local council supposed to function or get anything done?

They're not supposed to get anything done, that's the point.

you honestly think such a person would remain in office for very long?

What is the point of government then? If they can't pass a budget it shuts down. You saw the effect of a government shutdown in late 2018 and 2019. Are you honestly saying you wanted that to go on indefinitely?

[American Legionaries]

You demonstrate it constantly.



You do understand that not every American is you, right?



They're not supposed to get anything done, that's the point.

you honestly think such a person would remain in office for very long?

What is the point of government then? If they can't pass a budget it shuts down. You saw the effect of a government shutdown in late 2018 and 2019. Are you honestly saying you wanted that to go on indefinitely?

The purpose of government is to protect people. The "shutdown" in 18-19 was anything but a shutdown. Many government functions continued to take place. So, no, I don't want the government to temporarily pretend to be shut down indefinitely.

[New-Minneapolis]

No they can't stop an investigation by the justice department.

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

The only thing that these criminal referrals are gonna result in is giving Trump a legal defense against his prosecution. These are fucking meaningless and without teeth.

[San Lumen]

you honestly think such a person would remain in office for very long?

What is the point of government then? If they can't pass a budget it shuts down. You saw the effect of a government shutdown in late 2018 and 2019. Are you honestly saying you wanted that to go on indefinitely?

The purpose of government is to protect people. The "shutdown" in 18-19 was anything but a shutdown. Many government functions continued to take place. So, no, I don't want the government to temporarily pretend to be shut down indefinitely.

Tell that to the people who work at national parks and the all damage that was done to them by people with no respect for them. tell that to those who worked without pay.

If you think it had no effect you are an in fantasy land.

And if the government can't pass a budget and can't agree on a resolution to end shutdown how is it protecting anyone?

[San Lumen]

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

The only thing that these criminal referrals are gonna result in is giving Trump a legal defense against his prosecution. These are fucking meaningless and without teeth.

Congress has no authority to prosecute anyone. What do you want them to do?

[New-Minneapolis]

The only thing that these criminal referrals are gonna result in is giving Trump a legal defense against his prosecution. These are fucking meaningless and without teeth.

Congress has no authority to prosecute anyone. What do you want them to do?

Issue a report without criminal referrals.

[American Legionaries]

The purpose of government is to protect people. The "shutdown" in 18-19 was anything but a shutdown. Many government functions continued to take place. So, no, I don't want the government to temporarily pretend to be shut down indefinitely.

Tell that to the people who work at national parks and the all damage that was done to them by people with no respect for them. tell that to those who worked without pay.

Those people are me, Lumen. I don't need to tell myself things that I personally experienced.

If you think it had no effect you are an in fantasy land.

Okay, but I don't.

And if the government can't pass a budget and can't agree on a resolution to end shutdown how is it protecting anyone?

By shutting down the government.

[The Black Forrest]

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

The only thing that these criminal referrals are gonna result in is giving Trump a legal defense against his prosecution. These are fucking meaningless and without teeth.

*shrugs* We shall see.

What legal defense will he receive? Conspiracy talk sure. The morons giving him money for the legal defense fund? Absolutely.

Now saving the office of the President from being prosecuted. Most likely…..

[San Lumen]

Tell that to the people who work at national parks and the all damage that was done to them by people with no respect for them. tell that to those who worked without pay.

Those people are me, Lumen. I don't need to tell myself things that I personally experienced.

If you think it had no effect you are an in fantasy land.

Okay, but I don't.

And if the government can't pass a budget and can't agree on a resolution to end shutdown how is it protecting anyone?

By shutting down the government.

Your therefore fine with the damage that was done?

Again how is shutting down the government and refusing to come together to end it protecting anyone ? Do you have any clue how things work or do you just like to be edgy for the sake of it?

[American Legionaries]

Those people are me, Lumen. I don't need to tell myself things that I personally experienced.



Okay, but I don't.



By shutting down the government.

Your therefore fine with the damage that was done?

What damage? The destruction of protected natural lands, no I'm not fine with it. But something doesn't need to be free of downsides to be good.

Again how is shutting down the government and refusing to come together to end it protecting anyone ?

The government can't hurt people if it's shut down.

[Cannot think of a name]

No they can't stop an investigation by the justice department.

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

You guys are so addicted to Riding the Lumen that you're literally agreeing with him while arguing. The dude Lumen was responding to insinuated that the new House can 'drop the charges' when there's no charges to drop and if the Justice Department takes up the recommendation all the new House can do is whine about it. So you guys are both coming down on the side of them releasing their findings and recommendations now.

[Cannot think of a name]

*sighs*. They can drop the House investigation. This is why they are finishing up and submitting their evidence and violation claims over to the Justice department.

The only thing that these criminal referrals are gonna result in is giving Trump a legal defense against his prosecution.

Walk us through that.

These are fucking meaningless and without teeth.

You want them to impeach him a third time? Referrals are pretty much their limit of powers.

[Cannot think of a name]

Congress has no authority to prosecute anyone. What do you want them to do?

Issue a report without criminal referrals.

So...make it completely useless? You just wanted a bit of theater?

[San Lumen]

Your therefore fine with the damage that was done?

What damage? The destruction of protected natural lands, no I'm not fine with it. But something doesn't need to be free of downsides to be good.

Again how is shutting down the government and refusing to come together to end it protecting anyone ?

The government can't hurt people if it's shut down.

Except those federal employees who don’t get paid, those who don’t get their social security checks, food stamps, welfare and many other things you’re just waving off.

I honestly wonder if you truly believe what you write.

[New-Minneapolis]

Issue a report without criminal referrals.

So...make it completely useless? You just wanted a bit of theater?

It is already completely useless

[American Legionaries]

What damage? The destruction of protected natural lands, no I'm not fine with it. But something doesn't need to be free of downsides to be good.



The government can't hurt people if it's shut down.

Except those federal employees who don’t get paid, those who don’t get their social security checks, food stamps, welfare and many other things you’re just waving off.

Except them what? That there are negative impacts to a government shutdown has already been acknowledged, so what's your point?

I honestly wonder if you truly believe what you write.

Lmao, the feeling is mutual.