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Sutalia
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Postby Sutalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:52 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
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And that should stop but we are too selfish as a species to care and soon our world will end up like how it is in Avatar. No wildlife and no green and all we have to eat is algae.

The inexplicable liberal urge to draw pop culture conclusions from real-life tragedies aside, it's not about selfishness or selflessness. It's about the mobilisation of different interest groups in order to dismantle said system. Make any conclusions you want, but don't come all out hating the human race with pseudoscientific biological determinism.

Arguably liberals veer towards pop culture because religious and mythological references are too traditionalist.
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Postby Rakhalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:55 pm

Sutalia wrote:
Rakhalia wrote:The inexplicable liberal urge to draw pop culture conclusions from real-life tragedies aside, it's not about selfishness or selflessness. It's about the mobilisation of different interest groups in order to dismantle said system. Make any conclusions you want, but don't come all out hating the human race with pseudoscientific biological determinism.

Arguably liberals veer towards pop culture because religious and mythological references are too traditionalist.

I mean, yeah, the pseudo-religious dedication to consumerist idols is well-documented. "God" is no longer on our side in the Ukraine war, for instance. Instead Putin is Slytherin and Ukraine is Griffindor.
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Postby Sutalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:57 pm

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Sutalia wrote:Arguably liberals veer towards pop culture because religious and mythological references are too traditionalist.

I mean, yeah, the pseudo-religious dedication to consumerist idols is well-documented. "God" is no longer on our side in the Ukraine war, for instance. Instead Putin is Slytherin and Ukraine is Griffindor.

Cringe, I tell you. It would be an interesting thing to study on a psychological/sociological level.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:58 pm

Ifreann wrote:"every five to ten years or so" suddenly transforms when challenged to "five times ever, decades in the past, two of them almost a century in the past, one that sunsetted as planned after ten years, and also I'm counting a hypothetical future event". So that's a no on a slippery slope here.


"Your numbers weren't EXACT, aha! I gotcha! This means gun rights haven't been gradually whittled down! Didn't happen!"

Ifreann wrote:
It's good to know that I won't have my house raided by federal agents if I drill some funny holes in my rifles, and that my FFL dealer was just joshing around when I tried ordering some 20rd mags and he told me they're illegal where I live. Clearly, I've been victimized by misinformation and some good pranking.

Clearly you're not misinformed, just dishonest. You know perfectly well that there isn't a slippery slope of gun control, but you say that there is any way.


It's dishonest of me to point out that the generation immediately before mine could purchase machine guns, while I'm currently on the edge of legality with semi-automatic weapons, and one full half of the legislature is trying to push legislation to make what I own a felony. Sure thing, pal. Alternatively, you may be intentionally obtuse.

Ifreann wrote:None of that entails anyone's bedroom being brought into streets, nor schools, nor anyone's life being ruined for fucking up a person's pronouns. Again, an invented slippery slope. Though in this case I'm willing to grant that you may indeed be misinformed. I mean, you clearly didn't read that California law at all.


There is LITERALLY A PICTURE OF A DUDE EXERCISING HIS FETISH IN THE CLASSROOM lmfao

I'd post the picture of the dildo suit pride parade guys and what have you but I'm pretty sure that'd get me the spicy text from the moderators.

Further, the California law would punish misgendering under AB 895, which provides for spending half a year in prison and/or a $2500 fine, both of which absolutely could be life-ruining. I'd permanently lose the ability to work in my field (as would most professionals,) and considering the cost of living in California, suddenly having to pony up $2500 to the state because you he'd a zir sounds like something that could put you on the streets. Of course, I reckon you'll say something like "well it only would affect doctors aha gotcha again" as if the end goal isn't broad compliance with pronoun politics.

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I'll at least admit Reagan deserves a ton of criticism regarding his trampling of gun rights, but it's absolutely disingenuous to suggest gun control activists have not continuously been chipping away at 2A rights.

It's absolutely disingenuous to suggest that maybe two gun control laws passed in your lifetime, probably just one though, is evidence of the "progressivist slippery slope". On the contrary, there is a great deal of friction against gun control, as again and again an instance of wanton slaughter fails to achieve any movement on it.


And yet there's a giant push every time. You are right in that it's not exactly a progressivist push, quite often there's Republicans complicit with it. Also, when it comes to guns, keep in mind I'm not even touching on ATF guidance, which is for all intents and purposes law passed by an executive agency.

Gradual rights revocation is gradual rights revocation. Some of the politicians we have today were in office back in 86, so it's not really some "ancient history" thing.
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Postby Rakhalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:58 pm

Sutalia wrote:
Rakhalia wrote:I mean, yeah, the pseudo-religious dedication to consumerist idols is well-documented. "God" is no longer on our side in the Ukraine war, for instance. Instead Putin is Slytherin and Ukraine is Griffindor.

Cringe, I tell you. It would be an interesting thing to study on a psychological/sociological level.

Not really. "Our consumer icons are the Gods of the modern day" has been said by so many people it's probably being recited by High Schoolers who think they're profound.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:58 pm

Nora Xent wrote:San lumen is a partisan, not a funny one or a resist lib #trusttheplan one. But one that just makes unbelievably god-awful takes that makes people angry.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:58 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Humans are fighting to protect this planet because we are an intelligent and social species that values our fellows and values the natural world.

This is pure fantasy, and I would suggest that you restrict such posting to the RP forums, but I doubt that the RP forums would be interested in your hate-motivated nonsense.


Then why is global warming a thing? Why is the amount of wildlife decreasing rapidly? Why are we still dumping toxic waste and polluting the air? It should have stopped already. it hasn't because humans are selfish.

It's because the system is controlled by rich, elitist assholes who don't give a shit about the rest of us. The vast majority of pollution comes from companies that are protected from accountability by lobbyists and politicians.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:59 pm

(snip, internet pooped on me.)
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Postby Nora Xent » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:59 pm

If you think about it, Ukraine are my kids, Russia is my ex-wife, and the west is me.

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Postby Umeria » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:00 pm

Forsher wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Humans are killing this planet because we are a selfish species who only think of ourselves and trees and wildlife are an annoyance. Dinosaurs would have treated the planet better and have a super advanced galactic civilization by now and take good care of the planet and other wildlife.

tbf to Iffy, this actually is insane. Rick and Morty is not a documentary, SL!

I mean, aside from anything else, if they didn't evolve like this in 164 million years, why would they have done so in another 65?

Well some people say that the kickoff event for humans becoming intelligent was an ice age that made trees sparcer and forced us to walk on two feet, freeing up our hands to make tools. That couldn't really happen in the Mezozoic era because there was so much CO2 from volcanic activity that literally everywhere was dense forest.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:00 pm

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Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

Lee Zeldin like you is an American Citizen of the USA, he has a democratic right to think the election was stolen from Trump by the Democrats, he has a democratic right to think anything he thinks. It is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy.


And every American has the right to say “prove it or shut the fuck up!”
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:04 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Lee Zeldin like you is an American Citizen of the USA, he has a democratic right to think the election was stolen from Trump by the Democrats, he has a democratic right to think anything he thinks. It is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy.


And every American has the right to say “prove it or shut the fuck up!”


Pics or it didn’t happen. That sort thing I guess. But I feel that can be problematic.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:21 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

Lee Zeldin like you is an American Citizen of the USA, he has a democratic right to think the election was stolen from Trump by the Democrats, he has a democratic right to think anything he thinks. It is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy.

Depends on the freedom of speech of whichever shrink does dude's analysis.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:22 pm

Forsher wrote:tbf to Iffy, this actually is insane. Rick and Morty is not a documentary, SL!


obligatory to be fair you have to have a very high IQ to enjoy Rick and Morty...
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:23 pm

Cook's made it's final changes before next week, and they're all rightward shifts

From Solid to Likely D:

Morelle(Rochester, NY)

From Solid to Lean D:

Brownley(Oxnard-Thousand Oaks, CA)

From Likely to Lean D:

Harder(Stockton, CA)
Casten(Oak Lawn-Downers Grove, IL)
Underwood(Aurora-Joliet, IL)
Kim(Hamilton-Mount Laurel, NJ)

From Lean D to Tossup:

Porter(Irvine-Huntington Beach, CA)
Beechhurst-Levittown, NY
Hempstead, NY

From Tossup to Lean R:

Portland-Bend, OR
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:23 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
And every American has the right to say “prove it or shut the fuck up!”


Pics or it didn’t happen. That sort thing I guess. But I feel that can be problematic.


GMS thinks 2000 mules was an actual documentary.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:25 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Pics or it didn’t happen. That sort thing I guess. But I feel that can be problematic.


GMS thinks 2000 mules was an actual documentary.

lol :), I do. GMS.
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I am glad that the board of trustees didn’t bow down to the overly sensitive far left zoomer student mob that were throwing tantrums.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:30 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:


I am glad that the board of trustees didn’t bow down to the overly sensitive far left zoomer student mob that were throwing tantrums.


A lot of them probably can’t be bothered to vote either. They would rather complain on Twitter or Reddit.

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Postby Rakhalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
I am glad that the board of trustees didn’t bow down to the overly sensitive far left zoomer student mob that were throwing tantrums.


A lot of them probably can’t be bothered to vote either. They would rather complain on Twitter or Reddit.

I love how your reaction to the election of an outwardly homophobic political figure to the UoF is "pfft, zoomers complaining on Twitter or Reddit". Jesus Fucking Christ.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:32 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
A lot of them probably can’t be bothered to vote either. They would rather complain on Twitter or Reddit.

I love how your reaction to the election of an outwardly homophobic political figure to the UoF is "pfft, zoomers complaining on Twitter or Reddit". Jesus Fucking Christ.


What can he do as president? Not much.

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Postby Rakhalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:33 pm

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Rakhalia wrote:I love how your reaction to the election of an outwardly homophobic political figure to the UoF is "pfft, zoomers complaining on Twitter or Reddit". Jesus Fucking Christ.


What can he do as president? Not much.

The dissemination of people with certain views into key institutions is precisely what helps the proliferation of these views. Are you sociologically blind.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:35 pm

Rakhalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
A lot of them probably can’t be bothered to vote either. They would rather complain on Twitter or Reddit.

I love how your reaction to the election of an outwardly homophobic political figure to the UoF is "pfft, zoomers complaining on Twitter or Reddit". Jesus Fucking Christ.


You act like every conservative be like this :roll:
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