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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:10 pm

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You only care about stupid pieces of metal and are willing to sacrifice the environment and democracy to get it. I wish every non civilian owned gun would break.


I agree, every non-civilian owned gun should break! See we can find common ground, Lumen!


I should have said every gun owned by a civilian should break and sales banned to them.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:10 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You only care about stupid pieces of metal and are willing to sacrifice the environment and democracy to get it. I wish every non civilian owned gun would break.


So you want every gun that isn't owned by a private citizen to break?

Between this and your post about galactic dinosaur civilization hanging out with the aliens I don't know if you're bamboozling us or what, but it's pretty silly.


I dunno, Star Trek Voyager covered this
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:10 pm

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How do you know what 65 million years of evolution would have brought?


It wouldn't have brought sapience to glorified murder chickens.


You don’t know that.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:11 pm

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Sutalia wrote:My life has not improved under 20 years of Democratic rule. In fact, many of my relatives have moved to Florida. Why should I support Hochul of all people?


Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

This is one of the things that I really hate about Democrats. It's always about voting for them because they're not their opponents, rather than them being decent themselves.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I agree, every non-civilian owned gun should break! See we can find common ground, Lumen!


I should have said every gun owned by a civilian should break and sales banned to them.


And here in black and white we have the ruined world I'm trying to avoid.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:12 pm

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Well? When the legislature fails what else is left?

Even now. SCOTUS is lopsided as fuck and yet that is viewed as “correcting the wrongs of the past”

Ideologues are a problem these days.

What's left is to organize communities and put pressure on elected officials. If the legislature fails so badly that only the court can effectively legislate, the purpose of democracy will be defeated.
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That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.

That is absurd and unscientific.


Is it? Where would we be is the Dark Ages hadn’t have happened? Still that is a discussion for another topic.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:13 pm

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Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

This is one of the things that I really hate about Democrats. It's always about voting for them because they're not their opponents, rather than them being decent themselves.


What's indecent about what I said?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:13 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I should have said every gun owned by a civilian should break and sales banned to them.


And here in black and white we have the ruined world I'm trying to avoid.


that would be a much better world.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:14 pm

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And here in black and white we have the ruined world I'm trying to avoid.


that would be a much better world.


It wouldn't.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:17 pm

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that would be a much better world.


It wouldn't.


Yes it would. In my ideal world gerrymandering would be illegal, all campaign ads would be subject to a review board and if they contain lies or statements out of context they would not be to allowed to air, all things toxic would be banned and removed from the shelves and society and deforestation would stop completely.

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Postby Sutalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sutalia wrote:What's left is to organize communities and put pressure on elected officials. If the legislature fails so badly that only the court can effectively legislate, the purpose of democracy will be defeated.

That is absurd and unscientific.


How do you know what 65 million years of evolution would have brought?

You're the one claiming that dinosaurs would have invented space travel, thereby speculating in an unscientific manner. I have done no such thing. The Mesozoic lasted almost 200 million years, and they didn't invent space travel in that time. I doubt another 65 million would have done the trick.
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Sutalia wrote:My life has not improved under 20 years of Democratic rule. In fact, many of my relatives have moved to Florida. Why should I support Hochul of all people?


Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

Zeldin is talking about an issue that affects me and my community: crime. Both myself and some of my loved ones have been victimized by theft in recent months, and yet I have no idea what Hochul plans on doing about it. Feel free to talk about why Zeldin is bad (I am well aware that he has flaws) but you're not telling me why I should support Hochul instead of voting 3rd party or Republican.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:This is one of the things that I really hate about Democrats. It's always about voting for them because they're not their opponents, rather than them being decent themselves.


What's indecent about what I said?

It's all about how the opponent sucks, and not a single word about it had anything to do with why the candidate you support is good.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:18 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:Once again I’m going to say: The trees can’t be harmed if Americans are armed.

You should probably stop saying that, it's very silly.


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No.


That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.

It's very annoying that you will take your stupid little beef with some posters here and use it to justify hatred of the whole species. Speaking as a human, I really don't appreciate you constantly talking shit about how inferior we are to your fantasies about dinosaurs.

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Postby Rusozak » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:18 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

This is one of the things that I really hate about Democrats. It's always about voting for them because they're not their opponents, rather than them being decent themselves.


When the GOP sets the bar so low, the Democrats don't really need to do anything to prove themselves. Only the rise of a new party can break the cycle of racing to the bottom.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:19 pm

Sutalia wrote:
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How do you know what 65 million years of evolution would have brought?

You're the one claiming that dinosaurs would have invented space travel, thereby speculating in an unscientific manner. I have done no such thing. The Mesozoic lasted almost 200 million years, and they didn't invent space travel in that time. I doubt another 65 million would have done the trick.
San Lumen wrote:
Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

Zeldin is talking about an issue that affects me and my community: crime. Both myself and some of my loved ones have been victimized by theft, and yet I have no idea what Hochul plans on doing about it. Feel free to talk about why Zeldin is bad (I am well aware that he has flaws) but you're not telling me why I should support Hochul instead of voting 3rd party.


He is outright lying by claiming he is going to end cashless bail. The governor does not have the authority to repeal a law. But at this point i expect him too win and am calling it for him as well as the Senate for Republicans. if the people want idiots like him Walker and Bolduc in power they deserve them. Just wait till someone like MTG is elected Governor or President which i expect to be soon.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:19 pm

Democrats haven't implemented any policies recently that are responsible for uptakes in crime, nor do Republicans have any real solutions. This idea that Republicans are the chosen ones to tackle crime is false.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
It wouldn't.


Yes it would. In my ideal world gerrymandering would be illegal, all campaign ads would be subject to a review board and if they contain lies or statements out of context they would not be to allowed to air, all things toxic would be banned and removed from the shelves and society and deforestation would stop completely.

As if that could happen under the current elitist system.

Also, gerrymandering is illegal. It still happens, though.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
It wouldn't.


Yes it would. In my ideal world gerrymandering would be illegal, all campaign ads would be subject to a review board and if they contain lies or statements out of context they would not be to allowed to air, all things toxic would be banned and removed from the shelves and society and deforestation would stop completely.


Who cares?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:20 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Once again I’m going to say: The trees can’t be harmed if Americans are armed.

You should probably stop saying that, it's very silly.


San Lumen wrote:
That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.

It's very annoying that you will take your stupid little beef with some posters here and use it to justify hatred of the whole species. Speaking as a human, I really don't appreciate you constantly talking shit about how inferior we are to your fantasies about dinosaurs.


Humans are killing this planet because we are a selfish species who only think of ourselves and trees and wildlife are an annoyance. Dinosaurs would have treated the planet better and have a super advanced galactic civilization by now and take good care of the planet and other wildlife.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:21 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

This is one of the things that I really hate about Democrats. It's always about voting for them because they're not their opponents, rather than them being decent themselves.


Indeed. I'm not exactly motivated to vote for "the lesser of the two evils."
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:21 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yes it would. In my ideal world gerrymandering would be illegal, all campaign ads would be subject to a review board and if they contain lies or statements out of context they would not be to allowed to air, all things toxic would be banned and removed from the shelves and society and deforestation would stop completely.

As if that could happen under the current elitist system.

Also, gerrymandering is illegal. It still happens, though.


Meanwhile Republicans got to defy court rulings and Democrat just rolled over like good little boys and girls instead of choosing to defy rulings in their states.

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Postby Sutalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sutalia wrote:You're the one claiming that dinosaurs would have invented space travel, thereby speculating in an unscientific manner. I have done no such thing. The Mesozoic lasted almost 200 million years, and they didn't invent space travel in that time. I doubt another 65 million would have done the trick.

Zeldin is talking about an issue that affects me and my community: crime. Both myself and some of my loved ones have been victimized by theft, and yet I have no idea what Hochul plans on doing about it. Feel free to talk about why Zeldin is bad (I am well aware that he has flaws) but you're not telling me why I should support Hochul instead of voting 3rd party.


He is outright lying by claiming he is going to end cashless bail. The governor does not have the authority to repeal a law. But at this point i expect him too win and am calling it for him as well as the Senate for Republicans. if the people want idiots like him Walker and Bolduc in power they deserve them. Just wait till someone like MTG is elected Governor or President which i expect to be soon.

He is certainly going to make an attempt at ending cashless bail, especially if Republicans do well in state legislature elections. Hochul was complacent with all of the corruption from the Cuomo administration, and that makes me wonder... who did you vote for in the Democratic primary? If you voted for Hochul, why? What makes her a good candidate?
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You should probably stop saying that, it's very silly.



It's very annoying that you will take your stupid little beef with some posters here and use it to justify hatred of the whole species. Speaking as a human, I really don't appreciate you constantly talking shit about how inferior we are to your fantasies about dinosaurs.


Humans are killing this planet because we are a selfish species who only think of ourselves and trees and wildlife are an annoyance. Dinosaurs would have treated the planet better and have a super advanced galactic civilization by now and take good care of the planet and other wildlife.


Tyrannosaurus Rex were surely known to be selfless environmental advocates...

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:24 pm

Sutalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
He is outright lying by claiming he is going to end cashless bail. The governor does not have the authority to repeal a law. But at this point i expect him too win and am calling it for him as well as the Senate for Republicans. if the people want idiots like him Walker and Bolduc in power they deserve them. Just wait till someone like MTG is elected Governor or President which i expect to be soon.

He is certainly going to make an attempt at ending cashless bail, especially if Republicans do well in state legislature elections. Hochul was complacent with all of the corruption from the Cuomo administration, and that makes me wonder... who did you vote for in the Democratic primary? If you voted for Hochul, why? What makes her a good candidate?


If the State legislature doesn't agree he can do nothing. Its doubtful they win the Senate. The Assembly isn't happening.

I voted Hochul because Williams was a far left woke defund the police and Souzzi had no real plan.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sutalia wrote:My life has not improved under 20 years of Democratic rule. In fact, many of my relatives have moved to Florida. Why should I support Hochul of all people?


Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

Lee Zeldin like you is an American Citizen of the USA, he has a democratic right to think the election was stolen from Trump by the Democrats, he has a democratic right to think anything he thinks. It is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy.
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