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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:45 am

The Dank Republic wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
On what grounds, precisely?

Easier to keep your guns when other people can’t vote for politicians who’d support gun control


When the planet is how it is in Avatar, all you have to eat is algae and the color green no longer exists you’ll regret this statement but it will be too late.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:47 am

Elwher wrote:
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Ending democracy is bad actually.


Can you end something that never truly existed? Notwithstanding the inevitable republic vs democracy debate, have we ever really had a democratic form of government?


Does anyone really want Trump to be president to the day he dies?

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Postby Elwher » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:48 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
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Can you end something that never truly existed? Notwithstanding the inevitable republic vs democracy debate, have we ever really had a democratic form of government?


Does anyone really want Trump to be president to the day he dies?


He does, I presume. I didn't want him to be president at all.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:48 am

The Dank Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:GMS: I strongly agree and the Leftist Democrat Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media are destroying the Democracy of the USA, with their Hateful, undemocrat, ic, arrogant and intolerant comments, calling us, Pro Republicans, Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan supporters, Evil Fascist Nazis, they don't respect the Democratic rights of American Patriot Nationalist Citizens of the USA who think differently than they do.

The Democrats are simply exercising their own democratic right to call you out on your bullshit

Our economic, political and social views are not Bullshit, those are your opinions which you have a democratic right to have and a democratic right to post it to me and us. Leftist Democrats like Biden, Charlie Crist, Tim Ryan, Kathy Hochul, VIPs and the Leftist Media, are inciting violence against us Republicans, with their hateful, undemocratic, arrogant and intolerant comments, calling us Evil Fascist Nazis. Kathy Hochul's comments about Republicans not being New Yorkers and should leave New York, is undemocratic, arrogant and intolerant, if I were Republican Lee Zeldin, I would strongly criticize her on her comment and make it a campaign video against her, this comment should be enough for her to loose the election.

I added Nationalists to my original Post and on your response quote. I edited the Posts.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Dank Republic wrote:Easier to keep your guns when other people can’t vote for politicians who’d support gun control


When the planet is how it is in Avatar, all you have to eat is algae and the color green no longer exists you’ll regret this statement but it will be too late.


Implying you have the slightest clue what people will regret.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:54 am

American Legionaries wrote:
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When the planet is how it is in Avatar, all you have to eat is algae and the color green no longer exists you’ll regret this statement but it will be too late.


Implying you have the slightest clue what people will regret.


Enjoy your children inheriting a ruined world.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:55 am

Once again I’m going to say: The trees can’t be harmed if Americans are armed.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Implying you have the slightest clue what people will regret.


Enjoy your children inheriting a ruined world.

It's already ruined. It has politicians in it.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Implying you have the slightest clue what people will regret.


Enjoy your children inheriting a ruined world.


No.

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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:57 am

I will say I genuinely hate the callousness the mainstream GOP has towards the environment; they're correct in calling out wind and solar for the frauds they are, but the unrepentant shilling for coal and gas is insanity. There really isn't an alternative to nuclear for the backbone of the grid that doesn't involve some Malthusian misanthropy.

San Lumen wrote:Enjoy your children inheriting a ruined world.


Just going to remind everybody that Fallout's portrayal of California would be preferable to the actual, current one
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:58 am

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Enjoy your children inheriting a ruined world.


No.


That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
No.


That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.


The world will be ruined because of my attitude of trying to prevent a ruined world?

Well fuck...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:00 pm

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Enjoy your children inheriting a ruined world.

It's already ruined. It has politicians in it.


Which can be blamed on dumb voters….
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Which can be blamed on dumb voters….


We killed kings for this.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:01 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.


The world will be ruined because of my attitude of trying to prevent a ruined world?

Well fuck...


You only care about stupid pieces of metal and are willing to sacrifice the environment and democracy to get it. I wish every non civilian owned gun would break.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:02 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:It's already ruined. It has politicians in it.


Which can be blamed on dumb voters….


Yup they have short memories and would rather vote for morons like Walker and Zeldin.

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Postby Sutalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:04 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sutalia wrote:You misunderstand. The court's job is not to make laws but interpret them. The Supreme Court's more controversial liberal decisions stretched interpretation of the law very thin.
Also, how is democracy going to be ended by the court?


Well? When the legislature fails what else is left?

Even now. SCOTUS is lopsided as fuck and yet that is viewed as “correcting the wrongs of the past”

Ideologues are a problem these days.

What's left is to organize communities and put pressure on elected officials. If the legislature fails so badly that only the court can effectively legislate, the purpose of democracy will be defeated.
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No.


That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.

That is absurd and unscientific.
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Postby Sutalia » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Which can be blamed on dumb voters….


Yup they have short memories and would rather vote for morons like Walker and Zeldin.

My life has not improved under 20 years of Democratic rule. In fact, many of my relatives have moved to Florida. Why should I support Hochul of all people?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:06 pm

Sutalia wrote:
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Well? When the legislature fails what else is left?

Even now. SCOTUS is lopsided as fuck and yet that is viewed as “correcting the wrongs of the past”

Ideologues are a problem these days.

What's left is to organize communities and put pressure on elected officials. If the legislature fails so badly that only the court can effectively legislate, the purpose of democracy will be defeated.
San Lumen wrote:
That’s going to be our future because of attitudes like yours. I wish dinosaurs still existed because the asteroid hit the moon. They would have a galactic civilization by now and made contact with alien civilizations across the galaxy.

That is absurd and unscientific.


How do you know what 65 million years of evolution would have brought?

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
The world will be ruined because of my attitude of trying to prevent a ruined world?

Well fuck...


You only care about stupid pieces of metal and are willing to sacrifice the environment and democracy to get it. I wish every non civilian owned gun would break.

Again: you could let Tel have his guns in exchange for him supporting environmentalism, but noooooo, you want the Burger King approach...
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
The world will be ruined because of my attitude of trying to prevent a ruined world?

Well fuck...


You only care about stupid pieces of metal and are willing to sacrifice the environment and democracy to get it. I wish every non civilian owned gun would break.


I agree, every non-civilian owned gun should break! See we can find common ground, Lumen!

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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
You only care about stupid pieces of metal and are willing to sacrifice the environment and democracy to get it. I wish every non civilian owned gun would break.


So you want every gun that isn't owned by a private citizen to break?

Between this and your post about galactic dinosaur civilization hanging out with the aliens I don't know if you're bamboozling us or what, but it's pretty silly.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:09 pm

Sutalia wrote:
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Yup they have short memories and would rather vote for morons like Walker and Zeldin.

My life has not improved under 20 years of Democratic rule. In fact, many of my relatives have moved to Florida. Why should I support Hochul of all people?


Because Zeldin is an election denier and has outright lied in his campaign ads such as saying he will end cashless bail. The governor doesn’t have the authority to repeal a law.,

It should be illegal to make false claims and take things out of context in campaign ads. There should be a board that reviews them before they go to air.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sutalia wrote:What's left is to organize communities and put pressure on elected officials. If the legislature fails so badly that only the court can effectively legislate, the purpose of democracy will be defeated.

That is absurd and unscientific.


How do you know what 65 million years of evolution would have brought?


It wouldn't have brought sapience to glorified murder chickens.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:09 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Ifreann wrote:My favourite part of this post is about how all the things you cite to demonstrate a slippery slope didn't happen.


Oh, the NFA (1934) didn't happen?
And then the FFA (1938)?
And then the GCA (1968)?
And then the Hughes amendment (1986)?
And then the AWB (1994) which fortunately died?
And now the attempts to revive AWB, the whole "the 2A means the National Guard" nonsense?

"every five to ten years or so" suddenly transforms when challenged to "five times ever, decades in the past, two of them almost a century in the past, one that sunsetted as planned after ten years, and also I'm counting a hypothetical future event". So that's a no on a slippery slope here.


It's good to know that I won't have my house raided by federal agents if I drill some funny holes in my rifles, and that my FFL dealer was just joshing around when I tried ordering some 20rd mags and he told me they're illegal where I live. Clearly, I've been victimized by misinformation and some good pranking.

Clearly you're not misinformed, just dishonest. You know perfectly well that there isn't a slippery slope of gun control, but you say that there is any way.

Are you also holding that pride parades don't happen, this dude doesn't teach kids (admittedly from our neighbors to the north,) we don't actively try to integrate drag queens into childhood education, and our legislatures haven't attempted to legally require compliance with the pronoun circus?

None of that happened?

None of that entails anyone's bedroom being brought into streets, nor schools, nor anyone's life being ruined for fucking up a person's pronouns. Again, an invented slippery slope. Though in this case I'm willing to grant that you may indeed be misinformed. I mean, you clearly didn't read that California law at all.

I'll at least admit Reagan deserves a ton of criticism regarding his trampling of gun rights, but it's absolutely disingenuous to suggest gun control activists have not continuously been chipping away at 2A rights.

It's absolutely disingenuous to suggest that maybe two gun control laws passed in your lifetime, probably just one though, is evidence of the "progressivist slippery slope". On the contrary, there is a great deal of friction against gun control, as again and again an instance of wanton slaughter fails to achieve any movement on it.

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