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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Posts like this make it seem like you don't really support democracy.


In most states write in votes do not count unless that person is a official registered write in.

And?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:00 pm

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In most states write in votes do not count unless that person is a official registered write in.

And?


What do you mean and? I think I was crystal clear. Its as if you didn't vote.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:04 pm

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Ifreann wrote:And?


What do you mean and? I think I was crystal clear. Its as if you didn't vote.

Voting isn't equivalent to not voting, obviously. And elections aren't a football match.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:05 pm

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What do you mean and? I think I was crystal clear. Its as if you didn't vote.

Voting isn't equivalent to not voting, obviously. And elections aren't a football match.


Write in votes do not count in most states which i think i stupid. Few run as write in candidates.

Never said they were a football match.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:08 pm

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What do you mean and? I think I was crystal clear. Its as if you didn't vote.

Voting isn't equivalent to not voting, obviously. And elections aren't a football match.

Herschel Walker and Tommy Tuberville have entered the chat.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:12 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Voting isn't equivalent to not voting, obviously. And elections aren't a football match.

Herschel Walker and Tommy Tuberville have entered the chat.


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:14 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:Herschel Walker and Tommy Tuberville have entered the chat.


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Jones was never going to win. His victory was a fluke.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Voting isn't equivalent to not voting, obviously. And elections aren't a football match.


Write in votes do not count in most states which i think i stupid. Few run as write in candidates.

Aren't there a lot of elections that Democrats have no realistic hope of winning? And despite this, would you not encourage Democratic supporters to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless?

But then you say that there's no point in writing in candidates that can't win. You say that such votes are as good as pointless.

How do you square this?

Never said they were a football match.

I never said that you said that.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:15 pm

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Jones was never going to win. His victory was a fluke.


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:16 pm

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Write in votes do not count in most states which i think i stupid. Few run as write in candidates.

Aren't there a lot of elections that Democrats have no realistic hope of winning? And despite this, would you not encourage Democratic supporters to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless?

But then you say that there's no point in writing in candidates that can't win. You say that such votes are as good as pointless.

How do you square this?

Never said they were a football match.

I never said that you said that.


Yes I would encourage them to vote anyway.

What part of in most states write in votes do not count unless that person is an officially registered write in candidate do you not understand?

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Jones was never going to win. His victory was a fluke.

He absolutely could have if he treated it like a football match.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:18 pm

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Jones was never going to win. His victory was a fluke.

He absolutely could have if he treated it like a football match.


the only way he was going to win is if someone like Moore was nominated again but given that an idiot like Walker in Georgia is even remotely competitive doesn't inspire confidence.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Aren't there a lot of elections that Democrats have no realistic hope of winning? And despite this, would you not encourage Democratic supporters to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless?

But then you say that there's no point in writing in candidates that can't win. You say that such votes are as good as pointless.

How do you square this?


I never said that you said that.


Yes I would encourage them to vote anyway.

What part of in most states write in votes do not count unless that person is an officially registered write in candidate do you not understand?

You would encourage people to vote for a candidate that won't win, but also you say that votes for a candidate that won't win are pointless. Explain.
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Postby Platoon of Peace » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:26 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I'd also like to know why you insist on what amounts to throwing your vote away with write in votes because no one running supports communism.

Posts like this make it seem like you don't really support democracy.

Write-in votes tend to not have any chance at winning, for better or worse.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Yes I would encourage them to vote anyway.

What part of in most states write in votes do not count unless that person is an officially registered write in candidate do you not understand?

You would encourage people to vote for a candidate that won't win, but also you say that votes for a candidate that won't win are pointless. Explain.


I don’t see where the confusion is. One is casting an actual ballot for a person and other is throwing the vote away as it does not count.

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Postby Port Caverton » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:40 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:Herschel Walker and Tommy Tuberville have entered the chat.


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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You would encourage people to vote for a candidate that won't win, but also you say that votes for a candidate that won't win are pointless. Explain.


I don’t see where the confusion is.

I'm not confused, I'm trying to get you to explain the apparent contradiction in your beliefs, and then I'm going to make a point about how you don't really support democracy. Spoilers.
One is casting an actual ballot for a person and other is throwing the vote away as it does not count.

One is casting a ballot for a candidate that won't win and the other is casting a ballot for a candidate that won't win. Why do you support one but condemn the other.
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Postby Eahland » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:45 pm

Here's one I want to see you reconcile with the nonsensical and contradictory set of positions you've staked out:

There have been several times in the last few years that the local Democrats (and Progressives) haven't gotten their act together enough to nominate a full slate of local candidates. As a result, we had the incumbent Republican state representative running unopposed. My habit in these cases has been to write in myself.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I don’t see where the confusion is.

I'm not confused, I'm trying to get you to explain the apparent contradiction in your beliefs, and then I'm going to make a point about how you don't really support democracy. Spoilers.
One is casting an actual ballot for a person and other is throwing the vote away as it does not count.

One is casting a ballot for a candidate that won't win and the other is casting a ballot for a candidate that won't win. Why do you support one but condemn the other.


Because the vote for the person on the ballot actually registers. Write in votes aren’t reported with names unless the person meets the requirements.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm not confused, I'm trying to get you to explain the apparent contradiction in your beliefs, and then I'm going to make a point about how you don't really support democracy. Spoilers.

One is casting a ballot for a candidate that won't win and the other is casting a ballot for a candidate that won't win. Why do you support one but condemn the other.


Because the vote for the person on the ballot actually registers. Write in votes aren’t reported with names unless the person meets the requirements.

So what? Either way, the person you vote for won't win.
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Postby Cheries » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:54 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
Because the vote for the person on the ballot actually registers. Write in votes aren’t reported with names unless the person meets the requirements.

So what? Either way, the person you vote for won't win.

If everyone just votes for the person they think will win, instead of the person who actually represents their views, then democracy is pointless.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:55 pm

Cheries wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So what? Either way, the person you vote for won't win.

If everyone just votes for the person they think will win, instead of the person who actually represents their views, then democracy is pointless.


If everybody just votes for the choices they're given by the ruling apparatus, then democracy is pointless.

Doubly so when that ruling apparatus only offers choices from the ruling party.
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Postby Cheries » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:57 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Cheries wrote:If everyone just votes for the person they think will win, instead of the person who actually represents their views, then democracy is pointless.


If everybody just votes for the choices they're given by the ruling apparatus, then democracy is pointless.

It's true that the two-party system pushes out a more nuanced and representative democracy. That doesn't mean that everybody should stop voting. If anything, the evangelical bloc will keep lining up at the polls to crap on civil rights, so making things harder for their idiot of choice to be elected is always good. Also, we're not in a one-party state. Not yet, at least.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:00 pm

Cheries wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
If everybody just votes for the choices they're given by the ruling apparatus, then democracy is pointless.

It's true that the two-party system pushes out a more nuanced and representative democracy. That doesn't mean that everybody should stop voting. If anything, the evangelical bloc will keep lining up at the polls to crap on civil rights, so making things harder for their idiot of choice to be elected is always good. Also, we're not in a one-party state. Not yet, at least.


In areas of some states we are.

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:00 pm

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Ah, that is really disappointing. I really thought Stern would have made a far better senator than Fetterman. I guess I could try to accept Fetterman as the lesser evil, but I am certainly not very happy about this.

no. that is absolute bullshit. "TRY"? you really think you can just TRY? no. NO. i want you to VOTE YOUR FUCKING ASS OFF for fetterman. do not be like "meh maybe hes good", that is the WRONG MINDSET!!! tell yourself "fuck YES! i am voting for FETTERMAN! NO OZ, ONLY FETTERMAN!!!!" get a better attitude, man! you can DO THIS!
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