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Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:21 pm

Caninope wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.


Maybe we aren't supposed to understand.

Do you agree that reality exists independent of our desires, whats true is true whether you and I like it or not?

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Postby Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:22 pm

To answer the question
[quoteLike, seriously. Other then being raised religious, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to believe in an omnipotent creator. If you have a reason, feel free to post it here.][/quote]

Well I'm Pagan so let me give you a different perspective on the whole “God” thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang and I believe that something divine either the God or Goddess must have set it off. I believe that as every civisation had some form of deity that there has to be something. Every civisation can’t be wrong can they?

Im welcome to answer any questions you may have :)
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Postby Kotlas » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:23 pm

Orcoa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.

I argee
:palm: Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
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"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opiate of the masses." -Karl Marx

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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:24 pm

Briganti wrote:To answer the question
Like, seriously. Other then being raised religious, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to believe in an omnipotent creator. If you have a reason, feel free to post it here.]


Well I'm Pagan so let me give you a different perspective on the whole “God” thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang and I believe that something divine either the God or Goddess must have set it off. I believe that as every civisation had some form of deity that there has to be something. Every civisation can’t be wrong can they?

Im welcome to answer any questions you may have :)


1. Why worship the creator ?
2. Why can't they have been wrong ? Humans have been wrong about many things ;)
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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:24 pm

Kotlas wrote:
Orcoa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.

I argee
:palm: Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."

Yes, well, maybe it's true, eh?
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Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:24 pm

Briganti wrote:To answer the question
Like, seriously. Other then being raised religious, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to believe in an omnipotent creator. If you have a reason, feel free to post it here.


Well I'm Pagan so let me give you a different perspective on the whole “God” thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang and I believe that something divine either the God or Goddess must have set it off. I believe that as every civisation had some form of deity that there has to be something. Every civisation can’t be wrong can they?

Im welcome to answer any questions you may have :)

Every civilization at some point believed that illness was caused by evil spirits. Does that mean evil spirits cause you to get sick?
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Postby Shizoran » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:26 pm

that is totally true religion is an opportunity get out of doing things like for instance:
Saturday night: take out the trash. no its against my religion i cant
it is also to pawn off your responsibility :palm:

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:27 pm

Shizoran wrote:that is totally true religion is an opportunity get out of doing things like for instance:
Saturday night: take out the trash. no its against my religion i cant
it is also to pawn off your responsibility :palm:

Because people wouldn't do that anyway, right?
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Postby Shizoran » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:28 pm

that depends who u are

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Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:28 pm

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Shizoran wrote:that is totally true religion is an opportunity get out of doing things like for instance:
Saturday night: take out the trash. no its against my religion i cant
it is also to pawn off your responsibility :palm:

Because people wouldn't do that anyway, right?

And we challenge them as they come up.

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Postby Ulu Turan » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:34 pm

why a person would do something which is unpleasant for him

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Postby Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:35 pm

1. Why worship the creator ?
2. Why can't they have been wrong ? Humans have been wrong about many things
3.Every civilization at some point believed that illness was caused by evil spirits. Does that mean evil spirits cause you to get sick?


WOW 3 questions I normally get none lol.

Ok the whole creator worship thing. Well I thought it was obvious if they create the universe then its down to them I'm alive but I'm not a mindless drone. I never bow before my Gods there not perfect I don’t even know what this “perfect” it. To be more precise I worship aspect of the same God/ Goddess that appeal to me the most eg Horus.

I will merge question 2 and 3 together their kinda similar. Ok for a start I believe in Louis Pastures Germ theory because it fact we can see little Animalcules and they even have long Latin names. The whole evil sprits thing was a way to explain something early man couldn’t understand. Ok I admit that’s why Gods were first identified however in the beginning something of some form must have started the universe. Something can not just exist?
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Postby Caninope » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:39 pm

Kotlas wrote:
Orcoa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.

I argee
:palm: Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."


If there was an all knowing, ever present, and all powerful, and not to mention immortal God, would he not view life and plans differently than you?

We would be like an ant to him- so little in comparison, and unable to understand nearly as much in comparison.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:40 pm

Briganti wrote:
1. Why worship the creator ?
2. Why can't they have been wrong ? Humans have been wrong about many things
3.Every civilization at some point believed that illness was caused by evil spirits. Does that mean evil spirits cause you to get sick?


WOW 3 questions I normally get none lol.

Ok the whole creator worship thing. Well I thought it was obvious if they create the universe then its down to them I'm alive but I'm not a mindless drone. I never bow before my Gods there not perfect I don’t even know what this “perfect” it. To be more precise I worship aspect of the same God/ Goddess that appeal to me the most eg Horus.

I will merge question 2 and 3 together their kinda similar. Ok for a start I believe in Louis Pastures Germ theory because it fact we can see little Animalcules and they even have long Latin names. The whole evil sprits thing was a way to explain something early man couldn’t understand. Ok I admit that’s why Gods were first identified however in the beginning something of some form must have started the universe. Something can not just exist?

Sure, things can exist. It helps to have some kind of justification for believing it, though. As I understand it, gullibility isn't exactly a survival trait.

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Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:41 pm

Caninope wrote:
Kotlas wrote:
Orcoa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.

I argee
:palm: Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."


If there was an all knowing, ever present, and all powerful, and not to mention immortal God, would he not view life and plans differently than you?

We would be like an ant to him- so little in comparison, and unable to understand nearly as much in comparison.

So what's the difference between an all-knowing, ever-present, all-powerful and immortal God you can't prove and no God at all?

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Postby Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:42 pm

I have a personal experience which youd probally laugh at :/
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Postby Kotlas » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:42 pm

Briganti wrote:To answer the question
Like, seriously. Other then being raised religious, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to believe in an omnipotent creator. If you have a reason, feel free to post it here.


Well I'm Pagan so let me give you a different perspective on the whole “God” thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang and I believe that something divine either the God or Goddess must have set it off. I believe that as every civisation had some form of deity that there has to be something. Every civisation can’t be wrong can they?

Im welcome to answer any questions you may have :)
Oh great. Now lets all make up multiple invisible dictators in the sky.

And yes, every civilization can be wrong. Because the same civilizations that worshiped all these gods also tore out human hearts, executed dissenters, gave individuals practically no rights whatsoever, forced innocent people of conquered civilizations to work as slaves on elaborate and unnecessary building projects, and had capital punishments for white-collar criminals. Are they right about doing all this? I think we have come to realize that these are not advanced and rational nations, are they? Unless of course you are talking about "civisations". The ancient "civisations" of the world are a different matter entirely.

Why invent the extra step of a god if you believe in the big bang? What does the god do now? Does he actively interfere or recline back on his massage chair with a bowl of popcorn while we toil and suffer?
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Kotlas wrote:
Orcoa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.

I argee
:palm: Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."

Yes, well, maybe it's true, eh?
Aha! You have brought up an excellent and convincing argument, Hazarastan! Very well put together! I have been converted. I now realize that the whole convoluted "atheism" thing should not be taken seriously. After hearing that, I realize that God simply has to exist!
"In the beginning, man created God." -Atheist proverb

"Faith is illogical and irrational belief in the impossible." -Unknown

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opiate of the masses." -Karl Marx

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand” -Milton Friedman

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Postby Kotlas » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:43 pm

Briganti wrote:I have a personal experience which youd probally laugh at :/
Chances are we would laugh at it. But do give it a go anyway.
"In the beginning, man created God." -Atheist proverb

"Faith is illogical and irrational belief in the impossible." -Unknown

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opiate of the masses." -Karl Marx

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand” -Milton Friedman

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher

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Postby Kamsaki » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:47 pm

Caninope wrote:
Kamsaki wrote:You're still going to want to say that we can interpret the Will of God, though, right? Otherwise, it would be crazy of God to make commandments.


If by interpret them you mean do what they say.

Yeah, but "what they say" is an intentional thing; it relies on our grasping what it is they want us to do. How can we do what is being said if we can't understand what is being said?

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Postby Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:48 pm

Oh great. Now lets all make up multiple invisible dictators in the sky.


Erm no. Basically I don’t even believe that but I'm willing to defend it for the polytheists that aren’t here. They would believe that the Gods help people they don’t take sides because it just isn’t the way it works. The Gods are not part of this dimension there somewhere else.
My beliefs and polytheism I believe that each God/Goddess are aspect of the same corresponding God/Goddess. ^_^
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Postby Caninope » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:49 pm

Treznor wrote:
Caninope wrote:
Kotlas wrote:
Orcoa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.

I argee
:palm: Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."


If there was an all knowing, ever present, and all powerful, and not to mention immortal God, would he not view life and plans differently than you?

We would be like an ant to him- so little in comparison, and unable to understand nearly as much in comparison.

So what's the difference between an all-knowing, ever-present, all-powerful and immortal God you can't prove and no God at all?


The difference is what happens after death.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:56 pm

Caninope wrote:
Treznor wrote:So what's the difference between an all-knowing, ever-present, all-powerful and immortal God you can't prove and no God at all?


The difference is what happens after death.

In other words, you don't know.

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:03 pm

Kotlas wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Kotlas wrote:
Orcoa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Caninope wrote:How are we to understand the mind of God?


God is omnipotent. If he wanted us to understand, we would.

I argee
:palm: Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."

Yes, well, maybe it's true, eh?
Aha! You have brought up an excellent and convincing argument, Hazarastan! Very well put together! I have been converted. I now realize that the whole convoluted "atheism" thing should not be taken seriously. After hearing that, I realize that God simply has to exist!

:lol2:
I wasn't trying to convert you, mate. Just giving a possibility. Relax!
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Who are the oppressors? The few: the King, the capitalist, and a handful of other overseers and superintendents. Who are the oppressed? The many: the nations of the earth; the valuable personages; the workers; they that make the bread that the soft-handed and idle eat. - Mark Twain

Nothing is more precious than Independence and Liberty. - Ho Chi Minh
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Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:04 pm

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:I wasn't trying to convert you, mate. Just giving a possibility. Relax!

Few people deny the possibility of what can't be proven. We just find it funny when people insist they have a conclusive answer to it.

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omg...Why do NS People continue to post these damn things? I believe we have gone over this HUNDREDS OF TIMES.
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