Do you agree that reality exists independent of our desires, whats true is true whether you and I like it or not?
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by Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:21 pm
by Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:22 pm
by Kotlas » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:23 pm
Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
by The Alma Mater » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:24 pm
Briganti wrote:To answer the questionLike, seriously. Other then being raised religious, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to believe in an omnipotent creator. If you have a reason, feel free to post it here.]
Well I'm Pagan so let me give you a different perspective on the whole “God” thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang and I believe that something divine either the God or Goddess must have set it off. I believe that as every civisation had some form of deity that there has to be something. Every civisation can’t be wrong can they?
Im welcome to answer any questions you may have
by Islamic Hazarastan » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:24 pm
Kotlas wrote:Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
by Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:24 pm
Briganti wrote:To answer the questionLike, seriously. Other then being raised religious, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to believe in an omnipotent creator. If you have a reason, feel free to post it here.
Well I'm Pagan so let me give you a different perspective on the whole “God” thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang and I believe that something divine either the God or Goddess must have set it off. I believe that as every civisation had some form of deity that there has to be something. Every civisation can’t be wrong can they?
Im welcome to answer any questions you may have
by Shizoran » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:26 pm
by Islamic Hazarastan » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:27 pm
Shizoran wrote:that is totally true religion is an opportunity get out of doing things like for instance:
Saturday night: take out the trash. no its against my religion i cant
it is also to pawn off your responsibility
by Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:35 pm
1. Why worship the creator ?
2. Why can't they have been wrong ? Humans have been wrong about many things
3.Every civilization at some point believed that illness was caused by evil spirits. Does that mean evil spirits cause you to get sick?
by Caninope » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:39 pm
Kotlas wrote:Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:40 pm
Briganti wrote:1. Why worship the creator ?
2. Why can't they have been wrong ? Humans have been wrong about many things
3.Every civilization at some point believed that illness was caused by evil spirits. Does that mean evil spirits cause you to get sick?
WOW 3 questions I normally get none lol.
Ok the whole creator worship thing. Well I thought it was obvious if they create the universe then its down to them I'm alive but I'm not a mindless drone. I never bow before my Gods there not perfect I don’t even know what this “perfect” it. To be more precise I worship aspect of the same God/ Goddess that appeal to me the most eg Horus.
I will merge question 2 and 3 together their kinda similar. Ok for a start I believe in Louis Pastures Germ theory because it fact we can see little Animalcules and they even have long Latin names. The whole evil sprits thing was a way to explain something early man couldn’t understand. Ok I admit that’s why Gods were first identified however in the beginning something of some form must have started the universe. Something can not just exist?
by Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:41 pm
Caninope wrote:Kotlas wrote:Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
If there was an all knowing, ever present, and all powerful, and not to mention immortal God, would he not view life and plans differently than you?
We would be like an ant to him- so little in comparison, and unable to understand nearly as much in comparison.
by Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:42 pm
by Kotlas » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:42 pm
Oh great. Now lets all make up multiple invisible dictators in the sky.Briganti wrote:To answer the questionLike, seriously. Other then being raised religious, I can't find a logical reason for anyone to believe in an omnipotent creator. If you have a reason, feel free to post it here.
Well I'm Pagan so let me give you a different perspective on the whole “God” thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang and I believe that something divine either the God or Goddess must have set it off. I believe that as every civisation had some form of deity that there has to be something. Every civisation can’t be wrong can they?
Im welcome to answer any questions you may have
Aha! You have brought up an excellent and convincing argument, Hazarastan! Very well put together! I have been converted. I now realize that the whole convoluted "atheism" thing should not be taken seriously. After hearing that, I realize that God simply has to exist!Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Kotlas wrote:Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
Yes, well, maybe it's true, eh?
by Kotlas » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:43 pm
Chances are we would laugh at it. But do give it a go anyway.Briganti wrote:I have a personal experience which youd probally laugh at :/
by Briganti » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:48 pm
Oh great. Now lets all make up multiple invisible dictators in the sky.
by Caninope » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:49 pm
Treznor wrote:Caninope wrote:Kotlas wrote:Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
If there was an all knowing, ever present, and all powerful, and not to mention immortal God, would he not view life and plans differently than you?
We would be like an ant to him- so little in comparison, and unable to understand nearly as much in comparison.
So what's the difference between an all-knowing, ever-present, all-powerful and immortal God you can't prove and no God at all?
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Islamic Hazarastan » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:03 pm
Kotlas wrote:Aha! You have brought up an excellent and convincing argument, Hazarastan! Very well put together! I have been converted. I now realize that the whole convoluted "atheism" thing should not be taken seriously. After hearing that, I realize that God simply has to exist!Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Kotlas wrote:Just another instance of religious people having no decent argument and instead resorting to the "mysterious ways" of their alleged "God". Its like when I present an argument to a believer, and then they stare at me blankly for a few seconds before saying "I just know it in my heart."
Yes, well, maybe it's true, eh?
by Treznor » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:04 pm
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:I wasn't trying to convert you, mate. Just giving a possibility. Relax!
by States United as One » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:04 pm
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