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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:22 am

The Frontier NCR wrote:Simple. Make it a free market, abolish Patents and market regulation (Except for the bare minimum) and let it do it's thing.

Also returning to the gold standard would be great.


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Postby Umeria » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:37 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:Free Markets, no government regulation, abolishment of Patents, returning to the gold standard, and of course Anarcho-Capitalism.

Capitalism is perfect and is really the only moral option.

I don't think it's moral to dump toxic waste in drinking water
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:39 am

Umeria wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:Free Markets, no government regulation, abolishment of Patents, returning to the gold standard, and of course Anarcho-Capitalism.

Capitalism is perfect and is really the only moral option.

I don't think it's moral to dump toxic waste in drinking water


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Postby Umeria » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:41 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:
Umeria wrote:I don't think it's moral to dump toxic waste in drinking water

Real

Indeed, clean water regulations are a real necessity
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:43 am

Umeria wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:Real

Indeed, clean water regulations are a real necessity


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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:46 am

A lot of wealth redistribution to keep wealth gaps as low as possible.
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Postby Umeria » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:51 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:
Umeria wrote:Indeed, clean water regulations are a real necessity

Leftist try to understand sarcasm challenge (impossible)

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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:53 am

Leftist try to make a clever comeback challenge (0% success rate).
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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:58 am

Anyone who is an AnCap is a joke that writes itself.
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:00 am

Picairn wrote:Anyone who is an AnCap is a joke that writes itself.


Leftist try to criticize An ideology that they don't know what it is or how it works 90% of the time challenge (Impossible)
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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:03 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:Leftist try to criticize An ideology that they don't know what it is or how it works 90% of the time challenge (Impossible)

AnCap has no argument (self-evident).
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:04 am

Picairn wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:Leftist try to criticize An ideology that they don't know what it is or how it works 90% of the time challenge (Impossible)

AnCap has no argument (self-evident).


None of you guys have provided none other than just the good old classic of "Because I said so". Not to mention really dry insults that I'm honestly really tired of hearing because you have no other that hurt my poor old feewings.

Try again.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:07 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:None of you guys have provided none other than just the good old classic of "Because I said so". Not to mention really dry insults that I'm honestly really tired of hearing because you have no other that hurt my poor old feewings.

Try again.

Very funny because all you said in this thread are insults that can be compiled into a paragraph, with no substance or enlightenment. Try to offer something less insult and more policy.
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:08 am

Picairn wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:None of you guys have provided none other than just the good old classic of "Because I said so". Not to mention really dry insults that I'm honestly really tired of hearing because you have no other that hurt my poor old feewings.

Try again.

Very funny because all you said in this thread are insults that can be compiled into a paragraph, with no substance or enlightenment. Try to offer something less insult and more policy.


Hey, you guys started this whole waste of time. I'm just doing my patriotic duty of bullying leftoids on the internet because they haven't picked up a book in 20 years.
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Postby Cuba 2022 RP » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:08 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:
Picairn wrote:Very funny because all you said in this thread are insults that can be compiled into a paragraph, with no substance or enlightenment. Try to offer something less insult and more policy.


Hey, you guys started this whole waste of time. I'm just doing my patriotic duty of bullying leftoids on the internet because they haven't picked up a book in 20 years.

Actually, I picked up The Communist Manifesto yesterday.
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:10 am

Cuba 2022 RP wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:
Hey, you guys started this whole waste of time. I'm just doing my patriotic duty of bullying leftoids on the internet because they haven't picked up a book in 20 years.

Actually, I picked up The Communist Manifesto yesterday.


Exactly why I'm doing this.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:10 am

I'd make it easier for people to start economies of scale businesses
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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:12 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:Hey, you guys started this whole waste of time. I'm just doing my patriotic duty of bullying leftoids on the internet because they haven't picked up a book in 20 years.

You've already proven you don't read any books by virtue of being an AnCap.

And really, "bullying leftoids"? Your insults barely make anyone flinch.
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Postby Radiatia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:12 am

The immediate two changes I would make would be:

a) More support for unions, because a genuine free-market means that negotiations must be free, rather than the current system in which governments place a stranglehold on unions while allowing corporations to dictate terms and do what they like. Pitting an individual against a group is unfair, and not a reflection of a genuine free market. (I would also, for the record, support the reverse - I don't think that single small business owner being pitted against a trade union is fair either.)

b) Stricter anti-trust laws. Since the 1980s we've seen more and more mega-conglomerates and near-monopolies and the result is that the economic climate of the 2020s bears a stark resemblance to that of the 1890s. Competition is great, that's what makes capitalism great - someone needs to step in and stop the cartels.

The above I think would reverse most of the damage that was done during the terrible and failed neoliberal experiment of the 1980s and 1990s and rescue capitalism from its current state of being on the verge of turning into feudalism.

As a secondary measure I'd also explore a reform of monetary policy - though I don't think returning to the gold standard is a good idea, I also don't think that fiat currency is in most people's best interests and nor is fractional reserve banking. I haven't formulated a coherent view of what form this should take because I stopped researching this over five years ago when I stopped caring about politics and ran out of money for such academic pursuits.

An exploration of georgism wouldn't go amiss either, especially to right some of the damage that property market speculation has caused.

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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:16 am

Picairn wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:Hey, you guys started this whole waste of time. I'm just doing my patriotic duty of bullying leftoids on the internet because they haven't picked up a book in 20 years.

You've already proven you don't read any books by virtue of being an AnCap.

And really, "bullying leftoids"? Your insults barely make anyone flinch.


I did start with the communist manifesto. Became a socialist.

Studied economics for a time. Realized it was a pipe dream that has caused more death than capitalism ever realistically could. And I grew up.

In any case, I do have a few recommendations if you want to challenge your opinion (Or don't and prove my point anyways): Democracy the god that failed by Hans Herman Hoppe, a theory of Capitalism and socialism by the same author, economics in one lesson by Henry Hazlit, basic economics by Thomas Sowell, Anatomy of the State by Murray Rothbard and For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard.

Good books to get started on.
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:17 am

Picairn wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:Hey, you guys started this whole waste of time. I'm just doing my patriotic duty of bullying leftoids on the internet because they haven't picked up a book in 20 years.

You've already proven you don't read any books by virtue of being an AnCap.

And really, "bullying leftoids"? Your insults barely make anyone flinch.


I have (or at least I believe), 40 books in my collection and counting (since I really only got into this stuff about a year and a half ago).
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I don’t use NS Stats. Everything is dictated via the factbooks or told here.

CascadiaNow! BREAKING: As the “Day of endless cheer” raises 600,000 Cascades, Government announces the biggest present of all: CASCADIA HAS OFFICIALLY REPORTED NET ZERO CARBON EMISSIONS IN ITS ECONOMY! WE ARE OFFICIALLY CARBON NEUTRAL!| With the help of Charities and businesses, 64% of Cascadia's forests are now restored, announces Salem | The Pacifica Free Trade Agreement, an FTA between Cascadia, California and other Asian Nations, announces new members: Singapore and South Korea. Rumors speculate Malaysia and Thailand might join.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:19 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:Studied economics for a time. Realized it was a pipe dream that has caused more death than capitalism ever realistically could. And I grew up.


Taking this logic to its natural endpoint, is capitalism not responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths since we're attributing every death under a system to the system itself?
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Postby Umeria » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:20 am

Nue Cascadia wrote:
Picairn wrote:You've already proven you don't read any books by virtue of being an AnCap.

And really, "bullying leftoids"? Your insults barely make anyone flinch.

I have (or at least I believe), 40 books in my collection and counting (since I really only got into this stuff about a year and a half ago).

Are any of them medical textbooks? Because you seem to have some misconceptions about the effects of lead poisoning and other pollutants.
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:21 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:Studied economics for a time. Realized it was a pipe dream that has caused more death than capitalism ever realistically could. And I grew up.


Taking this logic to its natural endpoint, is capitalism not responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths since we're attributing every death under a system to the system itself?


Then that presents a question. Where are your numbers coming from then?
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Postby Nue Cascadia » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:21 am

Umeria wrote:
Nue Cascadia wrote:I have (or at least I believe), 40 books in my collection and counting (since I really only got into this stuff about a year and a half ago).

Are any of them medical textbooks? Because you seem to have some misconceptions about the effects of lead poisoning and other pollutants.


Why the fuck would books about economics be a medical textbook?
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CascadiaNow! BREAKING: As the “Day of endless cheer” raises 600,000 Cascades, Government announces the biggest present of all: CASCADIA HAS OFFICIALLY REPORTED NET ZERO CARBON EMISSIONS IN ITS ECONOMY! WE ARE OFFICIALLY CARBON NEUTRAL!| With the help of Charities and businesses, 64% of Cascadia's forests are now restored, announces Salem | The Pacifica Free Trade Agreement, an FTA between Cascadia, California and other Asian Nations, announces new members: Singapore and South Korea. Rumors speculate Malaysia and Thailand might join.

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