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Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:

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Also, getting rid of social media would help. A lot. I would not shed a single tear if Facebook, Twitter, et al went bankrupt and disappeared forever.

Well, instead of getting rid of Social Media, probably non-biased and government fact-checkers would help.

Even they can be subverted. Getting rid of social media is the key.

Both the far-right and the far-left are destroying this country.

I drank the libertarian Kool-Aid as a teenager, and an obscure love of """Freedom""" led to to calling myself an Ancap. After about a few weeks of that though, It dawned on me that if people still murder people now when there are exentsive systems in place to stop them, what the hell were things going to be like when there was nothing to stop anyone from doing anything?

From there I started questioning the purpose and need of authority, and even appreciating when it is used nobly. I am a right wing radical, but I wouldn't count myself among the racist Alt-right types. I just want the Roosevelt's back.

Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:

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Also, getting rid of social media would help. A lot. I would not shed a single tear if Facebook, Twitter, et al went bankrupt and disappeared forever.

Well, instead of getting rid of Social Media, probably non-biased and government fact-checkers would help.

Government fact-checkers? Like a Ministry of Truth or something? Because the second you leave media in the hands of government officials, it becomes a megaphone for the party line.

Erablegensstan wrote:

Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:Well, instead of getting rid of Social Media, probably non-biased and government fact-checkers would help.

Even they can be subverted. Getting rid of social media is the key.

Why not make Fake News as fraud, would that even help?

Godai Kaz wrote:

Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:Well, instead of getting rid of Social Media, probably non-biased and government fact-checkers would help.

Government fact-checkers? Like a Ministry of Truth or something? Because the second you leave media in the hands of government officials, it becomes a megaphone for the party line.

I just can't help myself trying not be an dictator in roleplays and real life although I'm not a nation leader in real life.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Both the far-right and the far-left are destroying this country.

The far-left has like zero power in this country and never has. The far-right comprises about 90% of one of our two major political parties.

I don't align even remotely with the far-left, but to claim they're destroying the country is an obtuse claim.

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline? [list]
[*]How have you gotten out of it?

Coitus.

Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:

Godai Kaz wrote:Government fact-checkers? Like a Ministry of Truth or something? Because the second you leave media in the hands of government officials, it becomes a megaphone for the party line.

I just can't help myself trying not be an dictator in roleplays and real life although I'm not a nation leader in real life.

As someone using this account to experiment with what I'd probably do left to my own devices with no constitution to abide by, I can respect that.

Godai Kaz wrote:

Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:I just can't help myself trying not be an dictator in roleplays and real life although I'm not a nation leader in real life.

As someone using this account to experiment with what I'd probably do left to my own devices with no constitution to abide by, I can respect that.

Thanks I guess?

Major-Tom wrote:
I don't align even remotely with the far-left, but to claim they're destroying the country is an obtuse claim.

Pretty sure they mean the culturally far-left. The socially progressive. Not dialectical materialism, obviously

I used to be conservative. Oh wait... I still am. I am deeply religious and anti-drug, pro-life, etc. I don't feel like online can change someone into a sexist and racist, and I'm pretty sure most are trolling. I would never be racist or sexist, even though that's was people label to the conservative party. I'm too religious to hate someone because we all come from the same place.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Both the far-right and the far-left are destroying this country.

Right. And since when has the left had any power?

Trust me, I have been through this six years ago.

Major-Tom wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:Both the far-right and the far-left are destroying this country.

The far-left has like zero power in this country and never has. The far-right comprises about 90% of one of our two major political parties.

I don't align even remotely with the far-left, but to claim they're destroying the country is an obtuse claim.

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline? [list]
[*]How have you gotten out of it?

Coitus.

It’s kind of hard to not do the “both sides“ thing when both the far right and the far left want me dead

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
The far-left has like zero power in this country and never has. The far-right comprises about 90% of one of our two major political parties.

I don't align even remotely with the far-left, but to claim they're destroying the country is an obtuse claim.



Coitus.

It’s kind of hard to not do the “both sides“ thing when both the far right and the far left want me dead

Who's the far-left?

Suriyanakhon wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:

It’s kind of hard to not do the “both sides“ thing when both the far right and the far left want me dead

Who's the far-left?

Primarily Marxist-Leninists and Anarcho-Communists.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Who's the far-left?

Primarily Marxist-Leninists and Anarcho-Communists.

As someone who actually goes to Marxist-Leninist meetings, there are no major Marxist-Leninists with the power to destroy the country, nor Anarcho-Communists.

like anywhere it rears its ugly head, fascism and alt-right thought of any kind must be combatted at every possible time from every possible angle, including online and in person. if we let it fester, we get 22/7, charlottesville, christchurch, and buffalo.

the term "alt-right" cannot be used to describe the republican party because the republican party is a liberal party. it is an individualist, pro-business, pro-private property, pro-free trade, and pro-capitalist party. it is morally equivalent to the democratic party. the GOP is just more open about its unfettered liberalism and hatred of those it views beneath them than the democratic party, who offers seemingly left-of-center "reforms" when they are adequate or advantageous and dropping them entirely come the next election cycle when they're not popular anymore.

the "alt-right" are the neo-fascists and neo-nazis, the white supremacists and "third way" --- the remnants of the KKK, nazi parties, and the "new nationalist" movements which rear their ugly heads throughout the world. is the duty of all civilized people on every continent to combat them when they do, no matter your political affiliation. communist or liberal, conservative or libertarian, red or blue; when fascism threatens us, if you do not combat it, then you are morally siding with it. we have seen it before. we can see it now. we will see it again.

don't get me wrong. liberalism and fascism should both be combatted; but at the end of the day, i'd rather shoot the person stabbing me before the person a few yards away with the intent to stab me.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Both the far-right and the far-left are destroying this country.

Only the far right is making everything worse and commits most terror attacks in the US, whereas the far left hopes to improve things and tends not to kill innocent people.

Alcala-Cordel wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:Both the far-right and the far-left are destroying this country.

Only the far right is making everything worse and commits most terror attacks in the US, whereas the far left hopes to improve things and tends not to kill innocent people.

I mean, we did have those race riots back in 2020 that killed like 20 people and injured hundreds more...

Based Illinois wrote:

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Only the far right is making everything worse and commits most terror attacks in the US, whereas the far left hopes to improve things and tends not to kill innocent people.

I mean, we did have those race riots back in 2020 that killed like 20 people and injured hundreds more...

If ending police brutality is a far-left position, then the US is really screwed in the long term.

Suriyanakhon wrote:

Based Illinois wrote:
I mean, we did have those race riots back in 2020 that killed like 20 people and injured hundreds more...

If ending police brutality is a far-left position, then the US is really screwed in the long term.

That... doesn't excuse killing a bunch of people at riots? I'm all for living in Harmony and what not, Andy Griffith and all, but that doesn't mean that innocents getting murdered in the mean time is justifiable.

I'm a huge enviormentalist - that doesn't mean I'd be okay with a green peace protest murdering some dudes for wearing fur or whatever.

Based Illinois wrote:

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Only the far right is making everything worse and commits most terror attacks in the US, whereas the far left hopes to improve things and tends not to kill innocent people.

I mean, we did have those race riots back in 2020 that killed like 20 people and injured hundreds more...

And who were the one's killing people?

Oh wait, it was the police and right wingers, the very people the left were protesting against. What a coincidence.

Based Illinois wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
I don't align even remotely with the far-left, but to claim they're destroying the country is an obtuse claim.

Pretty sure they mean the culturally far-left. The socially progressive. Not dialectical materialism, obviously

There is a small group of people who are culturally so far in the gutter, IE, inclined to support whatever appears the most progressive; regardless of the policy actually is. I'll concede that.

Are they annoying? Big time. Are they destroying the country? No.

I would go as far as to say that no one group is destroying the country per se; many groups of people are contributing to our steady decline, but much of our decline started with malicious institutional incompetence, and if for whatever reason America does hit the fan in the next few decades; they'll probably be the end cause as well.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Both the far-right and the far-left are destroying this country.

1. There’s hasn’t been an far left for a while since Reagan. (Never one with any substantial influence either)
2. Frankly, the far right is the norm of this country for a while; no thanks to neoliberalism. Strayed from that to authoritarian capitalism (advanced, late, or propertarian (related to ancaps) under Trumpism. Now, I couldn’t be surprised if went further...