Right-wing Extremism: Online Radicalism, Radicalization

[Kingdom of Intermaria]

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[Huaren Gongsi state]

In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?

• How have you gotten out of it?
• Have you know anyone that has gone further?
• Is there an end?

Not sure if this counts as "Alt-Right" but it is definitely extreme.
I got into the extreme chinese-ethnonationalism pipeline as soon as I touched discord when I was 13, Partly due to my background (My family escaped from Indonesia when they were killing the local Chinese population there) and partly because.. Discord

I got out of it because I realized its pretty much brain-dead, I saw one of my ex-mutual there celebrating his GPA, wanna know his GPA? it's darn 3.0
Around the same time, I met my Indian and malay friends and they are nice and not as bad as I thought they were.
And that's when I started moving on from that community.

I know some in this community that has gone further. It may sound weird to you but I met this absolutely brain-dead vietnamese manlet that thinks that he is chinese (and no, he is NOT even larping and he believes that he is Chinese) and looking at his background, he is literally a Vietnamese-American in Las Cruces, New Mexico and he turned into this chinese-ethnonationalist because of the internet. This vietnamese dumbf*ck really called mixed-chinese people "Huana" even though himself is a southeast Asian. Not to mention the fact that he wants China to be a fascist state.
I mean this person, LITERALLY said that he wants to kill all white people even though he is partially white himself.

An end to this? You just have to make friends with people of different backgrounds and to do that you have to get some Vitamin D like these chinazis never would.
I was in this sort of community because I was at my rebellious state (average teenagehood ig) and I grew out of it and moved on really.

[Ethel mermania]

There's not really any irony in that statement.

No it's fairly ironic for someone to say they value liberty and logic while simultaneously admitting to be an AnCap - an ideology known for the exact opposite.

From a communist, the ideology that absolutely squashes the rights of the individual, thats hilarious.

[Alcala-Cordel]

No it's fairly ironic for someone to say they value liberty and logic while simultaneously admitting to be an AnCap - an ideology known for the exact opposite.

From a communist, the ideology that absolutely squashes the rights of the individual, thats hilarious.

Democracy within the workplace and direct control of the means of production truly is an authoritarian nightmare. Don't even get me started on contributing according to one's ability and receiving according to their need..

[Ethel mermania]

From a communist, the ideology that absolutely squashes the rights of the individual, thats hilarious.

Democracy within the workplace and direct control of the means of production truly is an authoritarian nightmare. Don't even get me started on contributing according to one's ability and receiving according to their need..

Communism is an ideology as has a relatively consistent series of beliefs. It however is not an ideology that in any way shape or form promotes the individual rights.

[Nilokeras]

The layers of doublethink and *sniff* ideology that go into talking about 'rights' is always amusing. The rights that people say communist systems broach first are usually the comparatively intangible ones, like freedom of speech. These people are also the ones who, in other threads, complain about the consequences of cancel culture in our democracies meaning that people can be fired at will from their jobs for no reason, including for the things they say. Is there a material difference between a hypothetical communist society that punishes certain types of speech in the legal system and one where at-will employment laws mean that you can be fired for acts of speech like talking about unionization? Probably less than most people would think, but the ideas of what 'rights' are and how they are protected are so obfuscated in our societies that we barely even notice it. People abhor China's social credit system, yet Equifax credit scores are a normal - albeit annoying - part of daily life. etc etc.

[Based Illinois]

The layers of doublethink and *sniff* ideology that go into talking about 'rights' is always amusing. The rights that people say communist systems broach first are usually the comparatively intangible ones, like freedom of speech. These people are also the ones who, in other threads, complain about the consequences of cancel culture in our democracies meaning that people can be fired at will from their jobs for no reason, including for the things they say. Is there a material difference between a hypothetical communist society that punishes certain types of speech in the legal system and one where at-will employment laws mean that you can be fired for acts of speech like talking about unionization? Probably less than most people would think, but the ideas of what 'rights' are and how they are protected are so obfuscated in our societies that we barely even notice it. People abhor China's social credit system, yet Equifax credit scores are a normal - albeit annoying - part of daily life. etc etc.

Perhaps they are both wrong? Maybe letting society be run by either delluded marxian revolutionaries or plutocratic parasites was never a particularly good dichotomoy to begin with?

If only there was... a third position...

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

The layers of doublethink and *sniff* ideology that go into talking about 'rights' is always amusing. The rights that people say communist systems broach first are usually the comparatively intangible ones, like freedom of speech. These people are also the ones who, in other threads, complain about the consequences of cancel culture in our democracies meaning that people can be fired at will from their jobs for no reason, including for the things they say. Is there a material difference between a hypothetical communist society that punishes certain types of speech in the legal system and one where at-will employment laws mean that you can be fired for acts of speech like talking about unionization? Probably less than most people would think, but the ideas of what 'rights' are and how they are protected are so obfuscated in our societies that we barely even notice it. People abhor China's social credit system, yet Equifax credit scores are a normal - albeit annoying - part of daily life. etc etc.

That's a risk that I am willing to make for Democracy.
If it doesn't work out, I'll leave. That's how countries work.

[Cachard Calia]

The alt-right died years ago.

What are you talking about?!?!? Two years ago we had an alt-right presi dent!

[Sordhau]

The layers of doublethink and *sniff* ideology that go into talking about 'rights' is always amusing. The rights that people say communist systems broach first are usually the comparatively intangible ones, like freedom of speech. These people are also the ones who, in other threads, complain about the consequences of cancel culture in our democracies meaning that people can be fired at will from their jobs for no reason, including for the things they say. Is there a material difference between a hypothetical communist society that punishes certain types of speech in the legal system and one where at-will employment laws mean that you can be fired for acts of speech like talking about unionization? Probably less than most people would think, but the ideas of what 'rights' are and how they are protected are so obfuscated in our societies that we barely even notice it. People abhor China's social credit system, yet Equifax credit scores are a normal - albeit annoying - part of daily life. etc etc.

Perhaps they are both wrong? Maybe letting society be run by either delluded marxian revolutionaries or plutocratic parasites was never a particularly good dichotomoy to begin with?

If only there was... a third position...

Said Third Position indiscriminately had whole families rounded up and gassed for their ethnicity, sexuality, or even just being crippled. The Third Position is never an option; and those who promote it should be persecuted.

The layers of doublethink and *sniff* ideology that go into talking about 'rights' is always amusing. The rights that people say communist systems broach first are usually the comparatively intangible ones, like freedom of speech. These people are also the ones who, in other threads, complain about the consequences of cancel culture in our democracies meaning that people can be fired at will from their jobs for no reason, including for the things they say. Is there a material difference between a hypothetical communist society that punishes certain types of speech in the legal system and one where at-will employment laws mean that you can be fired for acts of speech like talking about unionization? Probably less than most people would think, but the ideas of what 'rights' are and how they are protected are so obfuscated in our societies that we barely even notice it. People abhor China's social credit system, yet Equifax credit scores are a normal - albeit annoying - part of daily life. etc etc.

That's a risk that I am willing to make for Democracy.
If it doesn't work out, I'll leave. That's how countries work.

That's nice. Not all of us have the luxury to leave.

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

That's nice. Not all of us have the luxury to leave.

Yeah, I am very much aware of that.
Given I see where the political division is going, there isn't anything I can do about it.
Also I agree with your sig btw Slava Ukraine. And stand with Taiwan.
Also the Armenians who where genocided by the Turks which is despicable.

But we should stand with Hong Kong as well.

[Nilokeras]

The layers of doublethink and *sniff* ideology that go into talking about 'rights' is always amusing. The rights that people say communist systems broach first are usually the comparatively intangible ones, like freedom of speech. These people are also the ones who, in other threads, complain about the consequences of cancel culture in our democracies meaning that people can be fired at will from their jobs for no reason, including for the things they say. Is there a material difference between a hypothetical communist society that punishes certain types of speech in the legal system and one where at-will employment laws mean that you can be fired for acts of speech like talking about unionization? Probably less than most people would think, but the ideas of what 'rights' are and how they are protected are so obfuscated in our societies that we barely even notice it. People abhor China's social credit system, yet Equifax credit scores are a normal - albeit annoying - part of daily life. etc etc.

That's a risk that I am willing to make for Democracy.
If it doesn't work out, I'll leave. That's how countries work.

Oh I'm sorry Mr. Dixie, it says here you don't have enough in your bank account to buy this plane ticket. And we've pulled your credit score and unfortunately you don't qualify for our payment plan. Security will escort you to the exit. Please don't make a scene, otherwise the police will be called and you'll be arrested for disturbing the peace. The important thing is that you had the 'freedom' to go elsewhere though, right?

[Based Illinois]

Said Third Position indiscriminately had whole families rounded up and gassed for their ethnicity, sexuality, or even just being crippled.

Well then it doesn't seem like it was very indiscriminate, now does it?

The Third Position is never an option; and those who promote it should be persecuted.

Third position is a pretty broad spectrum. You got Nazi's, who I agree should be shunned from polite society ( though I wouldn't be for government persecution, outside of actual criminals ), but then you got guys like integralists, Peronists, Gaulists, Ba'athist's, whatever Park Chung Hee and Lee Kuan Yew were doing. Me as an American, I'm more favorable toward the Roosevelts myself.

Only common denominator is nationalism combined with vague economic statism, and usually a healthy pinch of either conservatism or some other varient of anti-liberalism.

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

Oh I'm sorry Mr. Dixie, it says here you don't have enough in your bank account to buy this plane ticket. And we've pulled your credit score and unfortunately you don't qualify for our payment plan. Security will escort you to the exit. Please don't make a scene, otherwise the police will be called and you'll be arrested for disturbing the peace. The important thing is that you had the 'freedom' to go elsewhere though, right?

???
It's literally not that hard to get a citizenship for another country and move there... I find this a bit Crass....

[Nilokeras]

And lol at the Third Positionist reply guy citing a laundry list of petty dictatorships and stagnant kleptocracies as though it was some sort of viable ideological position and not the window dressing you put up while nakedly wielding autocratic power to entrench you and your friends' interests.

[Nilokeras]

Oh I'm sorry Mr. Dixie, it says here you don't have enough in your bank account to buy this plane ticket. And we've pulled your credit score and unfortunately you don't qualify for our payment plan. Security will escort you to the exit. Please don't make a scene, otherwise the police will be called and you'll be arrested for disturbing the peace. The important thing is that you had the 'freedom' to go elsewhere though, right?

???
It's literally not that hard to get a citizenship for another country and move there... I find this a bit Crass....

It's your right as an American Mr. Dixie to be upset, however our decision is final. Please step away from the counter, other customers with money are waiting.

[Based Illinois]

And lol at the Third Positionist reply guy citing a laundry list of petty dictatorships and stagnant kleptocracies as though it was some sort of viable ideological position and not the window dressing you put up while nakedly wielding autocratic power to entrench you and your friends' interests.

third position isn't an ideology my guy? It's just a recognized political pattern.

Also, Charles De Gaulle, Lee Kuan Yew, Park Chung hee, and the Roosevelts created and led stagnant kleptocracies and petty dictatorships in your opinion? I... don't know how you'd get to that point, but hey, whatever.

I call myself third position cause I don't feet neatly in the modern conception of conservative - that doesn't mean I like every regime or ideology that also happens to inhabit the space with me.

[Sordhau]

But we should stand with Hong Kong as well.

Little late for that, unfortunately.

Well then it doesn't seem like it was very indiscriminate, now does it?

You're right. It wasn't indiscriminate. But that makes it worse, not better.

Third position is a pretty broad spectrum. You got Nazi's, who I agree should be shunned from polite society ( though I wouldn't be for government persecution, outside of actual criminals ), but then you got guys like integralists, Peronists, Gaulists, Ba'athist's, whatever Park Chung Hee and Lee Kuan Yew were doing.

All you did was list different kinds of Fascism.

Me as an American, I'm more favorable toward the Roosevelts myself.

Teddy and FDR? Well, they're definitely improvements over the other examples you gave.

Only common denominator is nationalism combined with vague economic statism, and usually a healthy pinch of either conservatism or some other varient of anti-liberalism.

Don't forget the frequent human rights abuses.

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

???
It's literally not that hard to get a citizenship for another country and move there... I find this a bit Crass....

It's your right as an American Mr. Dixie to be upset, however our decision is final. Please step away from the counter, other customers with money are waiting.

(Ok OOC, maybe i should have read more into the comment i was replying to, my bad but this is not helping my reply nerves. I think you may be a nice individual)

(I can Recognize the faults of things but quite honestly I could care less about my rights if it means I'll get to Canada for someone that cares about me... It feels like an insult being compared to a "poor Civilian" and my opinion leans towards you are trolling....)

[El Lazaro]

Only common denominator is nationalism combined with vague economic statism, and usually a healthy pinch of either conservatism or some other varient of anti-liberalism.

Don't forget the frequent human rights abuses.

Why don’t you two get along? Do the pseudo-leftist aesthetics really matter that much?

[Cachard Calia]

So tell me, what precisely does "so far left" mean?

They have destroyed the holy bond of marriage, they tanked our economy and act like nothing is wrong, they're grooming and mutilating our children, they destroyed basic gender roles, destroyed our culture, aborted our children, and to top it all off they have demoralized our men.

Where to start.First of all, marriage is simply a legal bond unless people want it to be religious. Second, the economy would have tanked either way. Third, grooming is not in fact a thing, and we aren't demoralizing them, we're giving society basic morals again. Finally, gender roles have ruined generations of lives, so it might be time for a change. Thank you for STFUing.

[Nilokeras]

And lol at the Third Positionist reply guy citing a laundry list of petty dictatorships and stagnant kleptocracies as though it was some sort of viable ideological position and not the window dressing you put up while nakedly wielding autocratic power to entrench you and your friends' interests.

third position isn't an ideology my guy? It's just a recognized political pattern.

Also, Charles De Gaulle, Lee Kuan Yew, Park Chung hee, and the Roosevelts created and led stagnant kleptocracies and petty dictatorships in your opinion? I... don't know how you'd get to that point, but hey, whatever.

I call myself third position cause I don't feet neatly in the modern conception of conservative - that doesn't mean I like every regime or ideology that also happens to inhabit the space with me.

Fully half the people you listed there were ousted or killed outright in environments of widespread protest against the stagnancy and self-servingness of their regimes. Even more when you round up other examples like the Estado Novo or the Porfiriato. The remainder are either enclaves of capital or, like Roosevelt or Bismarck, conservatives who were backed into corners by growing radical movements and the avarice of pre-social democratic compact capital and forced to take action to stave off revolution. It's all window dressing, either for bald faced conservatism or naked personality authoritarianism.

[Based Illinois]

All you did was list different kinds of Fascism.

hmm, though ideologically ignorant, I could certainly see how you got to that point. Fascism in itself is pretty vague, differing from country to country and era - but it's roots ( nationalism and romanticism ) are definetly present in all of the aforementioned groups. I agree that neither Iraq under Saddam nor Argentina under Peron are example which should be emmulated - but if you're trying to say that France under De Gaulle, Singapore under Yew, and Korea under Park were examples of fascism, then I think you have inadvertently complimented the system.

Teddy and FDR? Well, they're definitely improvements over the other examples you gave.

Of course! They're the most obvious inspirations for any conception of American Third Position: Strong man leaders who didn't refrain from using their authority to clamp down on the power of big business for the benefit of the American people, while also asserting America's position on the global scale against external threats. I hesistate to say Teddy was the superior of the two - both were fantastic - but Teddy happened to also be an example of the adventurous and bold personality which all Americans should strive to emmulate. His only fault was his imperialism.

Don't forget the frequent human rights abuses.

Literally every government on the planet - not an ideological position. Sometimes you'll get a great third positionist state, like Singapore - sometimes you'll get a bad one - like Iraq. Funny though, the Marxian ones always seem to go to shit...

[Sordhau]

All you did was list different kinds of Fascism.

hmm, though ideologically ignorant, I could certainly see how you got to that point. Fascism in itself is pretty vague, differing from country to country and era - but it's roots ( nationalism and romanticism ) are definetly present in all of the aforementioned groups. I agree that neither Iraq under Saddam nor Argentina under Peron are example which should be emmulated - but if you're trying to say that France under De Gaulle, Singapore under Yew, and Korea under Park were examples of fascism, then I think you have inadvertently complimented the system.

Considering what De Gaulle did in Algeria, Yew's anti-worker and pro-elite policies, and Park just being a typical nepotistic autocrat I'd say there's nothing complimentary about any of them.

Of course! They're the most obvious inspirations for any conception of American Third Position: Strong man leaders who didn't refrain from using their authority to clamp down on the power of big business for the benefit of the American people, while also asserting America's position on the global scale against external threats. I hesistate to say Teddy was the superior of the two - both were fantastic - but Teddy happened to also be an example of the adventurous and bold personality which all Americans should strive to emmulate. His only fault was his imperialism.

Bit inconsistent that you simultaneously admire men who stood up to big business *and* men who stood for big business.

Literally every government on the planet - not an ideological position. Sometimes you'll get a great third positionist state, like Singapore - sometimes you'll get a bad one - like Iraq. Funny though, the Marxian ones always seem to go to shit...

Probably has something to do with trying to apply an ideology designed for wealthy industrialized capitalist societies to poor agrarian feudal societies not working out very well.

[Nilokeras]

It's your right as an American Mr. Dixie to be upset, however our decision is final. Please step away from the counter, other customers with money are waiting.

(Ok OOC, maybe i should have read more into the comment i was replying to, my bad but this is not helping my reply nerves. I think you may be a nice individual)

(I can Recognize the faults of things but quite honestly I could care less about my rights if it means I'll get to Canada for someone that cares about me... It feels like an insult being compared to a "poor Civilian" and my opinion leans towards you are trolling....)

Ah there's that thin smear of ideological mayonnaise again - where it's apparently an insult to compare you, one of the American apparatchik class, to one of those people who don't have the means to pick up sticks and flew the country.

When it's fleeing the Iron Curtain and being unable to get the transit passes to get to the West it's a tragedy and a sobering corrective against the evils of communism, when it's being unable to afford it because mobility and having cash reserves is the province of a select few, it's normal.