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Iskanistan wrote:Thats political tribalism in action for you. It's not where you stand on some issues, but about tribal affilinations. You give the signals of a "hostile" tribe to the people you had problems with and signals of a "friendly" tribe to those with whom you get around, even if you otherwise disagree with them.

I have seen this trend appearing amongst many westerners in the recent years. Previously that was not there, its a very big change in political and social culture that has happened in the past 7-8 years or so.

This is my first time hearing about "political tribalism". Can you explain what your label does to the message I conveyed in response to the OP?

Salus Maior wrote:

The New Rio Grande wrote:Why yes there is an end.
It’s when you Realize that the “Alt-right extremists” and their “Brainwashed pipeline followers” aren’t going to do anything. They’re just gonna sit around in their little discord ‘safe spaces’ whilst those who live up on the “Moral Highground” continue to talk about them as if they’re gonna take over the world.

Until they commit shootings like the Christchurch and Buffalo guys.

Come on, it's not like the most watched right wing commentator has boosted calls to violence against children's hospitals or anything like that.

Bovad wrote:

Free Algerstonia wrote:i think the alt-left pipeline is a greater concern

Iskanistan wrote:The alt-right died years ago.

Looks like we've found our first two!

>Has a different opinion than me in a discussion thread therefore the enemy

I personally was Conservative.
But now I'm liberal, yet I'm still finding myself siding with right wingers than anything on the left.
I am Non Religious. Gay rights allowed, Pro border (unless through marriage than they are a citizen no matter where in the world), Legalizing Polygamy. Legalizing Drug Use, and Lgbtq Rights. Yet I still find myself against the Democrat Establishment. I mean it's not that hard to believe. Democrats ran the south in the past and was Pro Slavery.-

I'm getting off topic.

I think the Internet isn't Radicalizing people. It's letting people find out what's true and what isn't.

Southern Republic of Dixie wrote:I personally was Conservative.
But now I'm liberal, yet I'm still finding myself siding with right wingers than anything on the left.
I am Non Religious. Gay rights allowed, Pro border (unless through marriage than they are a citizen no matter where in the world), Legalizing Polygamy. Legalizing Drug Use, and Lgbtq Rights. Yet I still find myself against the Democrat Establishment. I mean it's not that hard to believe. Democrats ran the south in the past and was Pro Slavery.

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Because they were the more conservative party back in the day. That changed.

I think the Internet isn't Radicalizing people. It's letting people find out what's true and what isn't.

If people care to seek it out. The internet has also let loony conspiracy theories like QAnon, COVID denialism, and "transes are grooming your kids" run rampant.

Internet can brainwash anyone these days. With fake news, and good fake sources, you can fool tens of thousands, or millions. There's been alot of fake news these days, 1 for example is in TikTok.
(Off-topic, not about politics, but is kind-of a part of this problem or something)

Anagonia wrote:

Iskanistan wrote:Thats political tribalism in action for you. It's not where you stand on some issues, but about tribal affilinations. You give the signals of a "hostile" tribe to the people you had problems with and signals of a "friendly" tribe to those with whom you get around, even if you otherwise disagree with them.

I have seen this trend appearing amongst many westerners in the recent years. Previously that was not there, its a very big change in political and social culture that has happened in the past 7-8 years or so.

This is my first time hearing about "political tribalism". Can you explain what your label does to the message I conveyed in response to the OP?

I am genuinely surprised you didn came across the term before. Its commonly brought up in various OpEds those days.

Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:Internet can brainwash anyone these days. With fake news, and good fake sources, you can fool tens of thousands, or millions. There's been alot of fake news these days, 1 for example is in TikTok.
(Off-topic, not about politics, but is kind-of a part of this problem or something)

TikTok is full of laughably fake stuff, yeah.

Everyone knows Pepto-Bismol is a better marinade than Nyquil.

Necroghastia wrote:

Kingdom of Intermaria wrote:Internet can brainwash anyone these days. With fake news, and good fake sources, you can fool tens of thousands, or millions. There's been alot of fake news these days, 1 for example is in TikTok.
(Off-topic, not about politics, but is kind-of a part of this problem or something)

TikTok is full of laughably fake stuff, yeah.

Everyone knows Pepto-Bismol is a better marinade than Nyquil.

I don't watch TikTok dramas after 2020, so I don't know who or what Pepeto-Bismol and Nyquil is.

Anagonia wrote:

Iskanistan wrote:Thats political tribalism in action for you. It's not where you stand on some issues, but about tribal affilinations. You give the signals of a "hostile" tribe to the people you had problems with and signals of a "friendly" tribe to those with whom you get around, even if you otherwise disagree with them.

I have seen this trend appearing amongst many westerners in the recent years. Previously that was not there, its a very big change in political and social culture that has happened in the past 7-8 years or so.

This is my first time hearing about "political tribalism". Can you explain what your label does to the message I conveyed in response to the OP?

Basically people not caring about the actual arguments another "side" is presenting, but rather resorting to a version of tribalism ("me side good, they side bad" type of shit). So, a [insert member of political tribe here] yelling "ALL [members of opposing political tribe] SHOULD DIE!" would be considered "political tribalism", which it seems you described through encounters with certain leftists.

Iskanistan wrote:I am genuinely surprised you didn came across the term before. Its commonly brought up in various OpEds those days.

Apologies. I am not of a higher-education, and I mean to convey that term endearingly. I got my GED in 2018 and am generally self-taught in most social issues. Most of the education I did receive up to grade 12 (which is when I originally dropped out due to family death) was very, drastically different than what I am conveyed is being taught now. It has been an interesting process, for example, to adapt to making sure I ask people their preferred pronouns or what gender they'd appreciate being termed as.

I remember my grandparents, how kind they were, and how they wondered at us. And I think now I understand that wonder, haha.

But yes, my original question rephrased. How does your expression help convey what I stated? Help me understand.

Gepanzerberg wrote:Basically people not caring about the actual arguments another "side" is presenting, but rather resorting to a version of tribalism ("me side good, they side bad" type of shit). So, a [insert member of political tribe here] yelling "ALL [members of opposing political tribe] SHOULD DIE!" would be considered "political tribalism", which it seems you described through encounters with certain leftists.

I see! So what I've experienced is the bad side of these groups rather than the norm. I appreciate the clarification. I admit my experiences have made me cautious somewhat to political debate, for example, out of fear of further altercations. Perhaps I have been influenced negatively in that regard? Thank you for the explanation.

Iskanistan wrote:The alt-right died years ago.

Technically, you're right, as the so-called "alternative" right is now the mainstream.

Yokashai Israel wrote:I used to be one of those edgy right-wingers because at the time I thought it was cool and counterculture and I only got out of it when I found God and converted to Judaism. Funny how those things end up. I guess the first time I was "radicalized" was when I was just lonely and watching Louder With Crowder but I was never on 4chan except for like once after the election in 2020. Nowadays I'd say I'm pretty much in the center. There are ways out of it but the person in question has to realize it and they usually don't.
TL;DR: Was radicalized on YT, not right-wing anymore, there is a way out it's just not easy.

Very similar experience though for me it was GamerGate (which I still agree with too an extent).

That’s what got me into the alt right... I finally left it after I saw what damage it caused ^{(and still is causing)}, how much it ^{(along with standard authoritarian conservatism)} fuels boomers’ horrific mentality.

• That’s when I tapped out permanently!

Bovad wrote:

Free Algerstonia wrote:i think the alt-left pipeline is a greater concern

Iskanistan wrote:The alt-right died years ago.

Looks like we've found our first two!

im going through the alt right pipeline right now and let me just say the alt-right is perfectly harmless compared to socialism

Free Algerstonia wrote:

Bovad wrote:
Looks like we've found our first two!

im going through the alt right pipeline right now and let me just say the alt-right is perfectly harmless compared to socialism

Highly recommended by nine out of ten plumbers.

Stellar Colonies wrote:

Free Algerstonia wrote:im going through the alt right pipeline right now and let me just say the alt-right is perfectly harmless compared to socialism

Highly recommended by nine out of ten plumbers.

Ba-dum-tshhhhh

Necroghastia wrote:Because they were the more conservative party back in the day. That changed.

Meh, being from the south myself. I dislike racial divides. Red Lining is a serious problem for northerners aswell.

If people care to seek it out. The internet has also let loony conspiracy theories like QAnon, COVID denialism, and "transes are grooming your kids" run rampant.

That is a problem sure, but people have dumb idea's.

The internet has to have good, and bad ideas. That's humanity.
One minute can be watching a cat video. Next Minute Hitler is on the Screen .

"Qanon" has no influence in my opinion
"Covid Denialism" is a Dumb thing . That goes to Anti Vaxers aswell.
"Transes grooming your kids" isn't happening. It's just media squabble between the left and right

Hell, Republicans say These Topics shouldn't be told to kids. (Kindergarden age "Don't say Gay Bill")
I think they should be allowed to know. Freedom of Knowledge, with Parental Consent.

But I find Democrats encourage crime...
And yet it isn't talked about when it's a Republican who died...

I dislike cashbail For Republican who Encourage Crime
And For Democrat's who get away with encouraging Crimes

A civil war isn't happening?
January 6th insurrection happened they say. So isn't that evidence of a civil war than?

I am happy the Democrats have come around on saying it is basically a civil war as of recent months.
I still Find it sad for the Woman who was shot that day....

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I do however agree Transphobia is a Dumb thing. They are humans just like anyone else.

If pedophiles get into the mix..
Transgender individuals will Deal With the Pedophile.

I think there is a group based on that but idk.

If there is anything Ignorant please do call me out on it. I may roll it back or Disagree I like a good debate ^_^

Free Algerstonia wrote:

Bovad wrote:
Looks like we've found our first two!

im going through the alt right pipeline right now and let me just say the alt-right is perfectly harmless compared to socialism

Do you get bullied at school?

Erablegensstan wrote:

Free Algerstonia wrote:im going through the alt right pipeline right now and let me just say the alt-right is perfectly harmless compared to socialism

Do you get bullied at school?

the teachers bully me all the time when they teach me about critical race theory and the discredited evolution theory

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:-snip-

I was really into gamergate too and still agree with some of it as well, but for me it was peak 2016 Trump election stuff

Free Algerstonia wrote:

Erablegensstan wrote:
Do you get bullied at school?

the teachers bully me all the time when they teach me about critical race theory and the discredited evolution theory

I demand evidence that the "theory" of evolution is "discredited".

Tsardom of Alaska wrote:

Free Algerstonia wrote:the teachers bully me all the time when they teach me about critical race theory and the discredited evolution theory

I demand evidence that the "theory" of evolution is "discredited".

https://www.conservapedia.com/Counterex ... _Evolution does a fantastic job at destroying the liberal christianphobic narrative on evolution

Tsardom of Alaska wrote:

Free Algerstonia wrote:the teachers bully me all the time when they teach me about critical race theory and the discredited evolution theory

I demand evidence that the "theory" of evolution is "discredited".

Alger is a shitposter.

Free Algerstonia wrote:

Tsardom of Alaska wrote:I demand evidence that the "theory" of evolution is "discredited".

https://www.conservapedia.com/Counterex ... _Evolution does a fantastic job at destroying the liberal christianphobic narrative on evolution

I don't think it's Christian phobic to believe in evolution...

Certain Christians believe God Made Evolution a Thing so things could change.

Mostly the Concept of a God is a Moral Goal for those who wish to Follow a Good Belief and feeling down on themselves.

I believe we need no God to be better people.