Right-wing Extremism: Online Radicalism, Radicalization

[The King Isle]

Well, if murder was legalized, people wouldn't be going to jail as much, so that's a start

Yeah that's never going to happen.
Distributing Bad Drugs is a Crime. So we can agree when it kills someone its a Crime.

But doing it recreationally has no harm.

I agree with Legal Recreational Drugs

[Floofybit]

This is a game of parties. This is a game of truths. Slavery was bad so it was outlawed. Prolife is not bad, so it will not be outlawed. Anti illegal immigration is not bad so it will not be outlawed

Shooting guns in schools is not bad so it will not be outlawed.

Who said I was pro school shooter?

[Untecna]

And there we have it, they admit to plugging their ears and throwing a temper tantrum

That's not plugging ears, it's an opinion. They have a right to free speech.

They literally put the meaning of their post to be "I won't listen to you because you don't have my opinions".

As if that's an appropriate way to debate.

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

This is a game of parties. This is a game of truths. Slavery was bad so it was outlawed. Prolife is not bad, so it will not be outlawed. Anti illegal immigration is not bad so it will not be outlawed

Shooting guns in schools is not bad so it will not be outlawed.

Guns have always been a culture since the start of the nation. It wasn't a problem before until the people started having problems at home.
I think cops or trusted fire arm personal should be on staff incase of such an event.

[Floofybit]

That's not plugging ears, it's an opinion. They have a right to free speech.

They literally put the meaning of their post to be "I won't listen to you because you don't have my opinions".

As if that's an appropriate way to debate.

I never said I wouldn't listen. I said that I wouldnt agree

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

That's not plugging ears, it's an opinion. They have a right to free speech.

They literally put the meaning of their post to be "I won't listen to you because you don't have my opinions".

As if that's an appropriate way to debate.

Free speech. Can't make a horse drink. Don't force em.

I never said I wouldn't listen. I said that I wouldnt agree

Glad I was right. And you have a right to an opinion.

[North Korea Choson]

Shooting guns in schools is not bad so it will not be outlawed.

Who said I was pro school shooter?

A lot of pro-life persons are.
Many people have abortion as they do not have enough money.
I rather abort a baby than bring him into this world while I can barely pay my bills.
There no ulterior motive or agenda that we are destroying humanity by doing abortion.

[Untecna]

They literally put the meaning of their post to be "I won't listen to you because you don't have my opinions".

As if that's an appropriate way to debate.

I never said I wouldn't listen. I said that I wouldnt agree

I'll quote you directly here:

"You can explain it as many times as you want. But it's still murder"

That isn't saying "I'll listen but I won't agree", that's saying "I won't listen and therefore I won't agree".

[Floofybit]

Who said I was pro school shooter?

A lot of pro-life persons are.
Many people have abortion as they do not have enough money.
I rather abort a baby than bring him into this world while I can barely pay my bills.
There no ulterior motive or agenda that we are destroying humanity by doing abortion.

Fine. Let's go kill all the babies in third world countries because they don't get paid the same as us

[Yuyuko Fumo]

Rightly attributed to democrats but wrongly attributed to liberals (in the american sense).
Those were conservative democrats who were on modern day terms right wing.
Left winger liberal democrats like Hubert Humphrey and Mondale etc were liberal democrats who were against segregation.
Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history.
Pro Monarchy, Anti Women Rights (Abortion, opposition to ERA), opposition to integration ( Southern democrats, barry goldwater etc.)
So yes right wingers were using the boot.

Wrong side?! What's wrong with monarchy? Britain looks nice and fine. Pro-abortion? Ah yes, let's kill kids for fun. Anti-drug? Like it should be. This is the wrong side for you. But the right side is for me. And should be right for many others

That’s something the left always seems to forget. Not everything they consider to be the wrong side is the same for every other party.

[Floofybit]

I never said I wouldn't listen. I said that I wouldnt agree

I'll quote you directly here:

"You can explain it as many times as you want. But it's still murder"

That isn't saying "I'll listen but I won't agree", that's saying "I won't listen and therefore I won't agree".

No. I have a firm standpoint. I will not be swung

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

I never said I wouldn't listen. I said that I wouldnt agree

I'll quote you directly here:

"You can explain it as many times as you want. But it's still murder"

That isn't saying "I'll listen but I won't agree", that's saying "I won't listen and therefore I won't agree".

But they did listen? Just cause they wont change isn't not listening.

[HISPIDA]

what

I think that is sarcasm.

yeah mb

(Although Communist still opposed basic rights).

to quote brain4breakfast, "now that's an outright porky"

Revolutionaries since the early 20th century have been trying to abolish the nuclear family, for example, and yet I would say most of us still grew up in families.

this isn't really a "revolutionary" ideal and more specific to marx and engel's theories. they called it something like "the most hostile desire of the communists" or something similar IIRC, should probably reread it

Marx predicted that capitalist economies would transition toward socialism in the future, but they held firm.

this isn't 100% true

what marx predicted is that capitalism, due to its inherent self-contradictions, will eventually collapse under its own weight. this was further described by lenin's definition of a cyclical imperialism and further described by mao's theory on contradiction. this is very evident even today, and we are seeing the contradictions of capitalism become more and more apparent!

The nihilists of the 19th century thought anarchy and collapse of society was inveitable and imminent - but they were wrong, now weren't they?

unfortunately, yes

What conservative means varies by era and location, so saying that they always lose when not every proposed political change happens is kind of ridiculous

modern conservatism by and large is just another brand of liberalism descending from locke and smith, upholding capitalism, property ownership, individualism, wage labor, &c. --- especially in the united states, given that the founders had no connection to european conservatism and toryism. classical conservatism is all but dead in the water in most countries.

[North Korea Choson]

A lot of pro-life persons are.
Many people have abortion as they do not have enough money.
I rather abort a baby than bring him into this world while I can barely pay my bills.
There no ulterior motive or agenda that we are destroying humanity by doing abortion.

Fine. Let's go kill all the babies in third world countries because they don't get paid the same as us

So you want the baby to starve or how about child labour I guess?

Plus I support a term based abortion rule.

[HISPIDA]

A lot of pro-life persons are.
Many people have abortion as they do not have enough money.
I rather abort a baby than bring him into this world while I can barely pay my bills.
There no ulterior motive or agenda that we are destroying humanity by doing abortion.

Fine. Let's go kill all the babies in third world countries because they don't get paid the same as us

isn't that what we're doing already?

[Floofybit]

Fine. Let's go kill all the babies in third world countries because they don't get paid the same as us

So you want the baby to starve or how about child labour I guess?

Plus I support a term based abortion rule.

Adoption. Adoption exists

[Floofybit]

Fine. Let's go kill all the babies in third world countries because they don't get paid the same as us

isn't that what we're doing already?

If it is, that's not okay. We should not kill anyone. That's a sin

[North Korea Choson]

1)What does mb mean?
2)What was the meaning of the Porky sentence?

[North Korea Choson]

So you want the baby to starve or how about child labour I guess?

Plus I support a term based abortion rule.

Adoption. Adoption exists

How many babies are you gonna adopt.
100-200?
Plus in many cases (in mostly 3rd world countries). Parents keep the child but then the child has to do menial tasks because he is just an extra mouth to feed.

[Floofybit]

Adoption. Adoption exists

How many babies are you gonna adopt.
100-200?
Plus in many cases (in mostly 3rd world countries). Parents keep the child but then the child has to do menial tasks because he is just an extra mouth to feed.

So you're saying, I don't have much money, time to kill myself because of it? That's not cool.

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

isn't that what we're doing already?

If it is, that's not okay. We should not kill anyone. That's a sin

Don't think anyone has to believe in sin. To know that's wrong.

[North Korea Choson]

How many babies are you gonna adopt.
100-200?
Plus in many cases (in mostly 3rd world countries). Parents keep the child but then the child has to do menial tasks because he is just an extra mouth to feed.

So you're saying, I don't have much money, time to kill myself because of it? That's not cool.

You just take things out of context. sigh.

[Krasny-Volny]

In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?

• How have you gotten out of it?
• Have you know anyone that has gone further?
• Is there an end?

Here's the problem. This "pipeline" or "rabbit hole" exists solely online. People who don't spend much time on the internet aren't exposed to it at all. The vast majority of internet users skim the surface and don't "fall down" enough into the material to become radicalized.

It is a minority of people susceptible to this type of radicalizing material and too much time on their hands that begin substituting it for reality. That goes for a lot of movements that draw their base primarily from the internet, whether we're talking about various "alt right" causes or those sexist ones mostly populated by men too lazy, insecure, or immature to get a date.

I know two men like this. Both were unemployed at the time, and their language and rhetoric became increasingly radical as a result of becoming enforced shut-ins during Covid. Social isolation, boredom, and too much idle time to surf the web caused them to become brainwashed.

Here's my takeaway: practice self-censorship. Remember that what you think about for the majority of the day will shape your perceptions, beliefs, and philosophies, and there are a million people out there who know that - everybody from marketing agencies to political, religious, and social extremists... all looking for the next sucker. Even if you don't think very highly of something like the so-called "alt-right", if you spend a majority of your day reading their material they will have already won. The majority of your thinking that day, both conscious and subconscious, will be dominated by their language. Spend too much time reading that material, and you will start to believe. Their words will begin making sense. You'll start seeing valid points in their narrative. It's the most heinous form of radicalization, because they don't have to do anything aside from post their propaganda. You're radicalizing yourself by reading it.

There comes a time when you just have to make a conscious decision to say "no", walk away from the screen, and know to stay away from this stuff.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's hard to detach the narratives around "radicalisation" from the failure of the so-called political centre to satisfy the material and identity-based needs of large portions of the population. And it's equally hard to detach it from the same "political centre's" arrogance in assuming that it's automatically entitled to everybody else's support.

Being "radical" is essentially neutral from my perspective because the positions of centrists frequently seem equally or more detached from reality than left or right wing extremists.

[Southern Republic of Dixie]

So you're saying, I don't have much money, time to kill myself because of it? That's not cool.

You just take things out of context. sigh.

A Parent will take any means necessary to make sure that child survives.