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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:45 pm

After some consideration, Posadist Communism is OK, thanks for coming to my TED talk.
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Postby Nieraland » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:43 pm

Communism is an oppressive ideology that has killed far more people throughout the world than any other ideology. It is dangerous and should be treated with caution in the same way that fascism and national socialism are.

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Postby Bovad » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:51 pm

Nieraland wrote:Communism is an oppressive ideology that has killed far more people throughout the world than any other ideology. It is dangerous and should be treated with caution in the same way that fascism and national socialism are.

NSG anticommunists look a couple pages back in the thread for a thourgh debunking of what their saying challenge.
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Postby Sagadahock » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:54 pm

Bovad wrote:
Nieraland wrote:Communism is an oppressive ideology that has killed far more people throughout the world than any other ideology. It is dangerous and should be treated with caution in the same way that fascism and national socialism are.

NSG anticommunists look a couple pages back in the thread for a thourgh debunking of what their saying challenge.

Except you haven't really debunked anything. In fact, we've proven that the USSR oppressed religion very recently.
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Postby Informed Consent » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:59 pm

Nieraland wrote:Communism is an oppressive ideology that has killed far more people throughout the world than any other ideology. It is dangerous and should be treated with caution in the same way that fascism and national socialism are.

If only we had thought so in the US.
We made fascism the primary bogeyman, because the American Left preferred communism, but we had to temper how vitriolic we were about it to spare the feelings of all the fascists we adopted to build our missiles and rockets.

After public education had its way, the last three generations of American kids typically walked out of K-12 with very little objective knowledge of fascism or communism, and the universities do not improve upon the situation much.
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Postby Bovad » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:11 pm

Sagadahock wrote:
Bovad wrote:NSG anticommunists look a couple pages back in the thread for a thourgh debunking of what their saying challenge.

Except you haven't really debunked anything. In fact, we've proven that the USSR oppressed religion very recently.

No, i have proven that you people fail to use basic logic in your claims-how could someone lie about a well known punishment for something that was repeatedly conducted.
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Postby Sagadahock » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:15 pm

Bovad wrote:
Sagadahock wrote:Except you haven't really debunked anything. In fact, we've proven that the USSR oppressed religion very recently.

No, i have proven that you people fail to use basic logic in your claims-how could someone lie about a well known punishment for something that was repeatedly conducted.
...
Because it wasn't punished?
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The Colony of Sagadahock was a Colony of British America, and later the 14 Colonies, from 1664 to 1775, when the colony declared independence in tandom with it's sister colony of Maine. The colony was one of the first to declare independence.

Newcastle General Chronicle: The Trade Commission has recently legalized other forms of Christianity to be practiced in Sagadahock, in order to increase the colony's small population. The Colonies of New Somersetshire, Lygonia, Falmouth, and New Hampshire have united to form the Province of Maine, by order of the King.
DATE: October 19th, 1703
LEADER: Hosea Whitlock (Commissioner of the Board of Sagadahock)
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Postby Bovad » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:20 pm

Sagadahock wrote:
Bovad wrote:No, i have proven that you people fail to use basic logic in your claims-how could someone lie about a well known punishment for something that was repeatedly conducted.
...
Because it wasn't punished?

https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... /01/12.htm
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:23 pm

Bovad wrote:
Sagadahock wrote:...
Because it wasn't punished?

https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... /01/12.htm


Imagine pretending that a letter which was (as alleged by "Marxists.org") written by Stalin and published in Pravda to be proof of anything...

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Postby Laasmistan » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:23 pm

Bovad wrote:
Sagadahock wrote:...
Because it wasn't punished?

https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... /01/12.htm


You know, politicians can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they always remain true to their word. I'm not sure if you saw my previous comment, but I do actually know of Jews whose families fled the USSR due to rampant anti-semitism. It was a very real problem so how about listening to accounts from actual victims instead of brushing it off as propaganda or simply no big deal.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:27 pm

Bovad wrote:
Sagadahock wrote:...
Because it wasn't punished?

https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... /01/12.htm

If you had an ounce of self-reflection, you'd read up on the Doctors' Plot and persecution of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee instead of spamming the same old Stalin's lies over and over.
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Postby Bovad » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:28 pm

American Legionaries wrote:


Imagine pretending that a letter which was (as alleged by "Marxists.org") written by Stalin and published in Pravda to be proof of anything...

As aledged by marxists.org and plenty of other sites
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:31 pm

Bovad wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Imagine pretending that a letter which was (as alleged by "Marxists.org") written by Stalin and published in Pravda to be proof of anything...

As aledged by marxists.org and plenty of other sites


Are there any trustworthy ones in that bunch?

Not that it matters, even if we assume that Stalin actually wrote that letter, it's utterly worthless in an attempt to prove the absence of anti-semitism within the USSR, much less the vast menagerie of other oppressive acts they engaged in.

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Postby Sagadahock » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:38 pm

Bovad wrote:
Sagadahock wrote:...
Because it wasn't punished?

https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... /01/12.htm

1: "Marxists.org", biased
2: Politicians, especially dictators, lie, all the goddamn time.
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The Colony of Sagadahock was a Colony of British America, and later the 14 Colonies, from 1664 to 1775, when the colony declared independence in tandom with it's sister colony of Maine. The colony was one of the first to declare independence.

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Postby Europa Undivided » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:42 pm

Bovad wrote:
Nieraland wrote:Communism is an oppressive ideology that has killed far more people throughout the world than any other ideology. It is dangerous and should be treated with caution in the same way that fascism and national socialism are.

NSG anticommunists look a couple pages back in the thread for a thourgh debunking of what their saying challenge.

aww the Stalin simp is sad
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Postby Nilokeras » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:44 pm

Let's remember that Stalin was a master at the useful trick of navigating policy failures by way of the classic 'blame the subordinates' defense: if a policy succeeded, it was due to the his sterling leadership. If it failed, or like the Great Purge became unpopular, he could simply announce that he was appalled at the power-grabbing and overzealous actions of his subordinates and that they would be punished at once. The USSR being ideologically anti- antisemitism and also its state organs engaging in antisemitic tropes or actions when it was convenient (such as in denouncing a perceived threat) are two facts that can coexist with one another.

And contrariwise let's also remember that if you were a Jewish person in 1930's Europe, you were probably a lot safer in the USSR than you were in vast stretches of the rest of the continent. Antisemitism was incredibly common in pre-war and post-war Europe. That cover, however imperfect, probably saved a lot of Jewish lives where in other places they were handed off to the Nazis for extermination.
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Postby Big brained monkeys » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:48 pm

I dont like communism as historically communist countries have suppressive governments like the Eastern Block,USSR and China and they just killed anyone that disagree with them like protesting Eg Tienanmen square square, the famines in china and russia and lastly plus theirs corruption where there much more well off then their citizens
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Postby Veraguas » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:50 pm

Bovad wrote:
Sagadahock wrote:Except you haven't really debunked anything. In fact, we've proven that the USSR oppressed religion very recently.

No, i have proven that you people fail to use basic logic in your claims-how could someone lie about a well known punishment for something that was repeatedly conducted.


The irony of a tankie telling someone they "fail to use basic logic" is astounding.
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Postby Europa Undivided » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:52 pm

Veraguas wrote:
Bovad wrote:No, i have proven that you people fail to use basic logic in your claims-how could someone lie about a well known punishment for something that was repeatedly conducted.

Does anyone even take tankies seriously anymore?
The irony of a tankie telling someone they "fail to use basic logic" is astounding.
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Postby Bovad » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:54 pm

Veraguas wrote:
Bovad wrote:No, i have proven that you people fail to use basic logic in your claims-how could someone lie about a well known punishment for something that was repeatedly conducted.


The irony of a tankie telling someone they "fail to use basic logic" is astounding.

"Maybeyou have arguements I have not managed to fina a hole in, but youre a tankie so I win."
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:55 pm

if tankies are so cool, then how come there isnt a tankie state
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Postby Bovad » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:56 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:if tankies are so cool, then how come there isnt a tankie state

There are multiple and have been more in the past.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:56 pm

Bovad doesn't have a real argument against actual historical examples (Doctors' Plot and persecution of the JAC), so naturally they must pick fights against posts that don't mention those examples. Sad!
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Postby Veraguas » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:58 pm

Bovad wrote:
Veraguas wrote:
The irony of a tankie telling someone they "fail to use basic logic" is astounding.

"Maybeyou have arguements I have not managed to fina a hole in, but youre a tankie so I win."


I have yet to see a genuine argument from you. All I see is blind Stalin apologia.
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Postby Sagadahock » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:59 pm

Bovad wrote:
Veraguas wrote:
The irony of a tankie telling someone they "fail to use basic logic" is astounding.

"Maybeyou have arguements I have not managed to fina a hole in, but youre a tankie so I win."

I notice how you've ignored every single post that actually refutes what you say and only respond to insults.
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The Colony of Sagadahock was a Colony of British America, and later the 14 Colonies, from 1664 to 1775, when the colony declared independence in tandom with it's sister colony of Maine. The colony was one of the first to declare independence.

Newcastle General Chronicle: The Trade Commission has recently legalized other forms of Christianity to be practiced in Sagadahock, in order to increase the colony's small population. The Colonies of New Somersetshire, Lygonia, Falmouth, and New Hampshire have united to form the Province of Maine, by order of the King.
DATE: October 19th, 1703
LEADER: Hosea Whitlock (Commissioner of the Board of Sagadahock)
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