What do you think of Communism

[Bovad]

Eh, i like religious freedom better. Good-ish before secularism and state owned sectors.

There is nothing against religon in communism.

[Royal Frankia]

Yeah, no. Communism has seen attacks on Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, ect. The Commune murdered a Catholic Priest, and the Republicans in Spain had no qualms murdering clergy. Communism in practice by the State is ruthless, and has no qualms killing off their rivals.

[Informed Consent]

Eh, i like religious freedom better. Good-ish before secularism and state owned sectors.

There is nothing against religon in communism.

It is itself a religion, proselytizing a singular philosophy, and like many before it, has mercilessly crusaded to forward itself over all others.
Though it lacks in the redeeming qualities that can be found in the classical Saracen, and even Frankish examples.

[Bovad]

There is nothing against religon in communism.

It is itself a religion, proselytizing a singular philosophy, and like many before it, has mercilessly crusaded to forward itself over all others.
Though it lacks in the redeeming qualities that can be found in the classical Saracen, and even Frankish examples.

I dont think you understand what a religon is.

[Kubra]

Yeah, no. Communism has seen attacks on Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, ect. The Commune murdered a Catholic Priest, and the Republicans in Spain had no qualms murdering clergy. Communism in practice by the State is ruthless, and has no qualms killing off their rivals.

Yeah then the communards were shot, buried in mass graves, and had a chintzy church built over em to show off how dead they are.

[Sea shep]

I personally think it will work if u manage to get the corruption down

[Cool Klub]

communism can suck my big fat balls

[Informed Consent]

It is itself a religion, proselytizing a singular philosophy, and like many before it, has mercilessly crusaded to forward itself over all others.
Though it lacks in the redeeming qualities that can be found in the classical Saracen, and even Frankish examples.

I dont think you understand what a religon is.

One definition is "a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."

Very loose, and serves as an explanatory mechanic as to why people often corrupt what should be secular philosophy, and even forensic studies with a fanaticism that is not appropriate to either institution, or situation.

[Kubra]

There is nothing against religon in communism.

It is itself a religion, proselytizing a singular philosophy, and like many before it, has mercilessly crusaded to forward itself over all others.
Though it lacks in the redeeming qualities that can be found in the classical Saracen, and even Frankish examples.

And what are these "redeeming qualities"?

[Sagadahock]

Eh, i like religious freedom better. Good-ish before secularism and state owned sectors.

There is nothing against religon in communism.

There literally is. We've shown that.

Yeah, no. Communism has seen attacks on Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, ect. The Commune murdered a Catholic Priest, and the Republicans in Spain had no qualms murdering clergy. Communism in practice by the State is ruthless, and has no qualms killing off their rivals.

Yeah then the communards were shot, buried in mass graves, and had a chintzy church built over em to show off how dead they are.

To be fair, it was a revolt/revolution. You're kinda supposed to kill them. It's not like the preist was revolting against the commune.

[Kubra]

There is nothing against religon in communism.

There literally is. We've shown that.

Yeah then the communards were shot, buried in mass graves, and had a chintzy church built over em to show off how dead they are.

To be fair, it was a revolt/revolution. You're kinda supposed to kill them. It's not like the preist was revolting against the commune.

Sure, during active combat. But as I'm sure you'd agree, folks who are captured or surrender probably ought to remain alive until such time as receiving a fair trial, which during the bloody week, well, wasn't really the case.

[Informed Consent]

It is itself a religion, proselytizing a singular philosophy, and like many before it, has mercilessly crusaded to forward itself over all others.
Though it lacks in the redeeming qualities that can be found in the classical Saracen, and even Frankish examples.

And what are these "redeeming qualities"?

I was being sarcastic, but there is at least the understandable attack/defend back and forth dynamic of parties taking things away from each other that initially belonged to neither one that we see all too often in history.
Communist cleansing of religious community and people typically falls under a more basic and baseless school of atrocity.
Soviet history in central Asia, for example, may be revised, denied, but probably not commemorated for whatever reason in poetry, and tapestry.
Just more misunderstood and half-forgotten elements of the fascist/communist struggle for "pure" democracy.

[Nilokeras]

Yeah, no. Communism has seen attacks on Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, ect. The Commune murdered a Catholic Priest, and the Republicans in Spain had no qualms murdering clergy. Communism in practice by the State is ruthless, and has no qualms killing off their rivals.

"There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

~ Mark Twain

[Informed Consent]

Yeah, no. Communism has seen attacks on Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, ect. The Commune murdered a Catholic Priest, and the Republicans in Spain had no qualms murdering clergy. Communism in practice by the State is ruthless, and has no qualms killing off their rivals.

"There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

~ Mark Twain

Great fiction writer with a terrible habit of drifting out of his lane philosophically.

[Nilokeras]

"There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

~ Mark Twain

Great fiction writer with a terrible habit of drifting out of his lane philosophically.

What specifically of that was wrong then

[Informed Consent]

Great fiction writer with a terrible habit of drifting out of his lane philosophically.

What specifically of that was wrong then

Besides being wholly out of context, and the two events being so separated by time, circumstance, and intent even from a French perspective as to make any metaphorical or allegorical references ridiculous on the face of it.
Specifically, the Crusader Era of the Levant is too cosmopolitan, and time consuming affair to squeeze down into the descriptive of "French Terror".

[Nilokeras]

Besides being wholly out of context, and the two events being so separated by time, circumstance, and intent even from a French perspective as to make any metaphorical or allegorical references ridiculous on the face of it.

... what two events?

Specifically, the Crusader Era of the Levant is too cosmopolitan, and time consuming affair to squeeze down into the descriptive of "French Terror".

I genuinely don't know how you got to the crusader states from a quote talking about our inherited historical amnesia around white terrors.

[Kubra]

"There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

~ Mark Twain

Great fiction writer with a terrible habit of drifting out of his lane philosophically.

you seem to be wildly misinterpreting. Perhaps the subject matter is "out of your lane"?

[Informed Consent]

Besides being wholly out of context, and the two events being so separated by time, circumstance, and intent even from a French perspective as to make any metaphorical or allegorical references ridiculous on the face of it.

... what two events?

Specifically, the Crusader Era of the Levant is too cosmopolitan, and time consuming affair to squeeze down into the descriptive of "French Terror".

I genuinely don't know how you got to the crusader states from a quote talking about our inherited historical amnesia around white terrors.

Brain fart.
I drunkenly swerved from Revolution, and the prior monarchy into the Revolution and Crusades.
Apologies.

Now that you mention it, why be exclusive with the amnesia?
Particularly in the face of the irony that French colonialism destroyed the most atrocious West African kingdom to terrorize its "own", so to speak.
As a descendent of free blacks, who along with native Americans collectively owned roughly one-third of US slaves, my own history is not entirely innocent.
Crap, think we are thread jacking at this point.

[Incelistan The Dearest]

It falls onto the wide extremist spectrum of "will only work if everyone involved agrees with it so it will only be sucessful in small scale societies"

[The2nd Galactic Empire]

Its only good if the Goverment dosnt become corrupt unlike the U.S.S.R di so ya.

[Informed Consent]

It falls onto the wide extremist spectrum of "will only work if everyone involved agrees with it so it will only be sucessful in small scale societies"

Humanity is only marginally successful in small scale societies, if our history teaches anything.
From Jericho to now, it is painfully clear that macro societies are not our bag, and the idea that as much of humanity as possible has to be monolithically standardized is the most atrocious concept we continue to plague ourselves with.

[Branicia]

It's a good idea in theory, just ever nation that's tried it has just executed it poorly

[Informed Consent]

It's a good idea in theory, just ever nation that's tried it has just executed it poorly

It cannot be executed any other way.
It is a recipe for disaster penned with a flourish in the guise of a savory dish.
An ideological Trojan Horse, if you will.

[Nilokeras]

None of those definitions except the last (which, lol) contradicts what I said. It is a label only ever deployed against societies who have social structures we can see because we're not acculturated to them, and ignores the fact that our own societies fit the label just as well.

This is an extremely disingenuous equivalence you're positing, not least because the boundaries of what we're genuinely allowed in "non-authoritarian" societies, as generally conceived, lie far beyond what one is allowed in, say, China. My country doesn't harvest my organs, nor does it criminalize non-coopted dissent, nor am I likely to be tortured under arrest. In addition I have much freer access to the Internet. This isn't just reducible to power structures being less "visible"; it also represents a qualitative difference.

The centering of your own personal experience here demonstrates the problems with this. You may not experience the blunt end of our society's authoritarianism, in the same way the average middle class person in China does not experience the blunt end of their society's authoritarianism. Class position, ethnicity/race, gender identity and religion all intermediate the ways society enforces its mandates on us.

See, for example, the famously draconian and Orwellian 'social credit' system in China. The vast majority of enforcement actions against individuals are for things like jaywalking, traffic violations, outstanding debts and various petty offenses like not paying fares on public transit. If you're an average middle class ethnic Chinese person, you're probably not going to get shot to death by a police officer by speeding. Or even for criticizing the Chinese government. An important component of authoritarian societies' self conceptions, after all, is that the state's force is only ever deployed against people who deserve it, not good law abiding people who sometimes run a red light. Ask a Uyghur person in Xinjiang about their experience with the Chinese state though and they'd probably tell you a different story.

As would a person in colour in a Southern urban centre in the US to the average white person. All of the same components of China's 'social credit' system exist there - ubiquitous surveillance, sweeping police powers of arrest and prosecution, even a literal credit system by the name of Equifax. The difference between the US and China in that regard is not between non-authoritarian and authoritarian societies, but in philosophies of control. Much of American society's enforcement apparatus is 'outsourced' to private entities like Equifax, and so it is invisible. That doesn't mean those apparatuses aren't there though. Just ask the Amazon union organizers who were surveilled by their employer or the LA county supervisor who made an enemy of the LAPD and had her house searched for compromising evidence.