What do you think of Communism

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

An adjacent ideology to Naziism of equal evil.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

I'm honestly surprised that this thread is still up and running.

An adjacent ideology to Naziism of equal evil.

And yes, absolutely. In some cases worst then the Nazis even.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I'm honestly surprised that this thread is still up and running.

An adjacent ideology to Naziism of equal evil.

And yes, absolutely. In some cases worst then the Nazis even.

To antisemites, sure.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

I'm honestly surprised that this thread is still up and running.


And yes, absolutely. In some cases worst then the Nazis even.

To antisemites, sure.

Is this the "if you're not a Communist you're a Nazi" comeback, or what?

[Point Blob]

Ok theyd sit in a room watching paint dry for 4 hours for a penny, doesn't really make a difference

It really does... but if you want to equate things that are completely different because they don't seem so from your perspective.... well, that is your choice to make.

I'm honestly surprised that this thread is still up and running.

You remember that issue about filibustering that keeps repeating every time you say that is how the system is working?
That reflects on a lot of threads here.

[Bemolian Lands]

Communism may sound good at first, but then it starts sounding gooder and gooder, hell yeah brother.

[Walikaistan]

As a Communist nation, I think Communism is good only if the leader isn't act like a dictator, example-Xi Jinping and Kim Jong Un.

[Tuscaria]

You came down to this southern town last Summer
To show the folks a brand new way of life
But all you've shown the folks around here is trouble
And you've only added misery to their strife
Your concern is not to help the people
And I'll say again, though it's been often said
Your concern is just to bring discomfort, my friend
And your policy is just a little red
Now, ain't I right? (Ain't he right?)
(Ain't he right?)
It matters not to you how people suffer
And should they, you'd consider that a gain
You bring a lot of trouble to the town and then you leave
That's part of your Communistic game
I detect a little Communisim
I can see it in the things you do
Communisim, socialism, call it what you like
There's very little difference in the two
Now, ain't I right? (Ain't he right?)
(Ain't he right?)
Your followers sometimes have been a bearded, hatless bunch
There's even been a minister or two
A priest, a nun, a rabbi, and an educated man
Have listened and been taken in by you
Aw, the country's full of two-faced politicians
Who encourage you with words that go like this
"Burn your draft card if you like, it's good to disagree"
That's a get aquainted Communistic kiss
Now, ain't I right? (Ain't he right?)
(Ain't he right?)
One politician said it would be nice to send some blood
And help the enemy in Vietnam
That's what he says, here's what I say
"Let's just keep the blood
Instead let's send that politician man"
Let's rid the country of the politicians
Who call us tramps that march out in our streets
Protesting those who wanna fight for freedom, my friend
This kind of leader makes our country weak
Now, ain't I right? (Ain't he right?)
(Ain't he right?)
Let's look and find the strong and able leaders
It's time we found just how our neighbours stand
If we're to win this war with Communism
Let's fight it here as well as Vietnam
Let's rise as one and meet our obligations
So Communistic boots will never trod
Across the fields of freedom that were given to us
With the blessing of our great almighty God
Across the fields of freedom that were given to us
With the blessing of our great almighty God

[Uminaku]

An adjacent ideology to Naziism of equal evil.

Communism: a classless, stateless, moneyless society through common ownership of the means of production.

Socialism: Social ownership of the means of production and firms. Class warfare. Elites and hierarchy must be destroyed. Things used/operated collectively (eg. factories, land, businesses) must be owned collectively.
- State Socialism: Means of production owned by the state. Often becomes tyrannical. (eg. USSR)
- Libertarian Socialism: Means of production owned by workers (cooperatives). (eg. Revolutionary Catalonia)

Nazism: Anti-Semitic fascism. All fascist economics is corporatist, ie. the economy is owned by corporations who work together with the government, and oftentimes the corporations become the government. Allied themselves with the elites to create a revolution, promising to protect their wealth from a democratic or communist revolution. Uses the guise of "class collaboration", convinces workers not to revolt, and likes the inequality and hierarchy which socialism tries to destroy. Because of this, the elites created by capitalism sometimes resort to supporting fascism if they feel a revolution against them is imminent. Supports private property and the profit motive, hates democracy and so-called ”Marxian Socialism". Always tyrannical.

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State socialism does cause tyranny, just like nazism. The pursuit of communism through state socialism causes a regression to state capitalism because the state becomes a separate class which does not represent the workers anymore, and starts acting exactly like the capitalist class. Yet that does not mean other forms of socialism and communism are evil. It just means hierarchy, wether that be by corporations or the state, is always evil.

[Galactic Powers]

I'm honestly surprised that this thread is still up and running.

This is NSG, almost every argument ends up discussing communism vs capitalism anyways

[The Astral Mandate]

Nazism: Anti-Semitic fascism. All fascist economics is corporatist, ie. the economy is owned by corporations who work together with the government, and oftentimes the corporations become the government. Allied themselves with the elites to create a revolution, promising to protect their wealth from a democratic or communist revolution. Uses the guise of "class collaboration", convinces workers not to revolt, and likes the inequality and hierarchy which socialism tries to destroy. Because of this, the elites created by capitalism sometimes resort to supporting fascism if they feel a revolution against them is imminent. Supports private property and the profit motive, hates democracy and so-called ”Marxian Socialism". Always tyrannical.

Soooooo... not social democracy?

[Clussy Paradise]

It's based

[Nantoraka]

It's really dumb

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

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All meaningful attempts at Communism have resulted in tyranny, murder, and exploitation, as Naziism did. The Catalan Communists and Spanish Republicans committed atrocities and murders across their controlled territory, especially against men and women of the clergy, desecrated holy places, and terrorised anyone whom stood against them, just as the Russians did, just as the Chinese do, just as the Cambodians did, just as the Korean Communists did, just as Communists everywhere have done or would do had they the power.

Communism and Naziism are equal ideologies of tyranny and murder with no belief in the inherent value of men, nor of sanctity, nor of peace and democracy. They never have, and never will.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

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All meaningful attempts at Communism have resulted in tyranny, murder, and exploitation, as Naziism did. The Catalan Communists and Spanish Republicans committed atrocities and murders across their controlled territory, especially against men and women of the clergy, desecrated holy places, and terrorised anyone whom stood against them, just as the Russians did, just as the Chinese do, just as the Cambodians did, just as the Korean Communists did, just as Communists everywhere have done or would do had they the power.

Communism and Naziism are equal ideologies of tyranny and murder with no belief in the inherent value of men, nor of sanctity, nor of peace and democracy. They never have, and never will.

But people will keep trying them out anyways.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

To antisemites, sure.

Is this the "if you're not a Communist you're a Nazi" comeback, or what?

It's "if you think communism is worse than the holocaust, then you musn't think Jewish lives are worth all that much.

[Kubra]

To antisemites, sure.

Is this the "if you're not a Communist you're a Nazi" comeback, or what?

It's a low effort response to a low-effort post. Reciprocity in action, innit?

[Umeria]

Ok theyd sit in a room watching paint dry for 4 hours for a penny, doesn't really make a difference

It really does... but if you want to equate things that are completely different because they don't seem so from your perspective.... well, that is your choice to make.

Lol I'm not equating them I'm saying it's ridiculous to say anyone would want to do either thing

[Urkennalaid]

Equating communism and fascism and what the Nazis did is straight up holocaust revisionism.

[Elwher]

Equating communism and fascism and what the Nazis did is straight up holocaust revisionism.

Depending on whose numbers you use, there were between 10 and 148 million killed by Communist regimes. Again, depending on the criteria used, fascist regimes, primarily Nazi Germany, killed around 13 million. So, equating Communist regimes to the Nazi ones is not that far out of line as, at the least, they only killed 3 million less, and at most, they killed 14 times as many.

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

Equating communism and fascism and what the Nazis did is straight up holocaust revisionism.

It isn’t revisionism to acknowledge that both committed mass murder on unimaginable scales to the point that both are equally evil. The Russians alone murdered millions during their reign of terror as the Soviet Union, committing genocide upon Ukrainians, Poles, Central Asians, Balts, Finns, and other peoples alike alongside the killings of their own people; the regime of China has murdered millions and continues to murder and commit genocide comparable to the Nazis. The crimes of other Communist regimes just add millions more bodies sacrificed to that ideology of blood.

[Urkennalaid]

Equating communism and fascism and what the Nazis did is straight up holocaust revisionism.

Depending on whose numbers you use, there were between 10 and 148 million killed by Communist regimes. Again, depending on the criteria used, fascist regimes, primarily Nazi Germany, killed around 13 million. So, equating Communist regimes to the Nazi ones is not that far out of line as, at the least, they only killed 3 million less, and at most, they killed 14 times as many.

I mean, most historians dispute this fact but alright.

[Elwher]

Depending on whose numbers you use, there were between 10 and 148 million killed by Communist regimes. Again, depending on the criteria used, fascist regimes, primarily Nazi Germany, killed around 13 million. So, equating Communist regimes to the Nazi ones is not that far out of line as, at the least, they only killed 3 million less, and at most, they killed 14 times as many.

I mean, most historians dispute this fact but alright.

Which fact?

[Uminaku]

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All meaningful attempts at Communism have resulted in tyranny, murder, and exploitation, as Naziism did. The Catalan Communists and Spanish Republicans committed atrocities and murders across their controlled territory, especially against men and women of the clergy, desecrated holy places, and terrorised anyone whom stood against them, just as the Russians did, just as the Chinese do, just as the Cambodians did, just as the Korean Communists did, just as Communists everywhere have done or would do had they the power.

Communism and Naziism are equal ideologies of tyranny and murder with no belief in the inherent value of men, nor of sanctity, nor of peace and democracy. They never have, and never will.

Many of the Catalan Communists massacred the clergy because the clergy supported the nationalist fascists, who in turn wanted to exterminate them. The USSR, Chinese, Koreans, and Spanish Republicans were state capitalists under the facade of socialism/communism. Just see how enterprises there, despite being owned or having significant state influence, still function completely for profit, and workers have no control. The Cambodians were just genocidal psychopaths, even fellow socialist countries widely condemned them. For countries to commit many violent acts like that is found everywhere throughout history, regardless of ideology (eg. The USA supporting borderline fascist dictatorships like Suharto in Indonesia or Pinochet in Chile). The only difference is that fascism and nazism directly puts murdering people as part of their ideology, making it evil by nature.

The fact you think socialism cannot be democratic is proof you don’t even know the definition of socialism.

[Point Blob]

It's "if you think communism is worse than the holocaust, then you musn't think Jewish lives are worth all that much.

Certainly not any more than anyone else's.