What do you think of Communism

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

Communism has failed over the last 100 years, if under the guise of socialism. Why shall it work now?
It’s like saying fascism works in the modern society. It worked back then when the people had no other answers, but today, the answer is democracy and private ownership.

[Germenia]

For me communism is kinda like an autocracy that controls peoples property, the way they live, forcing their own people to do harsh labor, give them a wage that makes them only be able to by bread, and makes people starve to death, take for example the soviet union

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

Communism has failed over the last 100 years, if under the guise of socialism. Why shall it work now?
It’s like saying fascism works in the modern society. It worked back then when the people had no other answers, but today, the answer is democracy and private ownership.

I support everyone owning a slice of the pie, that amazing wealth cake that you must work to enjoy.

If you want to say I’m a system of wage slavery, I’m really not. I get paid 3x more than a minimum wage worker as a caddy undergoing law school. It depends on what option you pick and choose. Corporations will exploit you. Communism will as well. There is no difference between several corporations ((private ownership)) and communism ((one owner)). I’d rather be broke but with a roof over my head than starving in the street, huddled in a bread line shivering.

[Elwher]

What you are neglecting is how the owner got the machine and the raw materials. These were not given to him as gifts from God, neither did he just happen upon them on his daily walk. He, or someone in his ancestry, worked to get the money necessary to buy them. He could have used that money to further his own enjoyment, instead, he risked it on a business venture which may or may not succeed. By risking his capital, he created an environment where your 10 people are getting a guaranteed cash income rather than risking their assets for a potential return. He is entitled to a return on this investment both to subsidize the risks and because of the creation of a stable income for the workers.

Which one risks their hands

And their salary compensates them for that risk. That is why file clerks do not make as much as high steel workers.

[German-Eurpean Union]

Communism has failed over the last 100 years, if under the guise of socialism. Why shall it work now?
It’s like saying fascism works in the modern society. It worked back then when the people had no other answers, but today, the answer is democracy and private ownership.

I support everyone owning a slice of the pie, that amazing wealth cake that you must work to enjoy.

If you want to say I’m a system of wage slavery, I’m really not. I get paid 3x more than a minimum wage worker as a caddy undergoing law school. It depends on what option you pick and choose. Corporations will exploit you. Communism will as well. There is no difference between several corporations ((private ownership)) and communism ((one owner)). I’d rather be broke but with a roof over my head than starving in the street, huddled in a bread line shivering.

Yea ofc socialism is going to fail if you have the largest economies actively work against you with sanctions blocades trade embargos (Cuba) or if completely bombed a country into the ground while poisening their population (Vietnam and for bombing also N.Korea) or if you had a World war scorch big portions of you territory population and industry (USSR) and before you bring up western europe and Japan they managed to rebuild so quickly due to US aid the Soviet Union had a way larger territory and population that needed to be fixed with way less means to do so...

[Kubra]

Which one risks their hands

And their salary compensates them for that risk. That is why file clerks do not make as much as high steel workers.

'Tis a poor trade, innit? To lose capital is to really not lose much, but to lose a hand is, you know, hands are very important things. Why, I use both of mine every day.

[German-Eurpean Union]

What you are neglecting is how the owner got the machine and the raw materials. These were not given to him as gifts from God, neither did he just happen upon them on his daily walk. He, or someone in his ancestry, worked to get the money necessary to buy them. He could have used that money to further his own enjoyment, instead, he risked it on a business venture which may or may not succeed. By risking his capital, he created an environment where your 10 people are getting a guaranteed cash income rather than risking their assets for a potential return. He is entitled to a return on this investment both to subsidize the risks and because of the creation of a stable income for the workers.

And how did they got the capital needed for such expansions in the first place most of the time through expliotation and nowdays its just given from God some people have the luck to be born in rich family and have enviorment that has all means to give them a good education so they can take on the family buisness afterwards or they are just born with a multi million dollar hedge fund/insurance plan its litterialy given from God.

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

Communism has failed over the last 100 years, if under the guise of socialism. Why shall it work now?
It’s like saying fascism works in the modern society. It worked back then when the people had no other answers, but today, the answer is democracy and private ownership.

I support everyone owning a slice of the pie, that amazing wealth cake that you must work to enjoy.

If you want to say I’m a system of wage slavery, I’m really not. I get paid 3x more than a minimum wage worker as a caddy undergoing law school. It depends on what option you pick and choose. Corporations will exploit you. Communism will as well. There is no difference between several corporations ((private ownership)) and communism ((one owner)). I’d rather be broke but with a roof over my head than starving in the street, huddled in a bread line shivering.

Yea ofc socialism is going to fail if you have the largest economies actively work against you with sanctions blocades trade embargos (Cuba) or if completely bombed a country into the ground while poisening their population (Vietnam and for bombing also N.Korea) or if you had a World war scorch big portions of you territory population and industry (USSR) and before you bring up western europe and Japan they managed to rebuild so quickly due to US aid the Soviet Union had a way larger territory and population that needed to be fixed with way less means to do so...

And North Korea turned into an autocratic dictatorship with no human rights and huge amounts of starvation.
Socialism failed the people of Ukraine during the Holodomor and the famines before the war, as well as state led purges like the White and Red Terrors.
What’s your excuse for China, where the largest amount died and where socialism has been bent to half-capitalism to keep the Chinese economy afloat?
Vietnamese socialism worked fine… until it didn’t after the war when the Soviet economy crashed and then their whole society fell into ruin. Bunch of Vietnam during the war was in fact not impacted. Most napalm bombs were used for clearing forests or wiping out troop movements. Major cities weren’t severely impacted.

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

And their salary compensates them for that risk. That is why file clerks do not make as much as high steel workers.

'Tis a poor trade, innit? To lose capital is to really not lose much, but to lose a hand is, you know, hands are very important things. Why, I use both of mine every day.

And workers would risk theirs hands in Kazakh steel mills to make railroads for Stalin’s 5 Year Plan. Please point out a difference for me.

[German-Eurpean Union]

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And North Korea turned into an autocratic dictatorship with no human rights and huge amounts of starvation.
Socialism failed the people of Ukraine during the Holodomor and the famines before the war, as well as state led purges like the White and Red Terrors.
What’s your excuse for China, where the largest amount died and where socialism has been bent to half-capitalism to keep the Chinese economy afloat?

1st North korea being a dictatorship doesnt justfiy the bombing idk for what you bring it up
3rd The holodemor was caused by stalins stupid genocidle ideals he saw Ukrainians and Kazaths as less worthy then Russians and had no probelems with having them die by the millions stealing millions of tons of grain from the Ukrainian people is not socialistic at all considering a big portion of which was sold to the global market it goes more into the direction of capitalism

3rd Uhm im not excusing anything? and maos famine wasnt caused by him being a socialist it was stupid paranoya his Great Leap Forward and natrual disasters it was Maos personal ideals and natural disasters not socialism. And you also dont understand Socialism it is suposed to be implimented after capitalism.


I also want to mention the fact that you brought nothing to counter the arguments made in my orginak message and i would like you to either counter them or admit being wrong in your next answer.

[German-Eurpean Union]

'Tis a poor trade, innit? To lose capital is to really not lose much, but to lose a hand is, you know, hands are very important things. Why, I use both of mine every day.

And workers would risk theirs hands in Kazakh steel mills to make railroads for Stalin’s 5 Year Plan. Please point out a difference for me.

That was for the development and the greater good of the entire nation not the profit of some share holders and board members.

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

And workers would risk theirs hands in Kazakh steel mills to make railroads for Stalin’s 5 Year Plan. Please point out a difference for me.

That was for the development and the greater good of the entire nation not the profit of some share holders and board members.

For a greater good they never lived to see because Stalin executed them for treason.

[German-Eurpean Union]

That was for the development and the greater good of the entire nation not the profit of some share holders and board members.

For a greater good they never lived to see because Stalin executed them for treason.

Yes thats called being a Dictator that isnt part of Socialism shit like that happens in most dictatorships regardloss if socialist or capitalist

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

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And North Korea turned into an autocratic dictatorship with no human rights and huge amounts of starvation.
Socialism failed the people of Ukraine during the Holodomor and the famines before the war, as well as state led purges like the White and Red Terrors.
What’s your excuse for China, where the largest amount died and where socialism has been bent to half-capitalism to keep the Chinese economy afloat?

1st North korea being a dictatorship doesnt justfiy the bombing idk for what you bring it up
3rd The holodemor was caused by stalins stupid genocidle ideals he saw Ukrainians and Kazaths as less worthy then Russians and had no probelems with having them die by the millions stealing millions of tons of grain from the Ukrainian people is not socialistic at all considering a big portion of which was sold to the global market it goes more into the direction of capitalism

3rd Uhm im not excusing anything? and maos famine wasnt caused by him being a socialist it was stupid paranoya his Great Leap Forward and natrual disasters it was Maos personal ideals and natural disasters not socialism. And you also dont understand Socialism it is suposed to be implimented after capitalism.


I also want to mention the fact that you brought nothing to counter the arguments made in my orginak message and i would like you to either counter them or admit being wrong in your next answer.

I brought answers you don’t want to listen to. What is the difference between the good of a state and the good of an individual? If I don’t understand, then you clearly lack a word of what communism and socialism is. Communism in practice has a much different design than in thesis.
North Korea was bombed for invading another country because the Soviets and America split them up into 2 blocs for their own amusement.

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

For a greater good they never lived to see because Stalin executed them for treason.

Yes thats called being a Dictator that isnt part of Socialism shit like that happens in most dictatorships regardloss if socialist or capitalist

And all movements outside of Western socialism including communism and your precious socialism turned into cruel, genocidal dictatorship.
Communism built a wall to keep its enslaved people in. Capitalism builds a wall to keep people out.

[German-Eurpean Union]

1st North korea being a dictatorship doesnt justfiy the bombing idk for what you bring it up
3rd The holodemor was caused by stalins stupid genocidle ideals he saw Ukrainians and Kazaths as less worthy then Russians and had no probelems with having them die by the millions stealing millions of tons of grain from the Ukrainian people is not socialistic at all considering a big portion of which was sold to the global market it goes more into the direction of capitalism

3rd Uhm im not excusing anything? and maos famine wasnt caused by him being a socialist it was stupid paranoya his Great Leap Forward and natrual disasters it was Maos personal ideals and natural disasters not socialism. And you also dont understand Socialism it is suposed to be implimented after capitalism.


I also want to mention the fact that you brought nothing to counter the arguments made in my orginak message and i would like you to either counter them or admit being wrong in your next answer.

I brought answers you don’t want to listen to. What is the difference between the good of a state and the good of an individual? If I don’t understand, then you clearly lack a word of what communism and socialism is. Communism in practice has a much different design than in thesis.
North Korea was bombed for invading another country because the Soviets and America split them up into 2 blocs for their own amusement.

No you didnt brought any answers to my original message just more arguments
I never said something like poor North Korea got bombed for no reason i just said they and the actually pretty good industrial bases they had as leftover from Japan got bombed into the ground they started of as a destroyed nations and are also heavily sanctioned (again not saying its for no reason they deserve it) which has a large effect on ANY nation and before you bring up Iran they didnt got bombed into dust. and no country was ever Communist they where ALL socialists most of them with some minor changes to fit the own situation like Leninism in early soviet Russia

[Osterreichische Nationalistische Republi]

I brought answers you don’t want to listen to. What is the difference between the good of a state and the good of an individual? If I don’t understand, then you clearly lack a word of what communism and socialism is. Communism in practice has a much different design than in thesis.
North Korea was bombed for invading another country because the Soviets and America split them up into 2 blocs for their own amusement.

No you didnt brought any answers to my original message just more arguments
I never said something like poor North Korea got bombed for no reason i just said they and the actually pretty good industrial bases they had as leftover from Japan got bombed into the ground they started of as a destroyed nations and are also heavily sanctioned (again not saying its for no reason they deserve it) which has a large effect on ANY nation and before you bring up Iran they didnt got bombed into dust. and no country was ever Communist they where ALL socialists most of them with some minor changes to fit the own situation like Leninism in early soviet Russia

Communism is unachievable, so just socialism.

[German-Eurpean Union]

Yes thats called being a Dictator that isnt part of Socialism shit like that happens in most dictatorships regardloss if socialist or capitalist

And all movements outside of Western socialism including communism and your precious socialism turned into cruel, genocidal dictatorship.
Communism built a wall to keep its enslaved people in. Capitalism builds a wall to keep people out.

Now you are just talking and ignoring my orginal message of why it is like that and socialism turned into dictatoships because only those could survive without being couped by the CIA and replaced with facist rigme (Chile as a example)

[German-Eurpean Union]

No you didnt brought any answers to my original message just more arguments
I never said something like poor North Korea got bombed for no reason i just said they and the actually pretty good industrial bases they had as leftover from Japan got bombed into the ground they started of as a destroyed nations and are also heavily sanctioned (again not saying its for no reason they deserve it) which has a large effect on ANY nation and before you bring up Iran they didnt got bombed into dust. and no country was ever Communist they where ALL socialists most of them with some minor changes to fit the own situation like Leninism in early soviet Russia

Communism is unachievable, so just socialism.

Would you mind answering to the message?

[Kubra]

'Tis a poor trade, innit? To lose capital is to really not lose much, but to lose a hand is, you know, hands are very important things. Why, I use both of mine every day.

And workers would risk theirs hands in Kazakh steel mills to make railroads for Stalin’s 5 Year Plan. Please point out a difference for me.

There isn't one. Which, of course, isn't a good look for those allocating capital in the soviet union.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If you really don’t understand the existence of profit, let me explain. A factory owner has a machine and buys $100 of raw materials. He employs someone to work. The worker use the machine and raw materials (means of production) to create finished products. The finished goods are sold and they receive $150, or a profit of $50. However, only $25 goes to the worker, and the surplus value is given to the owner. It does not matter if you determine this surplus value using the LTV (Labour Theory of Value) or STV (Subjective Theory of Value), because what matters is that capital not created by the owner is received by the owner. Why can’t the owner give all the money created to the worker? Because then the owner gets no profit, so what’s the point in starting a business? This is a capitalist market economy completely driven by profits, after all.

And the worker also a right to the machine itself. Let us say the owner has a $100 machine and employs 10 people to work there everyday. Everyday, the workers create $50 in revenue. By the second day, the workers have paid completely for the machine. The $100 invested in by the owner has been given back to the owner. But will the owner relinquish ownership? No. They will continue forcing the workers to generate money for them, so that they could receive more money than they originally invested — profit. The amount created by workers is always higher than the amount invested in by owners, because if it was equal and owners only receive the same amount of money they originally had, then the owners have no profit, and once again, what would be the point?

What you are neglecting is how the owner got the machine and the raw materials. These were not given to him as gifts from God, neither did he just happen upon them on his daily walk. He, or someone in his ancestry, worked to get the money necessary to buy them. He could have used that money to further his own enjoyment, instead, he risked it on a business venture which may or may not succeed. By risking his capital, he created an environment where your 10 people are getting a guaranteed cash income rather than risking their assets for a potential return. He is entitled to a return on this investment both to subsidize the risks and because of the creation of a stable income for the workers.

You do realise the circular logic of this, right? To measure someone's entitlement to capital to the fact that they 'risked' capital in order to achieve that capital, which is hardly an argument that will persuade those that do not think our society should be ordered along the lines of capital.

[The Pure Russia]

Communism has failed over the last 100 years, if under the guise of socialism. Why shall it work now?

Today, humanity has moved forward, especially in such an important thing for a planned economy as information technology. The social formation is related to the economic basis.

It’s like saying fascism works in the modern society.

It would be useful under certain conditions. Don't write them off.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It’s like saying fascism works in the modern society.

It would be useful under certain conditions. Don't write them off.

Like when competing in the "Most Corrupt and dysfunctional Reich on Planet Earth Olympics"?

[El Lazaro]

Communism has failed over the last 100 years, if under the guise of socialism. Why shall it work now?

Today, humanity has moved forward, especially in such an important thing for a planned economy as information technology. The social formation is related to the economic basis.

It’s like saying fascism works in the modern society.

It would be useful under certain conditions. Don't write them off.

Average pro-Russia leftist

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Today, humanity has moved forward, especially in such an important thing for a planned economy as information technology. The social formation is related to the economic basis.

It would be useful under certain conditions. Don't write them off.

Average pro-Russia leftist

>Leftist
>Literally said "Fascism would be useful" in the post you quoted

I think you need to readjust your reading glasses...