What do you think of Communism

[American Legionaries]

What I've learnt from this thread is that communists support mob justice and don't think that people should be paid to maintain sewers, want everyone to work harder for no reason because they don't believe in janitors and keep yelling "but you wrong, bro" without providing a reason as to why I am wrong. All this by people who think that helping their freinds move every couple of years is equivalent to daily warehouse work

Why would anyone maintain a sewer when we've implemented UBI, which you support, and they can just be unemployed until a better job comes along?

Probably because money.

[Ifreann]

Why would anyone maintain a sewer when we've implemented UBI, which you support, and they can just be unemployed until a better job comes along?

Probably because money.

But they won't need money. They'll have enough to live on with UBI, that's the whole idea. If they want more money, they can just find a different, non-sewer job.

[American Legionaries]

Probably because money.

But they won't need money. They'll have enough to live on with UBI, that's the whole idea. If they want more money, they can just find a different, non-sewer job.

People maintain sewers now, and non-sewer jobs exist.

[Ifreann]

But they won't need money. They'll have enough to live on with UBI, that's the whole idea. If they want more money, they can just find a different, non-sewer job.

People maintain sewers now, and non-sewer jobs exist.

People now need to have some kind of job or they'll wind up begging in the street. With UBI, that won't be true. People will be able to be a lot more picky about taking a job. And Aus reP has been telling us for weeks now that this is the worst imaginable job, absolutely gruelling. No amount of big TVs or sun holidays or Lambos is worth that when you could just wait and find some less terrible job.

[Kubra]

What I've learnt from this thread is that communists support mob justice and don't think that people should be paid to maintain sewers, want everyone to work harder for no reason because they don't believe in janitors and keep yelling "but you wrong, bro" without providing a reason as to why I am wrong. All this by people who think that helping their freinds move every couple of years is equivalent to daily warehouse work

Man this is what I come back to after a hard day at the philosophy mill?

[Nilokeras]

What I've learnt from this thread is that communists support mob justice and don't think that people should be paid to maintain sewers, want everyone to work harder for no reason because they don't believe in janitors and keep yelling "but you wrong, bro" without providing a reason as to why I am wrong. All this by people who think that helping their freinds move every couple of years is equivalent to daily warehouse work

Man this is what I come back to after a hard day at the philosophy mill?

See this is why you should have applied to the gay philosophy mill - then the Aussie would have respected you,

[Ifreann]

What I've learnt from this thread is that communists support mob justice and don't think that people should be paid to maintain sewers, want everyone to work harder for no reason because they don't believe in janitors and keep yelling "but you wrong, bro" without providing a reason as to why I am wrong. All this by people who think that helping their freinds move every couple of years is equivalent to daily warehouse work

Man this is what I come back to after a hard day at the philosophy mill?

You read 16 tomes, what do you get? Another day over and deeper in Kant.

[Stellar Colonies]

I wonder what the likelihood would be of the elite exterminating most of the population if perfect automation came along and they thought most people would become “unnecessary”.

Which of course assumes a unified global “elite” for the subject of this shitposty conspiracy theory, which is probably unlikely.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Why don't democracies work like you say they do?

They do.

They don't. Current governments are totally incapable of solving issues like climate change, extreme poverty, starvation, and corruption.

[Arbrau]

i was in communism once and i would say it was in between of everything

[American Legionaries]

They do.

They don't. Current governments are totally incapable of solving issues like climate change, extreme poverty, starvation, and corruption.

Or unwilling.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

What I've learnt from this thread is that communists support mob justice and don't think that people should be paid to maintain sewers, want everyone to work harder for no reason because they don't believe in janitors and keep yelling "but you wrong, bro" without providing a reason as to why I am wrong. All this by people who think that helping their freinds move every couple of years is equivalent to daily warehouse work

> "Hello. Money does not exist in this society because it is no longer needed. The value of your labor is enough for society, and you can get almost anything you please without the need of currency."
> crashes through wall
> "SO YOU DON'T PAY PEOPLE WHO MAINTAIN SEWERS?!"

[Umeria]

They do.

They don't. Current governments are totally incapable of solving issues like climate change, extreme poverty, starvation, and corruption.

Incorrect. Those problems have been solved, they just need to be implemented.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

They don't. Current governments are totally incapable of solving issues like climate change, extreme poverty, starvation, and corruption.

Incorrect. Those problems have been solved, they just need to be implemented.

I want to say you're wrong but... you're not entirely wrong.

[Nilokeras]

They don't. Current governments are totally incapable of solving issues like climate change, extreme poverty, starvation, and corruption.

Incorrect. Those problems have been solved, they just need to be implemented.

'Don't worry, this is a solved problem! It just needs to be implemented!' Umeria shouts as we all drown in boiling seawater

[Senkaku]

They don't. Current governments are totally incapable of solving issues like climate change, extreme poverty, starvation, and corruption.

Incorrect. Those problems have been solved, they just need to be implemented.

Can you describe a problem as “solved” if you haven’t figured out how to actually implement a hypothetical solution? If I’m bitten by a rattlesnake, the solution is to go get some antivenin, but if I’ve hiked fifty miles into the desert by myself with no phone, what good does it do me that there’s antivenin in the nearest hospital? Is my problem “solved,” even though I can’t implement the solution?

[Umeria]

Incorrect. Those problems have been solved, they just need to be implemented.

'Don't worry, this is a solved problem! It just needs to be implemented!' Umeria shouts as we all drown in boiling seawater

What's easier: getting out of the boiling water, or doing that and also overthowing the government

[Nilokeras]

'Don't worry, this is a solved problem! It just needs to be implemented!' Umeria shouts as we all drown in boiling seawater

What's easier: getting out of the boiling water, or doing that and also overthowing the government

The rub, of course, being that we can't get out of the seawater without overthrowing the government because the government refuses to acknowledge the boiling seawater lapping around our feet exists.

[Umeria]

What's easier: getting out of the boiling water, or doing that and also overthowing the government

The rub, of course, being that we can't get out of the seawater without overthrowing the government because the government refuses to acknowledge the boiling seawater lapping around our feet exists.

If the only (or the easiest) way to change the government's opinion is by overthrowing it, then this would be true.

[Hispida]

'Don't worry, this is a solved problem! It just needs to be implemented!' Umeria shouts as we all drown in boiling seawater

What's easier: getting out of the boiling water, or doing that and also overthowing the government

what if the government is the boiling water, though?

[Umeria]

Incorrect. Those problems have been solved, they just need to be implemented.

Can you describe a problem as “solved” if you haven’t figured out how to actually implement a hypothetical solution? If I’m bitten by a rattlesnake, the solution is to go get some antivenin, but if I’ve hiked fifty miles into the desert by myself with no phone, what good does it do me that there’s antivenin in the nearest hospital? Is my problem “solved,” even though I can’t implement the solution?

There are methods of implementation for the problems described though. Climate change: another New Deal to transition to sustainable practices. Extreme poverty: wealth tax + welfare. Starvation: international aid + welfare. Corruption: expand the scope of what corruption is legally defined as.

What's easier: getting out of the boiling water, or doing that and also overthowing the government

what if the government is the boiling water, though?

Then you'd have to stop it from burning and drowning you. How this is accomplished depends on the situation. For example: is there a valve (elections)? How effective is it? etc.

[Senkaku]

There are methods of implementation for the problems described though. Climate change: another New Deal to transition to sustainable practices. Extreme poverty: wealth tax + welfare. Starvation: international aid + welfare. Corruption: expand the scope of what corruption is legally defined as.

To implement these things you would have to transform our political economy and the network of social and financial incentives which presently lead policymakers to avoid doing these things. “Another New Deal” sounds nice and all, so why do you think American policymakers haven’t done it? “Expanding the scope of what corruption is legally defined as”— who’s going to be responsible for expanding those definitions and then enforcing these new laws, and who would be impacted by them? You’re laying delirious under a cactus going “maybe the hospital has satellites that can see me, maybe they’ll send a drone with a vial of antivenin!”

And maybe they will, because the technological capability does exist, but does it seem likely that they’re equipped for or interested in doing that sort of thing? Is that what a hospital is built to do?

[Hispida]

what if the government is the boiling water, though?

Then you'd have to stop it from burning and drowning you. How this is accomplished depends on the situation. For example: is there a valve (elections)? How effective is it? etc.

and if the valve does nothing? maybe it lets in some cooler water, but that water's still gonna drown you, and it's gonna boil eventually and/or do nothing to stop the boiling. if the sponge has already been filled and you don't have a wringer? you've gotta wring it with your hands. if there's no way out other than to spill the water? you spill the water.

[Umeria]

There are methods of implementation for the problems described though. Climate change: another New Deal to transition to sustainable practices. Extreme poverty: wealth tax + welfare. Starvation: international aid + welfare. Corruption: expand the scope of what corruption is legally defined as.

To implement these things you would have to transform our political economy and the network of social and financial incentives which presently lead policymakers to avoid doing these things. “Another New Deal” sounds nice and all, so why do you think American policymakers haven’t done it? “Expanding the scope of what corruption is legally defined as”— who’s going to be responsible for expanding those definitions and then enforcing these new laws, and who would be impacted by them? You’re laying delirious under a cactus going “maybe the hospital has satellites that can see me, maybe they’ll send a drone with a vial of antivenin!”

And maybe they will, because the technological capability does exist, but does it seem likely that they’re equipped for or interested in doing that sort of thing? Is that what a hospital is built to do?

Why did many American policymakers oppose the original New Deal? There were obstacles, but they weren't large enough that a complete restart was easier than overcoming them. I think the same is true today, given that not every policymaker is avoiding addressing The Problems, just enough to prevent solving them, for now.

[Ifreann]

The rub, of course, being that we can't get out of the seawater without overthrowing the government because the government refuses to acknowledge the boiling seawater lapping around our feet exists.

If the only (or the easiest) way to change the government's opinion is by overthrowing it, then this would be true.

Did you know that we released more CO2 into the atmosphere between 1990 and 2020 than between 1751 and 1990? The time period in which we have been most aware of the problem is the time in which we have done the most damage. When, exactly, should we expect to vote our way out of this?