What do you think of Communism

[Great Khavar]

Capitalism is not defined by questions of ownership, but rather by the presence of generalised commodity production. Government or worker owned enterprises are still participants in the capitalist mode of production.

But the presence of that ownership signalises, along with stated and done revolutionary intent and action, a Socialist transition period. That's the point. Adherence to worker-owned private enterprise is not cause for exclusion of an experience from the label "socialist".

No, because socialism is not the same thing as the transition period! The transition period is a period of capitalist economy controlled by the dictatorship of the proletariat that precedes socialism, and is therefore mutually exclusive with socialism. The socialist or lower-stage communist economy is one that has done away with commodity production, money, property, classes, etc.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

3. There is a difference between slavery and shitty employers. One exploits another and the owner gains everything and the slave gains nothing. A shitty employer exploits their employees, but there is at least an exchange in labour and monetary value.

The... value of <50 US cents and child sex slavery? I didn't know coltan mining was that fucking "cheap" in terms of the total amount of labour, infrastructure and shit.

[Great Khavar]

Ah, but they call themselves communist and are ruled by the Chinese Communist Party! Therefore, by your understanding, they must be communist!

I literally said that the nazis aren't socialist

Except, those people called themselves socialists, were recognized as socialist and still are. Like I don't know why you deny they were socialist other than them not being radical enough for you

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

But the presence of that ownership signalises, along with stated and done revolutionary intent and action, a Socialist transition period. That's the point. Adherence to private property is not cause for exclusion of an experience from the label "socialist".

You know, I think Marx said something about this... I think it's very well known:

In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

Oh yeah. Here’s a 4th thing I hate about communism:

Abolition of private property: Get off my fucking lawn. It’s not “the people’s property” it’s MY property.

[Port Carverton]

I literally said that the nazis aren't socialist

Except, those people called themselves socialists, were recognized as socialist and still are. Like I don't know why you deny they were socialist other than them not being radical enough for you

Missing the part 'recognized as socialist' there... because even neoconservatives agree that China is not practicing socialism right now

[Waaaar]

You only talk about the good communist countries, which most of them have mainly changed to capitalism. but about the bad ones like North Korea.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You only talk about the good communist countries, which most of them have mainly changed to capitalism. but about the bad ones like North Korea.

the one that repudiated communism de jure in the 90's?

[Theodorable]

chatgpt ahh answer

1. Humanity is not naturally selfish. See the entirety of human history, dolt.

2. Communism is LITERALLY about abolishing and eradicating class, state, and cultural interests as well as material restrictions so as to ensure the individual is as free as possible. READ Marx.

3. Exploiters are exploiters. This is like saying that slaves were wrong for hating their masters because it's an "us vs them" mentality. What utter nonsense are you on? I want some, too.

1. Bro humans and animals in general are naturally selfish. It’s called instinct and competition

Except humans are not like 99% of the animals out there. This is a moronic appeal to nature argument.

2. Bruh what tf ru on. Communism is literally anything but individualist

Read Marx.

And it is certainly true that we must first make a cause our own, egoistic cause, before we can do anything to further it – and hence that in this sense, irrespective of any eventual material aspirations, we are communists out of egoism also, and it is out of egoism that we wish to be human beings, not mere individuals.

It is, above all, necessary to avoid once more establishing ‘society’ as an abstraction over against the individual.

Ralph Leonard wrote on this. I suggest you give him a read.

3. There is a difference between slavery and shitty employers. One exploits another and the owner gains everything and the slave gains nothing. A shitty employer exploits their employees, but there is at least an exchange in labour and monetary value.

Slavery doesn't cease to be slavery because of better work circumstances. The slavery of a (at least in comparison with other slaves) privileged slave doesn't cease to be slavery.

Just as exploitation doesn't cease to be exploitation because there is less exploitation.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

3. There is a difference between slavery and shitty employers. One exploits another and the owner gains everything and the slave gains nothing. A shitty employer exploits their employees, but there is at least an exchange in labour and monetary value.

The... value of <50 US cents and child sex slavery? I didn't know coltan mining was that fucking "cheap" in terms of the total amount of labour, infrastructure and shit.

I find it funny that you guys always use the most extreme examples of evil bougies so your arguments are impossible to refute.

Ppl who own cobalt mines with kids in them? Yeah their evil

Ppl who own slaves? Yep they are evil

Ppl who own cubicles and trade stocks and shit and own a tech company? Probably not evil, maybe a dickhead but I wouldn’t know until I got to know them personally.

[Theodorable]

You know, I think Marx said something about this... I think it's very well known:

In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

Oh yeah. Here’s a 4th thing I hate about communism:

Abolition of private property: Get off my fucking lawn. It’s not “the people’s property” it’s MY property.

Sob and weep, moralist. Nobody wants to touch yo dirty ahh lawn anyway.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Oh yeah. Here’s a 4th thing I hate about communism:

Abolition of private property: Get off my fucking lawn. It’s not “the people’s property” it’s MY property.

Sob and weep.

Cope and seethe that your ideology has failed.

[Waaaar]

North Korea kills their own people, but look at South Korea

[Theodorable]

Sob and weep.

Cope and seethe that your ideology has failed.

What ideology? Communism isn't an ideology. It's a state of affairs arising from material circumstances.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

North Korea kills their own people, but look at South Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

[Waaaar]

yeah sob and weep about people dyeing

[Great Khavar]

Missing the part 'recognized as socialist' there... because even neoconservatives agree that China is not practicing socialism right now

Really? I'm pretty sure I still hear people talking about the 'chicoms' and such these days.

And you must realise that your understanding of socialism is laughably weak when the only thing you can base it on is what people call it, rather than any empirical factors.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

North Korea kills their own people, but look at South Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

Ah yes, comparing suicide to state executions.

Brainlet take

[Waaaar]

suicide vs mass killing if one person looks at their leader wrong.

[Theodorable]

North Korea kills their own people, but look at South Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

Welcome to North Korea, here you starve and go homeless because the state is incompetent.

Welcome to South Korea, here you starve and go homeless because the state is incompetent.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Cope and seethe that your ideology has failed.

What ideology? Communism isn't an ideology. It's a state of affairs arising from material circumstances.

From Wikipedia: Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement

[Port Carverton]

North Korea kills their own people, but look at South Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

Saudi Arabia must be a great country since it has a lower suicide rate in that map then

[Elwher]

North Korea kills their own people, but look at South Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

If I kill myself, that is my choice. If someone else, either another person or the government, kills me I did not choose that. There is the essential difference.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

Welcome to North Korea, here you starve and go homeless because the state is incompetent.

Welcome to South Korea, here you starve and go homeless because the state is incompetent.

North Korea is just a monarchy masquerading as a communist state

South Korea is just a corporate-own state masquerading as a democracy

[Great Khavar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

Welcome to North Korea, here you starve and go homeless because the state is incompetent.

Welcome to South Korea, here you starve and go homeless because the state is incompetent.

Capitalism 101!

What ideology? Communism isn't an ideology. It's a state of affairs arising from material circumstances.

From Wikipedia: Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement

>accuses others of brainlet takes
>gets definitions from wikipedia

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

If I kill myself, that is my choice. If someone else, either another person or the government, kills me I did not choose that. There is the essential difference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi#South_Korea
it's almost as if ppl offing themselves have socio-economic explanations... but what do i know