What do you think of Communism

[Vallermoore]

Better then Nazism, but not by much, and incapable of being a success, is what I think of Communism.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

[Bovad]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

We have been proved to be right.

[American Legionaries]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

We have been proved to be right.

NSG isn't a roleplay board.

[Platoon of Peace]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

We have been proved to be right.

I don't mean to be rude, but having that attitude only makes you seem pretentious.

[Sordhau]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

"Wrong"? About what, exactly? Capitalism has led to untold acts of genocide, imperialism, pollution, and the exploitation of the working class. Liberal Democracy has proven to impotent to defend it's own values from fundamentalists, Fascists, and corporations infiltrating it's institutions. Liberals themselves have proven time and again to be hypocrites who only care about their values when it's strategic to do so. Liberalism has proven that it's values are only ever guaranteed for society's wealthiest, with each section of the totem pole receiving less and less guarantees the further down you go. Social Democrats have promised the world and never delivered, Progressive Liberals dress up like radicals but always compromise in the end, Conservative Liberals continue to hold society back, Traditionalist Liberals continue to drag society through the muck even when they're a minority in government.

Liberals had 200 years to validate their ideology but all we've gotten is atrocities, hypocrisy, and a planet on the verge of total ecological collapse. What if *we're* wrong? What if *you're* wrong? Liberalism is the dominant ideology of the world and is thus responsible for the state of the world; a world where the rich can do as they please and the rest of us have to pound sand. The state of the globe is a sorry and depressing one and the future is bleak. Is directly the fault of Liberalism. You love to talk about how Socialism "fails" because the USSR and associated countries no longer exist, but from where I'm standing it's Liberalism that is failing. The Western democracies are backsliding and the rest of the globe can't seem to go forward at all. The climate crisis is going to be a catastrophic event the likes of which will surpass anything we've ever witnessed before as a species. If this is the "success" of Liberalism then it's not wrong in the slightest to say that the wrong side won the Cold War.

The UN is only slightly less useless than the LoN, America destabilizes whole regions on a regularly basis with no one in a position to them, and the only alternatives to American hegemony are bandit states and Fascist regimes. "Just protest" you say, "just vote" you say, "just write your congressman" you say. But when we protest we get beaten, when we vote we can only vote for reps who were bought by corporations, when we write our congressman we only end up being ignored. We use every legal avenue to create change and only end up getting gaslit and broadsided by reactionary coalitions that don't want to actually fix the problems. And on the off chance we get lucky and do get into power? We get couped or assassinated.

We have no choice but revolution and the full rejection of Liberalism and it's offshoot ideologies. You had your time and you fucked everything up. Human civilization is on a path to total collapse because of your hubris, greed, and self-righteousness. We can't be "wrong" because that would mean you're "right", and if you're "right" then God help us all because you being "right" is putting us on the fast track to extinction.

[Platoon of Peace]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

"Wrong"? About what, exactly? Capitalism has led to untold acts of genocide, imperialism, pollution, and the exploitation of the working class. Liberal Democracy has proven to impotent to defend it's own values from fundamentalists, Fascists, and corporations infiltrating it's institutions. Liberals themselves have proven time and again to be hypocrites who only care about their values when it's strategic to do so. Liberalism has proven that it's values are only ever guaranteed for society's wealthiest, with each section of the totem pole receiving less and less guarantees the further down you go. Social Democrats have promised the world and never delivered, Progressive Liberals dress up like radicals but always compromise in the end, Conservative Liberals continue to hold society back, Traditionalist Liberals continue to drag society through the muck even when they're a minority in government.

Liberals had 200 years to validate their ideology but all we've gotten is atrocities, hypocrisy, and a planet on the verge of total ecological collapse. What if *we're* wrong? What if *you're* wrong? Liberalism is the dominant ideology of the world and is thus responsible for the state of the world; a world where the rich can do as they please and the rest of us have to pound sand. The state of the globe is a sorry and depressing one and the future is bleak. Is directly the fault of Liberalism. You love to talk about how Socialism "fails" because the USSR and associated countries no longer exist, but from where I'm standing it's Liberalism that is failing. The Western democracies are backsliding and the rest of the globe can't seem to go forward at all. The climate crisis is going to be a catastrophic event the likes of which will surpass anything we've ever witnessed before as a species. If this is the "success" of Liberalism then it's not wrong in the slightest to say that the wrong side won the Cold War.

The UN is only slightly less useless than the LoN, America destabilizes whole regions on a regularly basis with no one in a position to them, and the only alternatives to American hegemony are bandit states and Fascist regimes. "Just protest" you say, "just vote" you say, "just write your congressman" you say. But when we protest we get beaten, when we vote we can only vote for reps who were bought by corporations, when we write our congressman we only end up being ignored. We use every legal avenue to create change and only end up getting gaslit and broadsided by reactionary coalitions that don't want to actually fix the problems. And on the off chance we get lucky and do get into power? We get couped or assassinated.

We have no choice but revolution and the full rejection of Liberalism and it's offshoot ideologies. You had your time and you fucked everything up. Human civilization is on a path to total collapse because of your hubris, greed, and self-righteousness. We can't be "wrong" because that would mean you're "right", and if you're "right" then God help us all because you being "right" is putting us on the fast track to extinction.

Kind of off topic here, but I'd like to say that even though I disagree with your ideals, it's really freaking impressive how strongly you support them and are uncompromising in them. That's a pretty good trait for someone to have.

[Bovad]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

"Wrong"? About what, exactly? Capitalism has led to untold acts of genocide, imperialism, pollution, and the exploitation of the working class. Liberal Democracy has proven to impotent to defend it's own values from fundamentalists, Fascists, and corporations infiltrating it's institutions. Liberals themselves have proven time and again to be hypocrites who only care about their values when it's strategic to do so. Liberalism has proven that it's values are only ever guaranteed for society's wealthiest, with each section of the totem pole receiving less and less guarantees the further down you go. Social Democrats have promised the world and never delivered, Progressive Liberals dress up like radicals but always compromise in the end, Conservative Liberals continue to hold society back, Traditionalist Liberals continue to drag society through the muck even when they're a minority in government.

Liberals had 200 years to validate their ideology but all we've gotten is atrocities, hypocrisy, and a planet on the verge of total ecological collapse. What if *we're* wrong? What if *you're* wrong? Liberalism is the dominant ideology of the world and is thus responsible for the state of the world; a world where the rich can do as they please and the rest of us have to pound sand. The state of the globe is a sorry and depressing one and the future is bleak. Is directly the fault of Liberalism. You love to talk about how Socialism "fails" because the USSR and associated countries no longer exist, but from where I'm standing it's Liberalism that is failing. The Western democracies are backsliding and the rest of the globe can't seem to go forward at all. The climate crisis is going to be a catastrophic event the likes of which will surpass anything we've ever witnessed before as a species. If this is the "success" of Liberalism then it's not wrong in the slightest to say that the wrong side won the Cold War.

The UN is only slightly less useless than the LoN, America destabilizes whole regions on a regularly basis with no one in a position to them, and the only alternatives to American hegemony are bandit states and Fascist regimes. "Just protest" you say, "just vote" you say, "just write your congressman" you say. But when we protest we get beaten, when we vote we can only vote for reps who were bought by corporations, when we write our congressman we only end up being ignored. We use every legal avenue to create change and only end up getting gaslit and broadsided by reactionary coalitions that don't want to actually fix the problems. And on the off chance we get lucky and do get into power? We get couped or assassinated.

We have no choice but revolution and the full rejection of Liberalism and it's offshoot ideologies. You had your time and you fucked everything up. Human civilization is on a path to total collapse because of your hubris, greed, and self-righteousness. We can't be "wrong" because that would mean you're "right", and if you're "right" then God help us all because you being "right" is putting us on the fast track to extinction.

We have been proved to be right.

I don't mean to be rude, but having that attitude only makes you seem pretentious.

This is basically what i meant

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

"Wrong"? About what, exactly? Capitalism has led to untold acts of genocide, imperialism, pollution, and the exploitation of the working class. Liberal Democracy has proven to impotent to defend it's own values from fundamentalists, Fascists, and corporations infiltrating it's institutions. Liberals themselves have proven time and again to be hypocrites who only care about their values when it's strategic to do so. Liberalism has proven that it's values are only ever guaranteed for society's wealthiest, with each section of the totem pole receiving less and less guarantees the further down you go. Social Democrats have promised the world and never delivered, Progressive Liberals dress up like radicals but always compromise in the end, Conservative Liberals continue to hold society back, Traditionalist Liberals continue to drag society through the muck even when they're a minority in government.

Liberals had 200 years to validate their ideology but all we've gotten is atrocities, hypocrisy, and a planet on the verge of total ecological collapse. What if *we're* wrong? What if *you're* wrong? Liberalism is the dominant ideology of the world and is thus responsible for the state of the world; a world where the rich can do as they please and the rest of us have to pound sand. The state of the globe is a sorry and depressing one and the future is bleak. Is directly the fault of Liberalism. You love to talk about how Socialism "fails" because the USSR and associated countries no longer exist, but from where I'm standing it's Liberalism that is failing. The Western democracies are backsliding and the rest of the globe can't seem to go forward at all. The climate crisis is going to be a catastrophic event the likes of which will surpass anything we've ever witnessed before as a species. If this is the "success" of Liberalism then it's not wrong in the slightest to say that the wrong side won the Cold War.

The UN is only slightly less useless than the LoN, America destabilizes whole regions on a regularly basis with no one in a position to them, and the only alternatives to American hegemony are bandit states and Fascist regimes. "Just protest" you say, "just vote" you say, "just write your congressman" you say. But when we protest we get beaten, when we vote we can only vote for reps who were bought by corporations, when we write our congressman we only end up being ignored. We use every legal avenue to create change and only end up getting gaslit and broadsided by reactionary coalitions that don't want to actually fix the problems. And on the off chance we get lucky and do get into power? We get couped or assassinated.

We have no choice but revolution and the full rejection of Liberalism and it's offshoot ideologies. You had your time and you fucked everything up. Human civilization is on a path to total collapse because of your hubris, greed, and self-righteousness. We can't be "wrong" because that would mean you're "right", and if you're "right" then God help us all because you being "right" is putting us on the fast track to extinction.

Hating everyone else isn't an ideology. You need actual policies, just like other nations. What if they are wrong?
And, that whole end part on if i'm right the earth is doomed can literally be said by any ideology against any other ideology. It's a non-argument to say "You can't be right because if you're right then in my mind the world is over."

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

"Wrong"? About what, exactly? Capitalism has led to untold acts of genocide, imperialism, pollution, and the exploitation of the working class. Liberal Democracy has proven to impotent to defend it's own values from fundamentalists, Fascists, and corporations infiltrating it's institutions. Liberals themselves have proven time and again to be hypocrites who only care about their values when it's strategic to do so. Liberalism has proven that it's values are only ever guaranteed for society's wealthiest, with each section of the totem pole receiving less and less guarantees the further down you go. Social Democrats have promised the world and never delivered, Progressive Liberals dress up like radicals but always compromise in the end, Conservative Liberals continue to hold society back, Traditionalist Liberals continue to drag society through the muck even when they're a minority in government.

Liberals had 200 years to validate their ideology but all we've gotten is atrocities, hypocrisy, and a planet on the verge of total ecological collapse. What if *we're* wrong? What if *you're* wrong? Liberalism is the dominant ideology of the world and is thus responsible for the state of the world; a world where the rich can do as they please and the rest of us have to pound sand. The state of the globe is a sorry and depressing one and the future is bleak. Is directly the fault of Liberalism. You love to talk about how Socialism "fails" because the USSR and associated countries no longer exist, but from where I'm standing it's Liberalism that is failing. The Western democracies are backsliding and the rest of the globe can't seem to go forward at all. The climate crisis is going to be a catastrophic event the likes of which will surpass anything we've ever witnessed before as a species. If this is the "success" of Liberalism then it's not wrong in the slightest to say that the wrong side won the Cold War.

The UN is only slightly less useless than the LoN, America destabilizes whole regions on a regularly basis with no one in a position to them, and the only alternatives to American hegemony are bandit states and Fascist regimes. "Just protest" you say, "just vote" you say, "just write your congressman" you say. But when we protest we get beaten, when we vote we can only vote for reps who were bought by corporations, when we write our congressman we only end up being ignored. We use every legal avenue to create change and only end up getting gaslit and broadsided by reactionary coalitions that don't want to actually fix the problems. And on the off chance we get lucky and do get into power? We get couped or assassinated.

We have no choice but revolution and the full rejection of Liberalism and it's offshoot ideologies. You had your time and you fucked everything up. Human civilization is on a path to total collapse because of your hubris, greed, and self-righteousness. We can't be "wrong" because that would mean you're "right", and if you're "right" then God help us all because you being "right" is putting us on the fast track to extinction.

Kind of off topic here, but I'd like to say that even though I disagree with your ideals, it's really freaking impressive how strongly you support them and are uncompromising in them. That's a pretty good trait for someone to have.

God, that's an awful trait. That's the worst trait for someone to have. Compromise is the best part of debate and policy-making, and refusal to compromise just results in (on forums like this) long, pointless arguments that do absolutely nothing and end when one of them has chores to do, or (in politics/decisionmaking) wasting everyone's fucking time and getting nothing done.

[Platoon of Peace]

Kind of off topic here, but I'd like to say that even though I disagree with your ideals, it's really freaking impressive how strongly you support them and are uncompromising in them. That's a pretty good trait for someone to have.

God, that's an awful trait. That's the worst trait for someone to have. Compromise is the best part of debate and policy-making, and refusal to compromise just results in (on forums like this) long, pointless arguments that do absolutely nothing and end when one of them has chores to do, or (in politics/decisionmaking) wasting everyone's fucking time and getting nothing done.

If you're willing to compromise on the core tenants of your beliefs and who you are, then you don't have any true beliefs. That is what I'm saying is good, not insistent support for some stupid shit.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

God, that's an awful trait. That's the worst trait for someone to have. Compromise is the best part of debate and policy-making, and refusal to compromise just results in (on forums like this) long, pointless arguments that do absolutely nothing and end when one of them has chores to do, or (in politics/decisionmaking) wasting everyone's fucking time and getting nothing done.

If you're willing to compromise on the core tenants of your beliefs and who you are, then you don't have any true beliefs. That is what I'm saying is good, not insistent support for some stupid shit.

but isn't that communism?
Do you know what compromise is? Compromise isn't "I'll give up all my ideals, you get everything you want" you both have ideals that you want to support, and you try to find a common ground. If you don't that's fine, but it is never good to not even try.

[Platoon of Peace]

If you're willing to compromise on the core tenants of your beliefs and who you are, then you don't have any true beliefs. That is what I'm saying is good, not insistent support for some stupid shit.

but isn't that communism?
Do you know what compromise is? Compromise isn't "I'll give up all my ideals, you get everything you want" you both have ideals that you want to support, and you try to find a common ground. If you don't that's fine, but it is never good to not even try.

Yes I understand what a compromise is. But sometimes middle ground isn't there. And in those scenarios, that's what's good here. That's what I'm saying is good.

[Narland]

For me, Communism is underrated, coming from a democratic guy, No matter what their party Communist, Liberal, etc they shall be equal to others, I know I sound like the Founding Fathers but it's true. Most people think Communism = Non-American, but there are some countries that are Communist that give aid to western nations. I'm not trying to say I support dictatorships, I am trying to say that I don't care whether your Communist or Liberal, I will still be friends with you. People think that I'm Communist when I'm not, I'm gonna admit this, I like Russia, and people are still friends with me, honestly no one cares that your Communist, Liberal, Socialist whatever, your shoes or party doesn't matter. You are treated based on what you did, not your race, religion, party, etc. That's my personal opinion.

I think of Communism the same way I think about any tyranny of the mind that considers it acceptable to lie, cheat, steal, destroy and murder its way into the hearts and minds of any people in promising what sounds plausible but are treacheries that deliver ignorance, misery, abuse, serfdom, poverty, starvation, and death each and every time for a utopia that never arrives as it blames everyone and everything else (internal and external) but itself for its own innate failures, eternal hostility. Communists on the other hand I will try to win over by persuasion, and appeal to reason, history and economics. The difference between a communist country and a post-communist country is about 100 years.

[Repreteop]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

We have been proved to be right.

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As much as... I enjoy libertarian socialism (moderately, I believe in moderate private enterprise)... there isn't any true forms of communism... that have worked...

Except maybe Vietnam. I like them.

[Imperio de Castilho]

here in brazil we are having elections, and we have seen what happened to argentina and venezuela

[Bovad]

here in brazil we are having elections, and we have seen what happened to argentina and venezuela

Venesuela was couped and sanctioned before it could become socialist and argentina has never even tried socialism.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

We have been proved to be right.

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As much as... I enjoy libertarian socialism (moderately, I believe in moderate private enterprise)... there isn't any true forms of communism... that have worked...

Except maybe Vietnam. I like them.

Bovad doesn't actually argue with people, they prefer saying obvious lies for the sake of cool-looking one-liners and then leave when people disprove them.

[Free Algerstonia]

here in brazil we are having elections, and we have seen what happened to argentina and venezuela

lula will become the next maduro, brazilians should prepare for power outages and empty grocery store shelves and vuvuzela 2.0 if lula rigs the election

[Bovad]

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As much as... I enjoy libertarian socialism (moderately, I believe in moderate private enterprise)... there isn't any true forms of communism... that have worked...

Except maybe Vietnam. I like them.

Bovad doesn't actually argue with people, they prefer saying obvious lies for the sake of cool-looking one-liners and then leave when people disprove them.

Its that you ignore any of my attempts to defend what I said.

[Nilokeras]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

A totally vapid question. Begging us on hands and knees saying 'please, do all the hard work I've failed to do to actually convince you that you're wrong and just assume it, please, for my sake, wouldn't it feel awful if you were wrong, don't you feel like a big meanie for calling us those hurtful names'.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Bovad doesn't actually argue with people, they prefer saying obvious lies for the sake of cool-looking one-liners and then leave when people disprove them.

Its that you ignore any of my attempts to defend what I said.

Saying "I'm right and shut up" is hardly defending yourself.
I mean, you literally JUST said "I am right" in response to the question "what do you do if you are wrong", which is both not an answer to my question, and entirely ignorant and egotistical.

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

A totally vapid question. Begging us on hands and knees saying 'please, do all the hard work I've failed to do to actually convince you that you're wrong and just assume it, please, for my sake, wouldn't it feel awful if you were wrong, don't you feel like a big meanie for calling us those hurtful names'.

Every single one of us has an incredibly, incredibly high chance of being incorrect. despite all your attempts to say i'm wrong, it's not vapid to say "Alright, but what is the situation if you were?" I'm asking a question that, yes, should be seriously answered, because, again, there's about a 99% chance that any of us are wrong.
So, instead of ignoring my question, answer it. How do you guys learn and grow as a person politically?
I'm not asking you how bad you'd feel if you were wrong, I'm asking you how you'd learn you were wrong, how you'd take it, and what you'd do to rectify it.
And I'm not just talking about your entire ideology being wrong, I'm talking about general policies individually being wrong as well.

[Civia Welephilostopia]

I think of Communism as the after effects of capitalism.

Capitalism gave the dream that if every man worked hard enough then he could become wealthy like the nobility, then reality set in as the system began to be practised, wider inequality and poor working conditions as some got rich and others living conditions didn't change. This is where communism gave it's dream.

The dream of communism is that you can have the high level of living like under captialism but no one gets left behind and those who get ahead give to those who need the extra support.

I'll let others fill in the rest.

[Suriyanakhon]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

Wrong about what in particular? Marxism as a philosophical tradition has been constantly challenging itself and growing to respond to new changes. Marxism-Leninism itself (which I assume you're referring to) arose as a response to conditions that were wildly different from what Marx and Engels could have foreseen.

[Laasmistan]

I have a serious question for communists. What if you're wrong? If you brand anyone who disagrees as counterrevolutionaries, how can you ever grow and change?

Wrong about what in particular? Marxism as a philosophical tradition has been constantly challenging itself and growing to respond to new changes. Marxism-Leninism itself (which I assume you're referring to) arose as a response to conditions that were wildly different from what Marx and Engels could have foreseen.

And except for perhaps some developing countries it's fairly outdated now, imo. It arose out of semi-feudal conditions, which is obviously not the case in the vast majority of countries today. Yet, hardliners will call any attempts to adapt the ideology "revisionism".