What do you think of Communism

[Rakhalia]

you know you can edit the quote chains right. like, in the post formatter. you can fix it up.

Yeah, I *could*. Am I? Why on earth would I do that?
I know the score. They know the score. No point putting formatting effort on when we know what we're saying to each other.
Plus mobileposting my fingers just cant

I guess I'm just used to RP forum etiquette of proper formatting

[Australian rePublic]

That's not point though. Capitalism can exist without slave labour. Just because it doesn't, doesn't mean that it can't

...it does exist with the most widespread system of functional slave labour in history. How do you think we should go about dismantling that? Because believe you me it'd have you give up most of your electronic devices, a good portion of your clothes, a good majority of your nutritional intake, et cetera...

Not necessarily since most food here in grown in Australia, so it'll do jackshit to nutritional intake, but as for the rest, nah, it'll make them slightly more expensive, and some people aee willing to pay that price anyway, in order to support local manufacturing. Ironically, it's only the poorer who would suffer the most since they're the ones least able to afford locally produced goods, but that's where a UBI comes into it, so at least people can be able to afford the essentials. Don't ask how rich the rich are, let them be as rich as the can get, ask how rich the poor are. That's what matters

[Lower Nubia]

I'm back.

161 days.

[Kubra]

Yeah, I *could*. Am I? Why on earth would I do that?
I know the score. They know the score. No point putting formatting effort on when we know what we're saying to each other.
Plus mobileposting my fingers just cant

I guess I'm just used to RP forum etiquette of proper formatting

It's past bed time and I'm lying in bed. I can barely type the right letters, let alone format. I'll do that shit when I'm on PC.

[Australian rePublic]

I guess I'm just used to RP forum etiquette of proper formatting

It's past bed time and I'm lying in bed. I can barely type the right letters, let alone format. I'll do that shit when I'm on PC.

I do most of my typing on the phone

[Kubra]

It's past bed time and I'm lying in bed. I can barely type the right letters, let alone format. I'll do that shit when I'm on PC.

I do most of my typing on the phone

well la dee da mister delicate thumbs, mine unfortunately get crushed between my other fingers and a barbell.
There ain't as much sensation in em

[Rakhalia]

...it does exist with the most widespread system of functional slave labour in history. How do you think we should go about dismantling that? Because believe you me it'd have you give up most of your electronic devices, a good portion of your clothes, a good majority of your nutritional intake, et cetera...

Not necessarily since most food here in grown in Australia, so it'll do jackshit to nutritional intake, but as for the rest, nah, it'll make them slightly more expensive, and some people aee willing to pay that price anyway, in order to support local manufacturing. Ironically, it's only the poorer who would suffer the most since they're the ones least able to afford locally produced food

No it doesn't. Your local produce is only allowed to exist because it's couched within an economic system that relies upon a global system of exploitation -- if that disappears, the economic crash will hit food eventually. Remember that all these 'poor countries' are actually incredibly rich in reality: the Congo is rich in a whole host of resources, yet it's one of the poorest countries in the world. Why is it, then, *poor*? Because all these resources don't stay in the Congo -- they're exported overseas at incredibly cheap prices for what they are. Michael Parenti has a lot of bad takes, but he is spot on when he says that these countries aren't *under-developed*, they're *over-exploited*. By capital. That's how it works. This is literally the summary of the last century of economic history, and then some.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

Yea, except that's not how the world works. People already do produce as much as possible. More produce=more money. And capitalists always find ways to increase produce, in order to increase profit. Shortages aren't caused by capitalism. Shortages are caused by droughts, floods, conflicts, diseases and pest outbreaks, etc. Communism won't solve those problems

They do not. If that were actually the case then we would be living in a post-scarcity economy. Instead there are quotas, products have their prices artificially raised for artificial scarcity- it's called supply and demand. If sony by some godforsaken mythical way were able to make a billion playstation fives, the console would be completely worthless- not worthless as in has no purpose, but worthless as in currency wise. There's a billion of them, there's no scarcity- and so the price drops down to zero. Sony wouldn't want that since they still need to make a profit, so scarcity is created by valuing the products and intentionally keeping the production of the playstation lower than what it actually could be at maximum. Of course the playstation isn't an example of every single product but it's a decent one.
Yes, you're right, capitalism will always find a way to produce things better, not because of any actual care for humanity or a want to improve society but to increase profits. Capitalism is also not the root cause of shortages no, but it exacerbates shortages by only allowing those with the ability to pay (in many cases the wealthy elite or the petty bourgeois) to afford to buy food or clothing or whatnot during a famine or heavy economic recession.

Well, if I'm not a centrist, then what am I?

Why are you asking me to name your ideology? It's not my responsibility to do that shit.

That was in response to someone suggesting that it's okay to allow millions to starve in the here and now so that we can have communism in the next few centuries

They literally never said that.

Your point is that people want to do work, which yea, people like working on things, but a lot of things that people like to work on contribute nothing to society. Very few want to do the jobs that contribute to society. Sure, people like to work, but the "work" that they like to do contributes nothing to society

What is defined as "contributes nothing to society"? One man's trash is another man's treasure. Yes there are objectively things that are worth more and contribute more to society, but nothing is "worthless". Do you consider botany a hobby that contributes "nothing"? Do you consider the production of entertainment in any form a hobby that contributes "nothing"? Or perhaps the notion that things which require labor to put into them contribute "nothing to society" is stupid.
It's also not that people don't want to do the jobs that contribute to society- that's very evident from the millions of people who go to college every year (for those who can actually afford to go to college, or for countries with an actual proper developed education system) who choose to study and get degrees for professions which, spoiler alert: contribute a fuck ton to society. Rather it's the natural human instinct to want to do things easier and better: innovation drives all humans, and the natural human instinct is to take the path of least resistance. It doesn't mean it's always good but that is natural human instinct. Nowadays as less work needs to be done while producing more, the argument that "people don't want to do good work cause they're lazy" or whatever you're trying to argue isn't a thing.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

My brother in christ children literally sold themselves on the streets as prostitutes because the privatization of Russia resulted in a complete economic collapse, rendering the Russian economy equivalent to most African ones. The economic crisis in Russia stopped because state control was put over the massive corporations that took trillion dollar businesses for dirt cheap. It wasn't just because "a country collapsed". The Soviet Union did not break apart into civil war, yes its collapse contributed significantly to a lot of economic downturns in a lot of countries, but what fucked Russia over the most was Yeltsin's idiotic economic policies. News flash, you can't turn a planned command economy into a market economy in the span of only 2 or so years.
And even then what the fuck is the excuse you're trying to make here? "Oh, children were having to become prostitutes and it still continues to this day but it doesn't matter since it was just the fault of the USSR collapsing". Fucking goofy as shit. Russia does not fare better under capitalism. 2% of Russia's population lived in poverty in 1989. 12.1% lived in poverty in 2020, and admittedly that is better than the 24.6% they used to have in 2002, the poverty rate in Russia has only barely improved. HDI rates are lower than in the Soviet Union... whole lot of other shit. Russia only fares better in numbers. It has a larger economy, but where does most of that money go? Spoiler alert: Into the pockets of Putin and his cronies.

And that's a result of corruption, not capitalism. Countries such as Norway and New Zealand have capitalism, but with their lack of corruption, they have want of nothing. Communism won't make corruption go away

"it was a result of corruption"
Jesus christ you skimmed that paragraph so fast your spit is sold as skimmed milk.

[Land of The Furries]

To be frank, the OP obviously went off of what was learned in highschool on the topic and never had any actual research on the topic thus I restate what I said before if you actually researched it and really dived deep into it you'll find that you really don't want Communism and Socialism simply because of the harsh and dark history of how Marx and other founding fathers of Socialism/Communism founded their ideology and their beliefs.

My bad I meant mister Australian rePublic not the OP.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

To be frank, the OP obviously went off of what was learned in highschool on the topic and never had any actual research on the topic thus I restate what I said before if you actually researched it and really dived deep into it you'll find that you really don't want Communism and Socialism simply because of the harsh and dark history of how Marx and other founding fathers of Socialism/Communism founded their ideology and their beliefs.

My bad I meant mister Australian rePublic not the OP.

Most people who say they know what Marxism is do not actually know what Marxism is. That includes you.

[Lower Nubia]

My bad I meant mister Australian rePublic not the OP.

Most people who say they know what Marxism is do not actually know what Marxism is. That includes you.

How would I get a computer under Marxism to play Skyrim?

[Kubra]

Most people who say they know what Marxism is do not actually know what Marxism is. That includes you.

How would I get a computer under Marxism to play Skyrim?

Under communism you would only play morrowind

[Lower Nubia]

How would I get a computer under Marxism to play Skyrim?

Under communism you would only play morrowind

How would I even get that?

[Kubra]

Under communism you would only play morrowind

How would I even get that?

You will get it. Ownership is compulsory.

[Land of The Furries]

My bad I meant mister Australian rePublic not the OP.

Most people who say they know what Marxism is do not actually know what Marxism is. That includes you.

I wasn't saying that I know what Marxism was I was just implying that most people tend to start these debates with little to no knowledge of what they are talking about and should at least do some research themselves before they even start the conversation. And if you would actually look into it yourself you may find it pretty appalling at what these men went through to get their ideas. Just take and do a deep dive into the history of the CCP and how brutal and gruesome it was in the beginning.

[Lower Nubia]

How would I even get that?

You will get it. Ownership is compulsory.

Oh, so I’ll be given one?

[Kubra]

You will get it. Ownership is compulsory.

Oh, so I’ll be given one?

You don't already have it?
The authorities will be over shortly.

[Lower Nubia]

Oh, so I’ll be given one?

You don't already have it?
The authorities will be over shortly.

A 1660S?

[Kubra]

You don't already have it?
The authorities will be over shortly.

A 1660S?

really? That's it?
I'll order them to give you a hug. You need it.

[Lower Nubia]

A 1660S?

really? That's it?
I'll order them to give you a hug. You need it.

A lava lamp?

Edit: 2 lava lamps.

Edit: 3 lava lamps. One for each bedroom.

[Land of The Furries]

really? That's it?
I'll order them to give you a hug. You need it.

A lava lamp?

Oookaaayyy......
*Lights up a bowl and takes a toke*
I need weed on this one lol

[Lower Nubia]

A lava lamp?

Oookaaayyy......
*Lights up a bowl and takes a toke*
I need weed on this one lol

Two three, actually. I also want a smart tv… 40 inches, and subscriptions to Netflix and Disney+.

[Land of The Furries]

Oookaaayyy......
*Lights up a bowl and takes a toke*
I need weed on this one lol

Two, actually. I also want a smart tv… 40 inches, and subscriptions to Netflix and Disney+.

Lmao ok even though this distinctly has no relation to the topic but I here ya on that. But I could go without the Netflix sub.

[Lower Nubia]

Two, actually. I also want a smart tv… 40 inches, and subscriptions to Netflix and Disney+.

Lmao ok even though this distinctly has no relation to the topic but I here ya on that. But I could go without the Netflix sub.

Make sure the factory for lava lamps is built first, I’ve requested more lava lamps than usual.

I need the computer first actually. Get the factory that makes 1660s built first.

Actually I need the computer casing done first.