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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:40 am

Let me ask, what system to you think is better than democracy? What's more fair?
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:44 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Your vote matters exactly as much as everyone else's. If you think your vote should count for more or you want to ignore everyone else's opinion and impose what you want, sounds more than a little narcissistic.

And nobody's vote matters very much when the candidates and policies people vote for are all chosen by corporations through political parties.


Not voting doesn't solve that problem.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:04 am

i still don't understand why trump didn't cancel that 2020 election
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:12 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:i still don't understand why trump didn't cancel that 2020 election

Why?
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Postby Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:18 am

Forever Indomitable wrote:I was just wondering if there's anyone else who doesn't vote for whatever reason in their respective country.

In the US, there's this expression that gets thrown around: "Our democracy" and usually in the context of "X, Y or Z is a threat to our democracy". The thing is, though, if you're a cognitive minority in this country (or maybe in your country, too), you don't really get a say in how you're controlled. There's a "their" democracy for the privileged majorities, but in the idea of the marginalized having a voice, it doesn't exist. If you don't belong to 1 of the 2 parties that get everything here, you may as well cast your vote directly into the trash, because that's exactly what it's worth. And as far as trying to quantify which candidate or platform is marginally worse, I'd rather just abstain from "voting". Because being forced to choose who you'd rather get raped by is a fucking slap in the face and I'd rather just cross my arms than add insult to injury by wasting my time to go make the empty gesture of voting for someone that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.....but that's what it is to live in a society that values tyranny by majority as some kind of universal good.

So, that's why I don't vote. What about you?


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Postby Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:19 am

Floofybit wrote:Let me ask, what system to you think is better than democracy? What's more fair?


Juche

North Korea never argues about politics! :) :) :) Maybe the USA should take their lead.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:25 am

Repreteop wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Let me ask, what system to you think is better than democracy? What's more fair?


Juche

North Korea never argues about politics! :) :) :) Maybe the USA should take their lead.

Yeah, totally ;)
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Postby Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:26 am

Floofybit wrote:
Repreteop wrote:
Juche

North Korea never argues about politics! :) :) :) Maybe the USA should take their lead.

Yeah, totally ;)


I'm just smart like that.
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Postby Crysuko » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:30 am

my vote doesn't matter, and neither does yours. the elites and big money interests will lie, bribe and manipulate into getting their way no matter what.
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:48 am

The problem with politics in the West is that it is basically an ethno-cultural bottleneck that doesn't benefit you if you are not either part of the hegemony or assimilate (submit) to its dominant culture. In the U.S. both the Left and Right are cut from the same cloth.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:56 am

Floofybit wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:i still don't understand why trump didn't cancel that 2020 election

Why?

national security purposes
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:57 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Why?

national security purposes

The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:59 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Why?

national security purposes


Prioritizing business over life is already a violation of national security.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:02 am

Floofybit wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:national security purposes

The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense

trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:05 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense

trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election


>arrest

More like murder and probably rape given how unhinged guys like the ViQing are.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:08 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense

trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election

Yeah, that would have been a smart move
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:09 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election


>arrest

More like murder and probably rape given how unhinged guys like the ViQing are.

Yeah, I can freely murder people without getting impeached and arrested, definitely what would happen
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Postby Gepanzerberg » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:14 am

I understand what you're getting at. A two-party system is much better for the oligarchs that run a country since it gives an illusion of choice, compared to a one-party system that actively takes choice away from it's citizens. A two-party system, by encouraging tribalistic thinking, eliminates other options due to fear of "the Other" succeeding.

The problem isn't that Americans are privileged, it's that the system is corrupt. So yeah, we can more freely exercise our rights within the purview of a democracy compared to those in other countries, but because of the system it feels that votes themselves don't matter. We don't feel like we're voting for a candidate, we feel like we are voting for a side: a side that we don't want to choose, but the side we feel compelled to choose.

Basically, a two-party system thrives off of neo-tribalist sentiment, which is perhaps more ruinous to a democracy than active suppression of political freedom

Free Algerstonia wrote:trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election


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Postby Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:20 am

Floofybit wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:national security purposes

The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense


Technically, even though the guy is clowning, the president can practically forfeit the elections (or close the elections), but thats when they are so humiliated by getting demolished in the elections.

Jimmy Carter did it (I think, I am basing off my memory.) when he got steamrolled by Reagan ( :shock: :shock: :shock: ) and closed the polls before California turnout.

I am probably wrong, but you get my point, you can forfeit the elections if you don't want to be clowned.
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Postby Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:22 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense

trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election


What are you smoking? Does it help with my trauma and forget about decency?
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:24 am

Repreteop wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense


Technically, even though the guy is clowning, the president can practically forfeit the elections (or close the elections), but thats when they are so humiliated by getting demolished in the elections.

Jimmy Carter did it (I think, I am basing off my memory.) when he got steamrolled by Reagan ( :shock: :shock: :shock: ) and closed the polls before California turnout.

I am probably wrong, but you get my point, you can forfeit the elections if you don't want to be clowned.

Trump wouldn't have forfeited. He wouldn't take no for an answer (and I wish he had won, not because he's good, but because Biden is incapable)
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:27 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:And nobody's vote matters very much when the candidates and policies people vote for are all chosen by corporations through political parties.


Not voting doesn't solve that problem.


And neither does voting.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:29 am

Everyone is griping about how bad democracy is, but can someone give me a better system? Like seriously, what would you rather have? A dictatorship?
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:29 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Your vote matters exactly as much as everyone else's. If you think your vote should count for more or you want to ignore everyone else's opinion and impose what you want, sounds more than a little narcissistic.

And nobody's vote matters very much when the candidates and policies people vote for are all chosen by corporations through political parties.

In the US we also have gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and the Senate to make things unequal.

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Then join a political party and influence who gets nominated yourself. 2 of my local councillors are friends of mine in part because I did just that- nothing stopping you from doing the same. As I've said before on this thread, democracies give you the tools to change things, just one of them being voting. You're welcome to use them.


You sound like San Lumen.

No political party of any significance is going to listen to a communist, and I don't have the money to make them do what I say. I can do some stuff to make a political impact, but voting and partisanship don't work.


And San Lumen would be correct on this.

Who's to say? Party memberships in big political parties are pretty diverse- you never know until you try. Besides, you could help build up a currently small communist party to become significant. You could agitate for and promote communist priorities separate from the ideology as a whole. Your donations may be too small for national politicians, but what about your local ones?

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Then join a political party and influence who gets nominated yourself. 2 of my local councillors are friends of mine in part because I did just that- nothing stopping you from doing the same. As I've said before on this thread, democracies give you the tools to change things, just one of them being voting. You're welcome to use them.



1) I've gathered evidence that you started a thread on NSG complaining about voting being useless because a privileged cognitive majority is defining the universal good. That your vote might as well go into the bin, and then concluding that that is why you don't vote. Seems like strong evidence to me that you aren't bothering to put in the hard work required to change peoples' minds.

2) The death and destruction that tends to accompany collapses would normally be seen as a very strong reason not to pursue such a course. Exactly what political agenda is so precious that it needs such a drastic thing, exactly?

3) The first tune you had was that you don't vote because you think that voting is useless. Now you're telling me that you actually do vote. Those are directly contradictory claims.


You may want to double check this conclusion before presenting it as "evidence"

Normalcy is irrelevant. And, judging by the number of wars that humanity has engaged in I question even the claim that aversion to war is "normal".

I stated that voting doesn't get me what I want. It would seem to follow from this claim that I do vote, or else how would I know it isn't working?


1) Oh, I'm sorry, how am I supposed to interpret phrases like "So that's why I don't vote" then?

2) "Given how many people are in prison for bestiality, I'd question that aversion to bestiality is normal."

3) Ditto for 1.
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Postby Untecna » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:30 am

Floofybit wrote:Everyone is griping about how bad democracy is, but can someone give me a better system? Like seriously, what would you rather have? A dictatorship?

An actual democracy would be better than whatever the US calls a "democracy".
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