My Vote Doesn't Matter

[Crysuko]

you're trying to spin me a "societal collapse = bad" yarn here, but it's just not working. give people a chance to throw the elites out?

where's my torch and pitchfork?

Societal collapse is probably not as much fun as young adult fiction makes out. Elites don't get thrown out, they just get replaced by another elite.

Strike while the iron is hot then, and make sure that a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource attains power. The status quo will end one way or another, this is just ripping the plaster off.

[Des-Bal]

This of course presumes that the victorious party won within a margin where they would need to woo third party voters to ensure victory.

Or that such third parties are even permitted to run...

No it doesn't, win or lose you can try to either make a pattern or turn things around.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Societal collapse is probably not as much fun as young adult fiction makes out. Elites don't get thrown out, they just get replaced by another elite.

Strike while the iron is hot then, and make sure that a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource attains power. The status quo will end one way or another, this is just ripping the plaster off.

I'm sure that is the naive dream of every revolutionary ever. Somehow never happens though.

[Crysuko]

Strike while the iron is hot then, and make sure that a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource attains power. The status quo will end one way or another, this is just ripping the plaster off.

I'm sure that is the naive dream of every revolutionary ever. Somehow never happens though.

there is such a thing as learning from history. better to at least try than sit around huffing, wondering why the status quo won't fix itself.

[Des-Bal]

you're trying to spin me a "societal collapse = bad" yarn here, but it's just not working. give people a chance to throw the elites out?

where's my torch and pitchfork?

Also a chance to kill ethnic minorities. Probably won't happen this time though. Probably.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

I'm sure that is the naive dream of every revolutionary ever. Somehow never happens though.

there is such a thing as learning from history. better to at least try than sit around huffing, wondering why the status quo won't fix itself.

I am suggesting learning from history.

[Crysuko]

you're trying to spin me a "societal collapse = bad" yarn here, but it's just not working. give people a chance to throw the elites out?

where's my torch and pitchfork?

Also a chance to kill ethnic minorities. Probably won't happen this time though. Probably.

I have done nothing but advocate for socialism, what in the hell are you talking about.

there is such a thing as learning from history. better to at least try than sit around huffing, wondering why the status quo won't fix itself.

I am suggesting learning from history.

you are suggesting cherrypicking from history.

[Des-Bal]

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I have done nothing but advocate for socialism, what in the hell are you talking about./quote]
You're fantasizing about public violence without actually understanding it. For what its worth I'm sure you'd feel awful watching the disproportionately jewish stockbrokers get dragged out of synagogues to be murdered and you'd probably agree things were going a little far once the rape and child killing started but it would be aces if you could you know not actively support it before hand.

[Crysuko]

I have done nothing but advocate for socialism, what in the hell are you talking about./quote]
You're fantasizing about public violence without actually understanding it. For what its worth I'm sure you'd feel awful watching the disproportionately jewish stockbrokers get dragged out of synagogues to be murdered and you'd probably agree things were going a little far once the rape and child killing started but it would be aces if you could you know not actively support it before hand.

I am advocating for displacement of the current regime for a socialist one, not some kind of red terror. I was being jokey with the torch and pitchfork comment.

[Des-Bal]

I am advocating for displacement of the current regime for a socialist one, not some kind of red terror. I was being jokey with the torch and pitchfork comment.

I was also being jokey, what are the odds you'd get close enough to witness anything truly terrible? You're not like a gun person so when shit goes down it's going to be lost and won by people who, whether for or against your cause, are by their character very unlike you. Displacement of the current regime is such a civilized phrase I can barely envision the mass graves.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

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I am suggesting learning from history.

you are suggesting cherrypicking from history.

What examples of elites being replaced by "a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource" am I ignoring?

[Crysuko]

I am advocating for displacement of the current regime for a socialist one, not some kind of red terror. I was being jokey with the torch and pitchfork comment.

I was also being jokey, what are the odds you'd get close enough to witness anything truly terrible? You're not like a gun person so when shit goes down it's going to be lost and won by people who, whether for or against your cause, are by their character very unlike you. Displacement of the current regime is such a civilized phrase I can barely envision the mass graves.

is there a particular reason you've put a rocket behind the constant references to mass murder. go and get angry at the right, then. they're the ones advocating for exile and killings. And i'm not a gun person because I live in a country where such things are illegal for average people to own.

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you are suggesting cherrypicking from history.

What examples of elites being replaced by "a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource" am I ignoring?

Take the ideology. find out what doesn't/didn't work with implementing it, and make sure to address it. it's not 1936 anymore, new methods of governance are needed. especially with economic and climate crises.

[Des-Bal]

is there a particular reason you've put a rocket behind the constant references to mass murder. go and get angry at the right, then. they're the ones advocating for exile and killings. And i'm not a gun person because I live in a country where such things are illegal for average people to own.

I can be angry at a lot of people, for the moment I've fixed my gaze on bullshit revolutionary rhetoric.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

I was also being jokey, what are the odds you'd get close enough to witness anything truly terrible? You're not like a gun person so when shit goes down it's going to be lost and won by people who, whether for or against your cause, are by their character very unlike you. Displacement of the current regime is such a civilized phrase I can barely envision the mass graves.

is there a particular reason you've put a rocket behind the constant references to mass murder. go and get angry at the right, then. they're the ones advocating for exile and killings. And i'm not a gun person because I live in a country where such things are illegal for average people to own.

What examples of elites being replaced by "a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource" am I ignoring?

Take the ideology. find out what doesn't/didn't work with implementing it, and make sure to address it. it's not 1936 anymore, new methods of governance are needed. especially with economic and climate crises.

What examples of elites being replaced by "a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource" am I ignoring?

[Crysuko]

is there a particular reason you've put a rocket behind the constant references to mass murder. go and get angry at the right, then. they're the ones advocating for exile and killings. And i'm not a gun person because I live in a country where such things are illegal for average people to own.


Take the ideology. find out what doesn't/didn't work with implementing it, and make sure to address it. it's not 1936 anymore, new methods of governance are needed. especially with economic and climate crises.

What examples of elites being replaced by "a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource" am I ignoring?

read the post you just replied to, then get back to me.

is there a particular reason you've put a rocket behind the constant references to mass murder. go and get angry at the right, then. they're the ones advocating for exile and killings. And i'm not a gun person because I live in a country where such things are illegal for average people to own.

I can be angry at a lot of people, for the moment I've fixed my gaze on bullshit revolutionary rhetoric.

then turn your ire upon liberals with terminal bay area brain.

[American Legionaries]

I was also being jokey, what are the odds you'd get close enough to witness anything truly terrible? You're not like a gun person so when shit goes down it's going to be lost and won by people who, whether for or against your cause, are by their character very unlike you. Displacement of the current regime is such a civilized phrase I can barely envision the mass graves.

is there a particular reason you've put a rocket behind the constant references to mass murder. go and get angry at the right, then. they're the ones advocating for exile and killings. And i'm not a gun person because I live in a country where such things are illegal for average people to own.

What examples of elites being replaced by "a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource" am I ignoring?

Take the ideology. find out what doesn't/didn't work with implementing it, and make sure to address it. it's not 1936 anymore, new methods of governance are needed. especially with economic and climate crises.

It's generally illegal for average people to violently overthrow the government too...

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

What examples of elites being replaced by "a government that deigns to care about people as anything other than an abstract resource" am I ignoring?

read the post you just replied to, then get back to me.

Don't have any? Okay then I am not cherry picking from history.

[Crysuko]

is there a particular reason you've put a rocket behind the constant references to mass murder. go and get angry at the right, then. they're the ones advocating for exile and killings. And i'm not a gun person because I live in a country where such things are illegal for average people to own.


Take the ideology. find out what doesn't/didn't work with implementing it, and make sure to address it. it's not 1936 anymore, new methods of governance are needed. especially with economic and climate crises.

It's generally illegal for average people to violently overthrow the government too...

hasn't stopped movements left and right (ha) from at least trying to do so

[Des-Bal]

It's generally illegal for average people to violently overthrow the government too...

I'm stoked for this rule following revolution where millions of peoples lives are radically altered against their will but nobody does anything about it.

[American Legionaries]

It's generally illegal for average people to violently overthrow the government too...

hasn't stopped movements left and right (ha) from at least trying to do so

Of course not, I'm just saying that if you plan on breaking the latter rule, you might want to consider breaking the former rule first.

[-Astoria-]

I was just wondering if there's anyone else who doesn't vote for whatever reason in their respective country.

I personally don't, but that's because:

• I've no idea who to vote for out of almost 100 parties on the ballot (most of which absolutely no one has ever heard of), and
• no parties have anything in the way of distinct ideologies (and their platforms/manifestos mean exactly nothing),
• said parties are usually exclusively based on ethnic/religious lines, and
• many of their members switch party affiliations every so often.

Personally the only difference between the parties are their logos and whoever's the slightly-well-known moneyed businessmen of the week they've got as their leaders.

And as far as trying to quantify which candidate or platform is marginally worse, I'd rather just abstain from "voting".

In my case, it's 'who even are these people that only seem to emerge when it's election time?'

[Dayganistan]

I live in Canada and feel discouraged from voting. I like the idea in theory of sending a local representative to Ottawa. But in practice the local representative doesn't matter and people just vote along party lines. And unfortunately, I live somewhere that the candidate for a party I'm unlikely to ever vote for is the only one that will ever win. So yes, I feel discouraged for voting and probably wouldn't feel like it matters unless we switched to some sort of proportional system. Or if I moved somewhere that more than one party's candidate has a chance of winning.

[Reino de Portvgal]

This is one of those privileged idiotic 1st world problems democratic countries have from time to time. You all think your 1 vote doesnt matter but you're more than willing to fight in a civil war to get what you want. You know whats a way to get what you want thats fair and doesnt necessitate violence? Voting in a democratic election.

Your 1 vote may mean very little but every other alternative is considerably worth even less. Remember that.

But voting doesn't get me what I want. Because I'm not part of the majority party.

Yeah but you should still vote, even if you dont elect anyone, I allways vote and never got the party that I voted for getting the majority or forming a government. So what, that's democracy. Just exercice your voting right even if it matters very little, after all it does but it's better than nothing.

[Countesia]

Unless you live in a deeply corrupted state, dictatorship or straight up anarchy, your vote matters in the sense that you were able to walk up to that ballot and choose who you wanted without threat to your life. You expressed your political beliefs via vote.

Also, different voting systems work better than first past the post. Ranked voting is much more representative when you break it down.

[Crysuko]

Unless you live in a deeply corrupted state, dictatorship or straight up anarchy, your vote matters in the sense that you were able to walk up to that ballot and choose who you wanted without threat to your life. You expressed your political beliefs via vote.

Also, different voting systems work better than first past the post. Ranked voting is much more representative when you break it down.

it's a suggestion box. those in charge are under no obligation to take it seriously.