What if America lost the War Of Independence

[Ethel mermania]

Since slavery ended in Britain only 30 or so years before the American Civil War, not seeing that point.

The Somerset Case removed enslavement from recognition under British law in 1772. The "domestic insurrections" Jefferson complained about in the 1776 Declaration of Independence referred to British encouraging enslaved Africans to escape from their American enslavers and, in the case of many, join the British forces. Thousands of them did indeed cross over to the British during the Revolution. Many wound up in places like Nova Scotia and/or Sierra Leone where, truth be told, they were not treated substantially better than free Blacks in the US. Britain ended trade in enslaved people in 1807 before formally outlawing enslavement in 1833.

Hahaha ha

Go to any Caribbean island ask them how well the British treated their ancestors.

Yes after the revolutionary War started the brits encouraged slaves to leave their revolutionary masters.

It was a war measure.


They weren't encouraging run aways in 1770.

Who brought slavery and racism to the United States of America? That would be you brits.

[Kerwa]

The Somerset Case removed enslavement from recognition under British law in 1772. The "domestic insurrections" Jefferson complained about in the 1776 Declaration of Independence referred to British encouraging enslaved Africans to escape from their American enslavers and, in the case of many, join the British forces. Thousands of them did indeed cross over to the British during the Revolution. Many wound up in places like Nova Scotia and/or Sierra Leone where, truth be told, they were not treated substantially better than free Blacks in the US. Britain ended trade in enslaved people in 1807 before formally outlawing enslavement in 1833.

Hahaha ha

Go to any Caribbean island ask them how well the British treated their ancestors.

Yes after the revolutionary War started the brits encouraged slaves to leave their revolutionary masters.

It was a war measure.


They weren't encouraging run aways in 1770.

Who brought slavery and racism to the United States of America? That would be you brits.

Nah. It was the Spanish. Same thing with peaches. The British really were a force for abolitionism, just not quite back then, you have to give them that.

On the other hand Brits also invented concentration camps for poor people, so it’s a mixed bag.

Edit: and slavery was in the Americas when Europeans showed up.

[Kerwa]

More importantly if the US has lost, french fries would be called chips and chips would be called crisps.

Duck van Dyke would also have had a less prominent career.

[Ethel mermania]

Hahaha ha

Go to any Caribbean island ask them how well the British treated their ancestors.

Yes after the revolutionary War started the brits encouraged slaves to leave their revolutionary masters.

It was a war measure.


They weren't encouraging run aways in 1770.

Who brought slavery and racism to the United States of America? That would be you brits.

Nah. It was the Spanish. Same thing with peaches. The British really were a force for abolitionism, just not quite back then, you have to give them that.

On the other hand Brits also invented concentration camps for poor people, so it’s a mixed bag.

Edit: and slavery was in the Americas when Europeans showed up.

I specifically said United States of.

When the colonies were formed the brits were the slave trade to them. It wasn't Spanish boats showing up with African slaves

During the American Civil War, the British aristocracy favored the South. It is true at that time The working man was far more abolitionist, possibly moreso than the Americans

Lincoln certainly appreciated them

https://acws.co.uk/archives-misc-lincoln_letter

[Kerwa]

Nah. It was the Spanish. Same thing with peaches. The British really were a force for abolitionism, just not quite back then, you have to give them that.

On the other hand Brits also invented concentration camps for poor people, so it’s a mixed bag.

Edit: and slavery was in the Americas when Europeans showed up.

I specifically said United States of.

When the colonies were formed the brits were the slave trade to them. It wasn't Spanish boats showing up with African slaves

During the American Civil War, the British aristocracy favored the South. It is true at that time The working man was far more abolitionist, possibly moreso than the Americans

Lincoln certainly appreciated them

https://acws.co.uk/archives-misc-lincoln_letter

Was Georgia not part of the United States? Slaves were here before the Brits. And the Brits would just bring their own from borders or Ireland if they needed them mostly anyway.

The English upper classes are opportunistic psychopathic bastards, this is true, but the slavery situation in the US would have been improved by a British victory, not just because of earlier emancipation, but also because of the supply of convicts and involuntary indentures. It’s not even a morality thing, just pragmatism.

[Ethel mermania]

I specifically said United States of.

When the colonies were formed the brits were the slave trade to them. It wasn't Spanish boats showing up with African slaves

During the American Civil War, the British aristocracy favored the South. It is true at that time The working man was far more abolitionist, possibly moreso than the Americans

Lincoln certainly appreciated them

https://acws.co.uk/archives-misc-lincoln_letter

Was Georgia not part of the United States? Slaves were here before the Brits. And the Brits would just bring their own from borders or Ireland if they needed them mostly anyway.

The English upper classes are opportunistic psychopathic bastards, this is true, but the slavery situation in the US would have been improved by a British victory, not just because of earlier emancipation, but also because of the supply of convicts and involuntary indentures. It’s not even a morality thing, just pragmatism.

Spanish were more in Florida and Texas at the time, Georgia was British.

The US banned the international slave trade in 1808. That said there were more than enough to sell and ship to the cotton states from the tobacco.

Again if the brits won the American revolutionary War slavery in all the colonies would have ended later, not sooner.

The problem with the indentured servants is they kept dying, its one of the reasons the colonies turned to slaves

[Platoon of Peace]

Your first source was a journalist’s listical and your second is a opinion piece. You don’t have sources, you have idiots. Read a fucking book.

It’s in agreement with what I learned from my history classes in Canada. Now if I could find my old textbook(s), that would further strengthen my case. In this day and age, many online sources have as much if not more reliability than even books. If anything, books are a sign of the olden times.

The thing about books is absolutely not true. I would say that 90% of sources cannot even compare to the reliability of a historical study book.

[The Two Jerseys]

Your first source was a journalist’s listical and your second is a opinion piece. You don’t have sources, you have idiots. Read a fucking book.

It’s in agreement with what I learned from my history classes in Canada. Now if I could find my old textbook(s), that would further strengthen my case. In this day and age, many online sources have as much if not more reliability than even books. If anything, books are a sign of the olden times.

My school textbooks say that the Cold War ended when the team of Ronald Reagan, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, and Jesus Christ destroyed the team of Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, and Kim Il-sung in a pickup basketball game.

That's straight facts.

[Infected Mushroom]

It’s in agreement with what I learned from my history classes in Canada. Now if I could find my old textbook(s), that would further strengthen my case. In this day and age, many online sources have as much if not more reliability than even books. If anything, books are a sign of the olden times.

My school textbooks say that the Cold War ended when the team of Ronald Reagan, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, and Jesus Christ destroyed the team of Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, and Kim Il-sung in a pickup basketball game.

That's straight facts.

How does this relate to Canada? Or a hypothetical outcome with the American Revolution?

[Sordhau]

It’s in agreement with what I learned from my history classes in Canada. Now if I could find my old textbook(s), that would further strengthen my case. In this day and age, many online sources have as much if not more reliability than even books. If anything, books are a sign of the olden times.

My school textbooks say that the Cold War ended when the team of Ronald Reagan, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, and Jesus Christ destroyed the team of Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, and Kim Il-sung in a pickup basketball game.

That's straight facts.

Clearly it's not because it's got Jesus and Reagan on the same time. Why would God and the Devil be on the same side? That's just nonsense.

[Ethel mermania]

My school textbooks say that the Cold War ended when the team of Ronald Reagan, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, and Jesus Christ destroyed the team of Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, and Kim Il-sung in a pickup basketball game.

That's straight facts.

Clearly it's not because it's got Jesus and Reagan on the same time. Why would God and the Devil be on the same side? That's just nonsense.

Complimentary talents, Jesus was quick off the ball and Ronnie was a terror on the boards.

[Heloin]

Your first source was a journalist’s listical and your second is a opinion piece. You don’t have sources, you have idiots. Read a fucking book.

It’s in agreement with what I learned from my history classes in Canada. Now if I could find my old textbook(s), that would further strengthen my case.

Canada’s residential schools which are part of a massive ongoing debate that include whether or not they were genocide only ended in 1998. Your textbooks were bad.

In this day and age, many online sources have as much if not more reliability than even books. If anything, books are a sign of the olden times.

Why did you think this is a smart argument rather then the fastest damning of your own point you could make?

[The Two Jerseys]

My school textbooks say that the Cold War ended when the team of Ronald Reagan, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, and Jesus Christ destroyed the team of Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, and Kim Il-sung in a pickup basketball game.

That's straight facts.

How does this relate to Canada? Or a hypothetical outcome with the American Revolution?

If the point was any further over your head it would have "Boeing" written on the side.

[Torrocca]

My school textbooks say that the Cold War ended when the team of Ronald Reagan, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, and Jesus Christ destroyed the team of Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Mao, and Kim Il-sung in a pickup basketball game.

That's straight facts.

Clearly it's not because it's got Jesus and Reagan on the same time. Why would God and the Devil be on the same side? That's just nonsense.

He's the supply-side variant with a quick whitewashing to be palatable, of course.

[Infected Mushroom]

How does this relate to Canada? Or a hypothetical outcome with the American Revolution?

If the point was any further over your head it would have "Boeing" written on the side.

And now you speak of aircraft? What is this nonsense?

[The Two Jerseys]

If the point was any further over your head it would have "Boeing" written on the side.

And now you speak of aircraft? What is this nonsense?

You've got to be some sort of hypothetical scenario-writing bot, there's no way a human can be this oblivious to sarcasm...

[Texian Assault Brigades]

If America lost, we would have a Nationstates thread about what if they won.

[Nitrana]

I think the British would be the US of this world. Also, agree with AN.

[Ayytaly]

Or, just have the US take over all of North and South America. That way we're not "Usionian", we're not offending people in the other countries of 'the Americas' and we're sure as hell not communist.

Provided that the demograph is 75% Latino and handegg is banned.

[Stellar Colonies]

Direct rule from Sacramento for North and South America!

And on the topic, it would be interesting to see the status of California in such a timeline. British dominion like Canada? Independent country of either a Spanish/Latino or British bent? Merely part of a larger entity such as a more coherent Mexico or whatever the Brits build? Maybe some more Amerindian influence if there wasn’t the genocide we had.

[Erablegensstan]

What country are you from?

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.
"Hey, did you hear about that recent shooting? What an honest tragedy- we must take measures to-"
"OI YA FOOKIN AMECAN CUNT THATS WHOT YE GET!!"
"What the fuck?"
"WE BUNT DOWN THE WHOITE HOUSE"

I for one encourage the taunting of you americans everytime disaster strikes you, since you do it to the rest of the world.

[Stellar Colonies]

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.
"Hey, did you hear about that recent shooting? What an honest tragedy- we must take measures to-"
"OI YA FOOKIN AMECAN CUNT THATS WHOT YE GET!!"
"What the fuck?"
"WE BUNT DOWN THE WHOITE HOUSE"

I for one encourage the taunting of you americans everytime disaster strikes you, since you do it to the rest of the world.

Charming sentiment.

[Suriyanakhon]

The effect on world history would be so broad that isn't impossible to make any long term conclusions what it would have looked like. In the short term, considering that France and Spain both went through an immense amount of financial strain to support the revolutionaries, a British victory would have increased the popular anger that lead to the French Revolution. If Napoleon still came to power, the fact that the British would've had to station loads of troops in the colonies to maintain order might have worked against Britain during the Napoleonic Wars, and there's no way Napoleon would have sold Louisiana. Other than possibly that, I have no clue.

[Kingdom of Intermaria]

It would probably be the Commonwealth of British America, and I got a lore already set up. Give me 2 days first, then I'll finish it in my factbook.

[Platoon of Peace]

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.
"Hey, did you hear about that recent shooting? What an honest tragedy- we must take measures to-"
"OI YA FOOKIN AMECAN CUNT THATS WHOT YE GET!!"
"What the fuck?"
"WE BUNT DOWN THE WHOITE HOUSE"

I for one encourage the taunting of you americans everytime disaster strikes you, since you do it to the rest of the world.

Y'all non americans really assume we all hate everyone else, think that we are the best beyond comprehension of the rest of the world, love guns, and love fast food. Maybe, just maybe, this is a crazy idea, we, how do I say this, DONT always hate everyone?