What if America lost the War Of Independence

[Narland]

Supporting blatant imperialism to own the commies.

Right-wing moment.

That was sarcasm. But communism is like the McPizza. It was tried, didn't work, move on.

Yes, but this McPizza will be different. The old employees even though they followed the recipe still didn't do it right. This McPizza will work because we have better intentions when following the recipe than they did.

[The Two Jerseys]

Then we'd be living in the Dominion of America.

[Narland]

It is too pivotal a time in history to tell. The immediate effects would be the hanging of some of the greatest minds in world history. Invention and technological advancement might be thwarted somewhat. Anglo-America would probably be eventually run as a dominion of provinces similar to Canada, with what are States arbitrarily reduced in number and expanded in size. The Commonwealth Republican ideals would still be a strong substrata within the Anglosphere, but hierarchical governance would be the norm.

The next internal aspect might be the Southern Rebellion when England outlawed slavery. The British commitment would strain the Empire during the 1840s affecting its European concerns. There would probably be no Westward Expansion from national exuberance with Spain keeping the US Southwest. Russia would probably still own Alaska.

GB access to resources closer at hand would change the shape of resource development in farther colonies. Constitutionalism would probably remain confined to Common Law and Parliamentary procedures. Napoleon may have permanently been stopped early.

Britain would have a strong interest in stopping the Mexican State from conquering its neighboring Hispanic States, and keeping Maximillian out of the Americas. Mexico as a federal conquest would probably be limited to Central and South Mexico. Coahuila y Tejas (CyT) might be a nation. The Hispanic Northwest (US Southwest) would probably be able to hold off invasion from Santa Ana and be their own coalition of Nations aligned with CyT.

[Kalivyah]

Or, just have the US take over all of North and South America. That way we're not "Usionian", we're not offending people in the other countries of 'the Americas' and we're sure as hell not communist.

Supporting blatant imperialism to own the commies.

Right-wing moment.

Is it really imperialism if it's against Canada though (they deserve it)

[Vistulange]

Supporting blatant imperialism to own the commies.

Right-wing moment.

Is it really imperialism if it's against Canada though (they deserve it)

What the fuck is with you and this hatred towards Anglo folks/countries?

[Kalivyah]

Is it really imperialism if it's against Canada though (they deserve it)

What the fuck is with you and this hatred towards Anglo folks/countries?

I will apologize for my conduct when they stop acting so unbelievably pretentious and as if though their nations are the best nations that the Lord has ever blessed the Earth with.

[Platoon of Peace]

What the fuck is with you and this hatred towards Anglo folks/countries?

I will apologize for my conduct when they stop acting so unbelievably pretentious and as if though their nations are the best nations that the Lord has ever blessed the Earth with.

What country are you from?

[Kalivyah]

I will apologize for my conduct when they stop acting so unbelievably pretentious and as if though their nations are the best nations that the Lord has ever blessed the Earth with.

What country are you from?

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.
"Hey, did you hear about that recent shooting? What an honest tragedy- we must take measures to-"
"OI YA FOOKIN AMECAN CUNT THATS WHOT YE GET!!"
"What the fuck?"
"WE BUNT DOWN THE WHOITE HOUSE"

[Free Algerstonia]

What country are you from?

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.

lol go back to eating whitewashed tacos at mcdonalds you oil american

[Kalivyah]

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.

lol go back to eating whitewashed tacos at mcdonalds you oil american

别说话了，年轻人

[Platoon of Peace]

What country are you from?

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.
"Hey, did you hear about that recent shooting? What an honest tragedy- we must take measures to-"
"OI YA FOOKIN AMECAN CUNT THATS WHOT YE GET!!"
"What the fuck?"
"WE BUNT DOWN THE WHOITE HOUSE"

Canada is that one cousin that brags about how much better their grades are.

[Kalivyah]

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.
"Hey, did you hear about that recent shooting? What an honest tragedy- we must take measures to-"
"OI YA FOOKIN AMECAN CUNT THATS WHOT YE GET!!"
"What the fuck?"
"WE BUNT DOWN THE WHOITE HOUSE"

Canada is that one cousin that brags about how much better their grades are.

This.

[Big Bad Blue]

Legally-sanctioned enslavement would have ended a hundred years more or less before it actually did, ergo no US Civil War. Bezos and Musk would be Dukes instead of just oligarchs. Yanks would have teeth as rotten as Limeys. No NFL or MLB. The entire nation would "get" Monty Python and The Prisoner.

[Ethel mermania]

Legally-sanctioned enslavement would have ended a hundred years more or less before it actually did, ergo no US Civil War. Bezos and Musk would be Dukes instead of just oligarchs. Yanks would have teeth as rotten as Limeys. No NFL or MLB. The entire nation would "get" Monty Python and The Prisoner.

Since slavery ended in Britain only 30 or so years before the American Civil War, not seeing that point.

[Heloin]

This is the dumbest thing you can continue to say and believe. It’s not just wrong, it’s offensively wrong. The British Empire committed dozens of genocides, the British Empire invented concentration camps, the British Empire paid bounties to hunt native peoples for sport.

No, the British would have been better than the Americans in their treatment of natives.

It is both foolish and just flatly incorrect to view Canadian treatment of natives as "better" or to assume that British rule would have changed anything when you can look at the history of every single British colony and see the Empire was at all times ontologically evil. Your source is bad.

I understand that you are from the USA but you can't let that bias your assessment.

I'm from possibly the British Empire's worst colony. I have living relatives who helped massacre children in Kenya and my great grandmother was born in a British concentration camp. You are a wealthily Canadian in Hong Kong who refuses to read a single history book in favour of half remembering lies taught to you in primary school and listicles that were the first result you googled.

There's a whole order of magnitude of difference in terms of what the British did and what the Americans did in North America. This is emphasised in the last paragraph. In history I learned that the British enforcing this 1763 proclamation is one of the root causes of the American Revolution, the USA literally fought the war in part because they wanted to colonise the Indians and Britain said "hey wait a minute, that's too much." Citing Canada/British North America and saying, "that's the same as what the USA pulled in North America" shows a grave misunderstanding of Canadian history. In terms of the numbers and the lands stolen and the magnitude of the mistreatment, it's not even close.

The British government encouraged hunting the Beothuk people for sport and gave out bounties for their scalps to white hunters, they only ended this practice when those remaining people numbered likely in the dozens and were still kidnapped and murdered by Canadian settlers. Read a book one day instead of licking the boots of an empire that never did anything good in its whole existence.

[Heloin]

Legally-sanctioned enslavement would have ended a hundred years more or less before it actually did, ergo no US Civil War. Bezos and Musk would be Dukes instead of just oligarchs. Yanks would have teeth as rotten as Limeys. No NFL or MLB. The entire nation would "get" Monty Python and The Prisoner.

Since slavery ended in Britain only 30 or so years before the American Civil War, not seeing that point.

I can't remember who made the point but I do remember reading it once that had the United States remained in the British Empire Slavery would have lasted another twenty years in the Empire and only ended with a civil war in North America.

[Big Bad Blue]

Legally-sanctioned enslavement would have ended a hundred years more or less before it actually did, ergo no US Civil War. Bezos and Musk would be Dukes instead of just oligarchs. Yanks would have teeth as rotten as Limeys. No NFL or MLB. The entire nation would "get" Monty Python and The Prisoner.

Since slavery ended in Britain only 30 or so years before the American Civil War, not seeing that point.

The Somerset Case removed enslavement from recognition under British law in 1772. The "domestic insurrections" Jefferson complained about in the 1776 Declaration of Independence referred to British encouraging enslaved Africans to escape from their American enslavers and, in the case of many, join the British forces. Thousands of them did indeed cross over to the British during the Revolution. Many wound up in places like Nova Scotia and/or Sierra Leone where, truth be told, they were not treated substantially better than free Blacks in the US. Britain ended trade in enslaved people in 1807 before formally outlawing enslavement in 1833.

[Bovad]

That was sarcasm. But communism is like the McPizza. It was tried, didn't work, move on.

Yes, but this McPizza will be different. The old employees even though they followed the recipe still didn't do it right. This McPizza will work because we have better intentions when following the recipe than they did.

It worked.

[Big Bad Blue]

Yes, but this McPizza will be different. The old employees even though they followed the recipe still didn't do it right. This McPizza will work because we have better intentions when following the recipe than they did.

It worked.

Capitalism has failed in every country where it has been tried.

[Bovad]

It worked.

Capitalism has failed in every country where it has been tried.

More it just outsources the failure to other countries.

[Platoon of Peace]

It worked.

Capitalism has failed in every country where it has been tried.

Has it? The western world would beg to differ.

[Infected Mushroom]

No, the British would have been better than the Americans in their treatment of natives.

It is both foolish and just flatly incorrect to view Canadian treatment of natives as "better" or to assume that British rule would have changed anything when you can look at the history of every single British colony and see the Empire was at all times ontologically evil. Your source is bad.

I understand that you are from the USA but you can't let that bias your assessment.

I'm from possibly the British Empire's worst colony. I have living relatives who helped massacre children in Kenya and my great grandmother was born in a British concentration camp. You are a wealthily Canadian in Hong Kong who refuses to read a single history book in favour of half remembering lies taught to you in primary school and listicles that were the first result you googled.

There's a whole order of magnitude of difference in terms of what the British did and what the Americans did in North America. This is emphasised in the last paragraph. In history I learned that the British enforcing this 1763 proclamation is one of the root causes of the American Revolution, the USA literally fought the war in part because they wanted to colonise the Indians and Britain said "hey wait a minute, that's too much." Citing Canada/British North America and saying, "that's the same as what the USA pulled in North America" shows a grave misunderstanding of Canadian history. In terms of the numbers and the lands stolen and the magnitude of the mistreatment, it's not even close.

The British government encouraged hunting the Beothuk people for sport and gave out bounties for their scalps to white hunters, they only ended this practice when those remaining people numbered likely in the dozens and were still kidnapped and murdered by Canadian settlers. Read a book one day instead of licking the boots of an empire that never did anything good in its whole existence.

My sources say otherwise (that there was better and more fair treatment overall by the British/Canadians). You’re pointing to outlier events, not the totality. Here, look at this:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... held-in-a/

America’s history in the 19th century in dealing with Indigenous peoples is held in a harsher light by historians than Canada’s. In settling the West, Americans saw them as the enemy and waged war with tribes sporadically from the 1780s until the 1890s.

On the Canadian side, there were some battles, but generally, the Indigenous peoples were seen more as economic partners in the fur trade and were occasionally military allies as well. The differences were such, as noted by American Indian studies historian Roger Nichols, that Canada was a place of refuge. “From the era of American independence on, many tribal people looked north to Canada for help and shelter.” Thousands came.

By comparison with the U.S., Canadian prime minister Alexander Mackenzie boasted in 1877 that Canadian policy was “humane, just, and Christian.” James Douglas, governor of British Columbia, wrote, “Nothing would be more disastrous than if we were reduced in the opinion of Indians to the level of Americans.” Douglas signed treaties with local First Nations, although it’s debated today if these agreements were presented in good faith.

[Perikuresu]

The United States. I'm not crazy patriotic about my country but the moment I mention I'm American at least ONE English person has to fucking talk shit.

lol go back to eating whitewashed tacos at mcdonalds you oil american

You are becoming my favourite NSGer rn

[Heloin]

It is both foolish and just flatly incorrect to view Canadian treatment of natives as "better" or to assume that British rule would have changed anything when you can look at the history of every single British colony and see the Empire was at all times ontologically evil. Your source is bad.


I'm from possibly the British Empire's worst colony. I have living relatives who helped massacre children in Kenya and my great grandmother was born in a British concentration camp. You are a wealthily Canadian in Hong Kong who refuses to read a single history book in favour of half remembering lies taught to you in primary school and listicles that were the first result you googled.


The British government encouraged hunting the Beothuk people for sport and gave out bounties for their scalps to white hunters, they only ended this practice when those remaining people numbered likely in the dozens and were still kidnapped and murdered by Canadian settlers. Read a book one day instead of licking the boots of an empire that never did anything good in its whole existence.

My sources say otherwise (that there was better and more fair treatment overall by the British/Canadians). You’re pointing to outlier events, not the totality. Here, look at this:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... held-in-a/

America’s history in the 19th century in dealing with Indigenous peoples is held in a harsher light by historians than Canada’s. In settling the West, Americans saw them as the enemy and waged war with tribes sporadically from the 1780s until the 1890s.

On the Canadian side, there were some battles, but generally, the Indigenous peoples were seen more as economic partners in the fur trade and were occasionally military allies as well. The differences were such, as noted by American Indian studies historian Roger Nichols, that Canada was a place of refuge. “From the era of American independence on, many tribal people looked north to Canada for help and shelter.” Thousands came.

By comparison with the U.S., Canadian prime minister Alexander Mackenzie boasted in 1877 that Canadian policy was “humane, just, and Christian.” James Douglas, governor of British Columbia, wrote, “Nothing would be more disastrous than if we were reduced in the opinion of Indians to the level of Americans.” Douglas signed treaties with local First Nations, although it’s debated today if these agreements were presented in good faith.

Your first source was a journalist’s listical and your second is a opinion piece. You don’t have sources, you have idiots. Read a fucking book.

[Infected Mushroom]

My sources say otherwise (that there was better and more fair treatment overall by the British/Canadians). You’re pointing to outlier events, not the totality. Here, look at this:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... held-in-a/

Your first source was a journalist’s listical and your second is a opinion piece. You don’t have sources, you have idiots. Read a fucking book.

It’s in agreement with what I learned from my history classes in Canada. Now if I could find my old textbook(s), that would further strengthen my case. In this day and age, many online sources have as much if not more reliability than even books. If anything, books are a sign of the olden times.