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What would a present day U.S. civil war look like?

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:02 am

Like the American Revolution, but with pickup trucks and automatic weapons.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:58 am

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El Lazaro wrote:Please excuse me, I’m unfamiliar with the Alabaman education system. How can I rephrase that for you?

Try coherent sentences, each with one complete thought in them. Then place these sentences into paragraphs in an order that makes them flow logically.

Actual facts instead of Today's Top Democratic Talking Points would also be helpful but a more structured post would be more than enough.
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Postby Afrikan Staat » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:00 am

The one supported by the military will win, that side being the moderate neoliberals.

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Postby Techocracy101010 » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:45 am

Vassenor wrote:
Wynnemac wrote:I'm asking for objective answers, not for people's bitter revenge fantasies.


So you're saying that the US Military wouldn't go all Peace Through Superior Firepower on any insurgency?


son those folks are your neighbors and the danger zone for a jdam is measured in hundreds of feet. Keep in mind how many civys got pasted in iraq and a stan by drone strikes despite their houses having thick concrete or mud walls that could stop .50 bmg fire . Cletus lives next to you and your 3/4 inch plywood walls will not even stop pistol rounds.

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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:54 am

Techocracy101010 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're saying that the US Military wouldn't go all Peace Through Superior Firepower on any insurgency?


son those folks are your neighbors and the danger zone for a jdam is measured in hundreds of feet. Keep in mind how many civys got pasted in iraq and a stan by drone strikes despite their houses having thick concrete or mud walls that could stop .50 bmg fire . Cletus lives next to you and your 3/4 inch plywood walls will not even stop pistol rounds.


You're barking up the wrong tree, Vassenor is British, and unconcerned with the deaths of innocent Americans.

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Postby Chan Island » Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:06 pm

With a lot of dead.

Let's not.
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Postby Pangurstan » Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:22 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Because they are a Joke and a disgrace to our nation. We don't respect Feds who ignore child Trafficking to focus on non existent Domestic Terrorists (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... blower.amp)
Or think we're a threat to democracy. The people have no obligation to respect or fallow a government that works against their best interests.

Quick reminder that Confederates were racist traitors and being anti-democracy and pro-America are mutually exclusive.

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While I agree with pedo Gaetz and kidnapper DeSantis going to prison, that doesn’t mean terrorists and seditionists can’t be prosecuted too. Coincidentally, the legislators who voted against the 2022 Trafficking Victims Prevention Act were all MAGA Republicans.

"Bro listen to me bro we have to arrest all of the opponents of my side to prevent a civil war. Wait why are you saying saying that purging congress isn't authoritarian? "
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Postby Torisakia » Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:45 pm

Lots of destruction and violence if I'm lucky. It would be the most entertainment this country has provided me in 2 1/2 decades.
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:54 pm

Pangurstan wrote:
While I agree with pedo Gaetz and kidnapper DeSantis going to prison, that doesn’t mean terrorists and seditionists can’t be prosecuted too. Coincidentally, the legislators who voted against the 2022 Trafficking Victims Prevention Act were all MAGA Republicans.

"Bro listen to me bro we have to arrest all of the opponents of my side to prevent a civil war. Wait why are you saying saying that purging congress isn't authoritarian? "

What? All Republican members of Congress are human traffickers? Or is it just generally wrong to hold politicians accountable for human trafficking?

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Postby Pangurstan » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:36 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Pangurstan wrote:
"Bro listen to me bro we have to arrest all of the opponents of my side to prevent a civil war. Wait why are you saying saying that purging congress isn't authoritarian? "

What? All Republican members of Congress are human traffickers? Or is it just generally wrong to hold politicians accountable for human trafficking?

You said that everyone who commits sedition (an incredible vague offense that was historically used to arrest people who criticized the government) "should be prosecuted"
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:41 pm

Pangurstan wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:What? All Republican members of Congress are human traffickers? Or is it just generally wrong to hold politicians accountable for human trafficking?

You said that everyone who commits sedition (an incredible vague offense that was historically used to arrest people who criticized the government) "should be prosecuted"

Terrorism is also a vague term that’s applied to legitimate fighters to harm their reputation, but that doesn’t mean it should be completely legal and encouraged.

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Postby Page » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:14 am

"Sedition" is an incredibly dangerous weapon in the state's Arsenal and those who wish the law would be turned against the MAGA crowd either don't know or don't appreciate its history in the US. Sedition was the charge used against war protesters and conscientious objecters during WW1.

"I don't want an 18 year old farm boy from Iowa dying or killing an 18 year old farm boy from Germany in a war that nobody but megalomaniacal monarchs wanted." That was sedition. If you said those words 105 years ago, they would lock you up.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:29 am

A civil war in the US will likely look like southern states declaring secession and then peacefully defending themselves from a stationary federal fort, and then we can have as many more battles of bull run as we want
We could make it an annual event
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:49 am

bloody long slow blurred lines. Imagine shootings with the intensity and size of north Hollywood or the India hotel attack 2-4 times a month and an Oklahoma city style event likely every 2 months. In between that neighbors get dragged from their houses with their families to be beaten tortured raped or killed . Local political gang violence is common till opposition is driven out or reformed . The federal government will be internally divided expect a lot of agents to devlop russian window jumping illness . State governments will experience the same thus hindering response. Military depots will be targets of raids by both sides .

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Postby Christian Confederation » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:25 am

Kubra wrote:A civil war in the US will likely look like southern states declaring secession and then peacefully defending themselves from a stationary federal fort, and then we can have as many more battles of bull run as we want
We could make it an annual event

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Postby Lomacrato » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:44 am

Present day-civil- war is pretty much impossible, but if it somehow happened in the Modern Society, it would have more destruction than the 1861 Civil War. Due to medical advancements, this war would have maybe at most have 50,000 deaths. Also, this war will probably begin with Russia as its main problem, due to Russia declaring war on Ukraine. US may be affected by this.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:44 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote:A civil war in the US will likely look like southern states declaring secession and then peacefully defending themselves from a stationary federal fort, and then we can have as many more battles of bull run as we want
We could make it an annual event

Ladies and Gentlemen welcome to the 5th annual America Bowl from our nations former Capital Washington DC, We have some great football today. The Georgia Bulldogs national Champions of the Republic Football League will face the Democratic People's Republic League champion *Insert Good Team from north*! Premier Andrew Yang of the People's Republic and President of the Republic Ron Desantis are both in attendance this year. Now for a world from our sponsors!

-The War may have decided us but both America's Still love the refreshing taste of Coke.
-They're a Threat to our democracy and I'll stop em!" Comming this summer from the creators of 'Capital Cop' and 'Mad Vlad' comes the next Block Buster. "Jim Carry is Biden!"
- Buy your tickets now for Turning Point USA's National Conference in Savannah Georgia. Keynote Speaker President Trump, President Desantis, and all your favorites!
-Millions of Weman in the Republic are denied abortion, just a dollar a day can help bring them to the People's Republic for the abortion they want.
I think you know what the northern team name is, buddy
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Postby Techocracy101010 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm

Lomacrato wrote:Present day-civil- war is pretty much impossible, but if it somehow happened in the Modern Society, it would have more destruction than the 1861 Civil War. Due to medical advancements, this war would have maybe at most have 50,000 deaths. Also, this war will probably begin with Russia as its main problem, due to Russia declaring war on Ukraine. US may be affected by this.


russia has no real capacity to project. You would see canada mexico and nato members plus Japan get involved in stabilization operations. If shit got really fucked china might get called in although i only see this happening if nato forces could not subdue a group that had acquired nuclear weapons .

sorry for shit grammar and spelling tired and on phone

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Postby Christian Confederation » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:54 pm

Kubra wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen welcome to the 5th annual America Bowl from our nations former Capital Washington DC, We have some great football today. The Georgia Bulldogs national Champions of the Republic Football League will face the Democratic People's Republic League champion *Insert Good Team from north*! Premier Andrew Yang of the People's Republic and President of the Republic Ron Desantis are both in attendance this year. Now for a world from our sponsors!

-The War may have decided us but both America's Still love the refreshing taste of Coke.
-They're a Threat to our democracy and I'll stop em!" Comming this summer from the creators of 'Capital Cop' and 'Mad Vlad' comes the next Block Buster. "Jim Carry is Biden!"
- Buy your tickets now for Turning Point USA's National Conference in Savannah Georgia. Keynote Speaker President Trump, President Desantis, and all your favorites!
-Millions of Weman in the Republic are denied abortion, just a dollar a day can help bring them to the People's Republic for the abortion they want.
I think you know what the northern team name is, buddy

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Postby Big Bad Blue » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:25 pm

Lomacrato wrote:Present day-civil- war is pretty much impossible, but if it somehow happened in the Modern Society, it would have more destruction than the 1861 Civil War. Due to medical advancements, this war would have maybe at most have 50,000 deaths. Also, this war will probably begin with Russia as its main problem, due to Russia declaring war on Ukraine. US may be affected by this.


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Postby Big Bad Blue » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:25 pm

Lomacrato wrote:Present day-civil- war is pretty much impossible, but if it somehow happened in the Modern Society, it would have more destruction than the 1861 Civil War. Due to medical advancements, this war would have maybe at most have 50,000 deaths. Also, this war will probably begin with Russia as its main problem, due to Russia declaring war on Ukraine. US may be affected by this.


Somalia
Syria
Cyprus
Rwanda
Sudan
Georgia
Azerbaijan
Moldova

Need I go on?

Let's Have a War
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:05 pm

The split would be along ideological lines, with the side that feeds the country and know how to shoot winning. How long it would last would depend entirely on how long the people in the cities can tolerate starving.
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Postby Galactic Powers » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:10 pm

The fact is, in daily life, most people aren't super political. I am friends with many republicans, and they are friends with me. If a "civil war" started, I don't think my neighbours would shoot me because I am a Democrat. The reality is that most people so polarized to think that a civil war is inevitable live in echo chambers with only people of their own side living with them. If it ever, god forbid, did happen, it wouldn't be a true civil war. More like some stuff like CHAZ, where some extremists take things to far but hopefully we all forgive each other in the end.

2024 would be the most likely date. I don't think either side will accept losing the election. Of course, I still firmly hope it never happens and suspect it won't, but I was wrong about Ukraine.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:18 pm

Big Jim P wrote:The split would be along ideological lines, with the side that feeds the country and know how to shoot winning. How long it would last would depend entirely on how long the people in the cities can tolerate starving.

You might want to check out what demographics farm workers belong to.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:23 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:The split would be along ideological lines, with the side that feeds the country and know how to shoot winning. How long it would last would depend entirely on how long the people in the cities can tolerate starving.

You might want to check out what demographics farm workers belong to.


Middle aged white people?

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