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What would civil war in the U.S. look like?

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What would a present day U.S. civil war look like?

Low intensity conflict (like the troubles or Years of Lead)
114
70%
States vs other States
29
18%
Other (state in response)
21
13%
 
Total votes : 164

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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:06 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Kubra wrote: Texas goes on a mad conquest, the 50 states become the lone star state

The worst off state in this scenario is probably New Mexico- poor, ideologically split, desertified, and dominated by a larger neighbour with legible economic reasons to treat it like Russia does Ukraine.

Are you talking about Texas or Chihuahua lol
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Postby Adirondack Commonwealth » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:03 am

Diopolis wrote:
Kubra wrote: Texas goes on a mad conquest, the 50 states become the lone star state

The worst off state in this scenario is probably New Mexico- poor, ideologically split, desertified, and dominated by a larger neighbour with legible economic reasons to treat it like Russia does Ukraine.


Does NM actually have anything anyone wants though?

Ukraine at least has grain.
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The New Rio Grande
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Postby The New Rio Grande » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:08 am

Christian Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The worst off state in this scenario is probably New Mexico- poor, ideologically split, desertified, and dominated by a larger neighbour with legible economic reasons to treat it like Russia does Ukraine.

It's 2025 and Texas has invaded New Mexico after President Abbott claims that the 2nd Republic of Texas has Historic Claim to the Land.

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:54 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The worst off state in this scenario is probably New Mexico- poor, ideologically split, desertified, and dominated by a larger neighbour with legible economic reasons to treat it like Russia does Ukraine.

It's 2025 and Texas has invaded New Mexico after President Abbott claims that the 2nd Republic of Texas has Historic Claim to the Land.
Meanwhile back east the Siege of Huntsville Alabama by the First Georgian Army has ended procuring the Rocket Factory for Georgia greatly Improving their chances of winning the Chattahoochee War.
The ongoing insurgency in New Jersey continues to divert New York forces away from the Connecticut War.

Interesting thing in this scenario- federal control disintegrating puts lots of federal forces on land controlled by state authorities they aren't necessarily loyal to.
Based on union endorsements, Greg Abbott would probably inherit control of the border patrol, giving him relatively militarized police forces all along the US Mexico border assuming he can pay their salaries(this is probably within the financial resources of the Texas government). That has limits, but it's difficult to imagine it isn't strong incentive for rural parts of southern New Mexico to listen to the Texas government over the New Mexico government.
Now the military is much less predictable; needless to say, even large, wealthy states with budget surpluses like Texas and California would have much greater difficulty in even beginning to pay the bills for the military.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:55 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Kubra wrote: Texas goes on a mad conquest, the 50 states become the lone star state

The worst off state in this scenario is probably New Mexico- poor, ideologically split, desertified, and dominated by a larger neighbour with legible economic reasons to treat it like Russia does Ukraine.
What's a "New Mexico"? Oh, you must mean the semi-autonomous former mexican territories of texas!
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:56 pm

Adirondack Commonwealth wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The worst off state in this scenario is probably New Mexico- poor, ideologically split, desertified, and dominated by a larger neighbour with legible economic reasons to treat it like Russia does Ukraine.


Does NM actually have anything anyone wants though?

Ukraine at least has grain.

New Mexico has lots of natural gas and uranium and smaller amounts of oil and precious metals.
There are currently regulatory barriers to exploiting a lot of it, but that can change fairly easily.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:25 pm

The USA civil war will not come, because the US government is using all its weapons to support terrorism in the Middle East.
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Postby Novaros » Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:29 pm

It would be chaotic
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:32 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The worst off state in this scenario is probably New Mexico- poor, ideologically split, desertified, and dominated by a larger neighbour with legible economic reasons to treat it like Russia does Ukraine.

Are you talking about Texas or Chihuahua lol

Considering Texas likely has more power over the Chihuahuan govt than Mexico does right now...
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Informed Consent
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Postby Informed Consent » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:20 pm

Well, a likely first step in a realistic scenario would be cities and states sheltering criminals in defiance, or at least pretended ignorance, of federal statute, and possibly stand by and allow violent subversives to attack and damage federal properties within their borders.
If a complicit media were to help distract from decades of this sort of behavior, gravy, but if there were a singular event by their political opposition that could be overblown and misrepresented as a "coup" that would deflect attention and recollection away from your own efforts the previous summer to wash streets across the nation with blood and fire in the name of "justice", but for the sake of chaos, I dunno if you get a war out of it, but it would be a damn good start.
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Christian Confederation
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Postby Christian Confederation » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:51 pm

Informed Consent wrote:Well, a likely first step in a realistic scenario would be cities and states sheltering criminals in defiance, or at least pretended ignorance, of federal statute, and possibly stand by and allow violent subversives to attack and damage federal properties within their borders.
If a complicit media were to help distract from decades of this sort of behavior, gravy, but if there were a singular event by their political opposition that could be overblown and misrepresented as a "coup" that would deflect attention and recollection away from your own efforts the previous summer to wash streets across the nation with blood and fire in the name of "justice", but for the sake of chaos, I dunno if you get a war out of it, but it would be a damn good start.
Good thing such things will never happen. It would also be crazy if half the country believed that the election was subverted leading to their candidate losing no matter what side won. It would be crazy if the President just labeled half the country a threat to our democracy, then the media saying nothing when people the president called a threat to our democracy started to be murdered... wait all that is happening. Guess we're been in a civil war but haven't realized yet.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Informed Consent wrote:Well, a likely first step in a realistic scenario would be cities and states sheltering criminals in defiance, or at least pretended ignorance, of federal statute, and possibly stand by and allow violent subversives to attack and damage federal properties within their borders.
If a complicit media were to help distract from decades of this sort of behavior, gravy, but if there were a singular event by their political opposition that could be overblown and misrepresented as a "coup" that would deflect attention and recollection away from your own efforts the previous summer to wash streets across the nation with blood and fire in the name of "justice", but for the sake of chaos, I dunno if you get a war out of it, but it would be a damn good start.
Good thing such things will never happen. It would also be crazy if half the country believed that the election was subverted leading to their candidate losing no matter what side won. It would be crazy if the President just labeled half the country a threat to our democracy, then the media saying nothing when people the president called a threat to our democracy started to be murdered... wait all that is happening. Guess we're been in a civil war but haven't realized yet.

Weird how Biden gets credit for that guy hitting someone with his car but Trump's incendiary comments get a pass when "Awake the Rapper" opens fire on a 4th of July parade or idiots storm the capitol.

I don't like either president, but you should at least be consistent.
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Christian Confederation
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Postby Christian Confederation » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:34 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote: Good thing such things will never happen. It would also be crazy if half the country believed that the election was subverted leading to their candidate losing no matter what side won. It would be crazy if the President just labeled half the country a threat to our democracy, then the media saying nothing when people the president called a threat to our democracy started to be murdered... wait all that is happening. Guess we're been in a civil war but haven't realized yet.

Weird how Biden gets credit for that guy hitting someone with his car but Trump's incendiary comments get a pass when "Awake the Rapper" opens fire on a 4th of July parade or idiots storm the capitol.

I don't like either president, but you should at least be consistent.

He gets blamed when he labels "MAGA Republicans" a threat to our democracy then someone Murders a kid because he was a Republican. He also gets blamed when a little old lady gets Murdered spreading awareness about a pro abortion bill. July 4th Shooter was a crackhead and had nothing to do with the Last President. Idiots storming the capital is on them "March down and peacefully let your voice be heard." Isn't very riot inciting.
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Informed Consent
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Postby Informed Consent » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:30 am

Christian Confederation wrote:Good thing such things will never happen. It would also be crazy if half the country believed that the election was subverted leading to their candidate losing no matter what side won. It would be crazy if the President just labeled half the country a threat to our democracy, then the media saying nothing when people the president called a threat to our democracy started to be murdered... wait all that is happening. Guess we're been in a civil war but haven't realized yet.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:24 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Weird how Biden gets credit for that guy hitting someone with his car but Trump's incendiary comments get a pass when "Awake the Rapper" opens fire on a 4th of July parade or idiots storm the capitol.

I don't like either president, but you should at least be consistent.

He gets blamed when he labels "MAGA Republicans" a threat to our democracy then someone Murders a kid because he was a Republican. He also gets blamed when a little old lady gets Murdered spreading awareness about a pro abortion bill. July 4th Shooter was a crackhead and had nothing to do with the Last President. Idiots storming the capital is on them "March down and peacefully let your voice be heard." Isn't very riot inciting.

That's not how it works. Crackhead or not, he was just as much a righwinger as the Buffalo shooter and the guy that hit counterprotestors with his car at the Unite the Right rally. Trump has said a number of incendiary things about people who oppose him in the past, and what he said was absolutely used to incite violence. His silence on it while it was happening is also telling.
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