What would civil war in the U.S. look like?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Trump likes to drink soda too, does that mean sods drinkers are standing for Trump?

Politics is to implement policy, and those are the policies that he pushed for. Your analogy doesn't work.

[Helakos]

Trump likes to drink soda too, does that mean sods drinkers are standing for Trump?

Politics is to implement policy, and those are the policies that he pushed for. Your analogy doesn't work.

The point is that you can vote for someone and not agree with all of their positions. It’s impossible to get everything you want in a candidate

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

the "(in American terms)" part referred to both "liberals" and "center-right progressives".

I disagree with that. I personally think they are the absolute most moderate form of Leftism. They want to achieve similar goals to Socialism and Communism, but they do it in a much more moderate and "Inside-the-system" way. It's definitely not Socialism, but it's similar enough to be considered at least distantly related.

such as?

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

I disagree with that. I personally think they are the absolute most moderate form of Leftism. They want to achieve similar goals to Socialism and Communism, but they do it in a much more moderate and "Inside-the-system" way. It's definitely not Socialism, but it's similar enough to be considered at least distantly related.

such as?

Taxing the rich more (distantly related to full scale economic equality)
Stronger government
More government intervention in the Economy (related to full state-owned industry)
Stuff like that. Its similar enough to be leftist, but it is still distinct and not socialism.

[Sordhau]

I see the Right-wing still hasn't figured out that Liberalism is also a Right-wing ideology.

In other news Summers are hot and Winters are cold.

[Helakos]

such as?

Taxing the rich more (distantly related to full scale economic equality)
Stronger government
More government intervention in the Economy (related to full state-owned industry)
Stuff like that. Its similar enough to be leftist, but it is still distinct and not socialism.

Socialism is workers owning the means of production not the state

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Politics is to implement policy, and those are the policies that he pushed for. Your analogy doesn't work.

The point is that you can vote for someone and not agree with all of their positions.

Sure, but the meat and potatoes of what he did are what I listed. He proudly runs on how he cut taxes on the wealthy so they can create jobs. He doesn't run on any other true policies, just culture war grievances.

It's just repackaged Reaganomics, and he did nothing else noteworthy. Hell, he's attacking Biden for pulling out of Afghanistan, not to mention seeking war with Iran. You can't even truly say he's non-interventionist either.

The only thing that changed was rhetoric.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Taxing the rich more (distantly related to full scale economic equality)
Stronger government
More government intervention in the Economy (related to full state-owned industry)
Stuff like that. Its similar enough to be leftist, but it is still distinct and not socialism.

Socialism is workers owning the means of production not the state

The industry is owned by the state, but run by the people.
At least, to oversimplify.

[Helakos]

The point is that you can vote for someone and not agree with all of their positions.

Sure, but the meat and potatoes of what he did are what I listed. He proudly runs on how he cut taxes on the wealthy so they can create jobs. He doesn't run on any other true policies, just culture war grievances.

It's just repackaged Reaganomics, and he did nothing else noteworthy. Hell, he's attacking Biden for pulling out of Afghanistan, not to mention seeking war with Iran. You can't even truly say he's non-interventionist either.

The only thing that changed was rhetoric.

Look were going to have to agree to disagree on this one

What did you vote for?

[Helakos]

Socialism is workers owning the means of production not the state

The industry is owned by the state, but run by the people.
At least, to oversimplify.

If its owned by the state how can the people run it unless they get the states permission? Whos in charge?

[The Great Order of Tuna]

Racism is and will be a problem for a very long, long time.

If any of those situations might happen, then I think that "the South will rise again."

And probably some states that really want to break away,

Cascadia gaming.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

such as?

Taxing the rich more (distantly related to full scale economic equality)

since when do most democrats support this?

Stronger government

this isn't an opinion of every socialist ideology. supporting stronger governments doesn't make you a leftist or a rightist, it makes you an authoritarian.

More government intervention in the Economy (related to full state-owned industry)

this is the most compelling argument, but I still don't think it's enough for liberals to count as leftist. also, not all leftists support state-owned industry or even much government intervention in the Economy.

[Helakos]

Their is no left vs right

Its only authoritarianism vs libertarianism and everyone falls somewhere in the spectrum

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Sure, but the meat and potatoes of what he did are what I listed. He proudly runs on how he cut taxes on the wealthy so they can create jobs. He doesn't run on any other true policies, just culture war grievances.

It's just repackaged Reaganomics, and he did nothing else noteworthy. Hell, he's attacking Biden for pulling out of Afghanistan, not to mention seeking war with Iran. You can't even truly say he's non-interventionist either.

The only thing that changed was rhetoric.

Look were going to have to agree to disagree on this one

What did you vote for?

I will answer this, but first, what policy did Trump implement that was so great that it overshadows the Reaganomics?

[Texian Assault Brigades]

Underestimating actual communists, you mean.

Not westernized liberals who's entire mindset is based off of appeasement of extremist minority groups (who would probably have them all murdered if they were the majority group) and self-hatred.

I, too, can imagine people in my head.

“No we- I mean they’re not real!! You’re just imaging people in you head!!1! They’re not like that at all!!”

[Helakos]

Look were going to have to agree to disagree on this one

What did you vote for?

I will answer this, but first, what policy did Trump implement that was so great that it overshadows the Reaganomics?

I never said it overshadowed anything

I liked his stance on things like the border and bringing business home and putting tarrifs on nations like china

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Taxing the rich more (distantly related to full scale economic equality)

since when do most democrats support this?

Stronger government

this isn't an opinion of every socialist ideology. supporting stronger governments doesn't make you a leftist or a rightist, it makes you an authoritarian.

More government intervention in the Economy (related to full state-owned industry)

this is the most compelling argument, but I still don't think it's enough for liberals to count as leftist. also, not all leftists support state-owned industry or even much government intervention in the Economy.

The democrats as a party are hardly liberal. I'm not talking about established parties that claim to be liberal, I'm talking about the ideology itself in the people's minds.
And, There probably is more examples, but my brain is pretty fried right now, sorry.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

I, too, can imagine people in my head.

“No we- I mean they’re not real!! You’re just imaging people in you head!!1! They’re not like that at all!!”

You realize that insulting the other guy your arguing with does absolutely nothing to either end the argument nor continue it, and only makes it worse.

[Helakos]

since when do most democrats support this?



this isn't an opinion of every socialist ideology. supporting stronger governments doesn't make you a leftist or a rightist, it makes you an authoritarian.



this is the most compelling argument, but I still don't think it's enough for liberals to count as leftist. also, not all leftists support state-owned industry or even much government intervention in the Economy.

The democrats as a party are hardly liberal. I'm not talking about established parties that claim to be liberal, I'm talking about the ideology itself in the people's minds.
And, There probably is more examples, but my brain is pretty fried right now, sorry.

Thier are 4 factions generally in america

Populist “right” and “left vs establishment “dems” and “reps”

[Texian Assault Brigades]

Racism is and will be a problem for a very long, long time.

If any of those situations might happen, then I think that "the South will rise again."

And probably some states that really want to break away,

Cascadia gaming.

Thanks for telling us all about your nonsensical harem fantasy!

As if the Neo confederates are going to ever doing anything, but hey, keep thinking they’re gonna take over the world somehow!

[Sordhau]

I, too, can imagine people in my head.

“No we- I mean they’re not real!! You’re just imaging people in you head!!1! They’re not like that at all!!”

Do you have anything constructive to add?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

I will answer this, but first, what policy did Trump implement that was so great that it overshadows the Reaganomics?

I never said it overshadowed anything

I liked his stance on things like the border and bringing business home and putting tarrifs on nations like china

I voted for Biden. He does not have my support, but was a way to get away from Trump's antics. He also did do half-measures like partial student loan debt relief.

As for the border, they are nearly identical in their policies: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/09/1 ... er-policy/

[Helakos]

You basically have

Jimmy dore/bernie sanders style populists
Trump style populists
Establishment democrats
Establishment republicans

[Dimetrodon Empire]

The democrats as a party are hardly liberal. I'm not talking about established parties that claim to be liberal, I'm talking about the ideology itself in the people's minds.
And, There probably is more examples, but my brain is pretty fried right now, sorry.

They're neoliberal. Both parties are.

[Helakos]

I never said it overshadowed anything

I liked his stance on things like the border and bringing business home and putting tarrifs on nations like china

I voted for Biden. He does not have my support, but was a way to get away from Trump's antics. He also did do half-measures like partial student loan debt relief.

As for the border, they are nearly identical in their policies: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/09/1 ... er-policy/

So you also think that if black people didn’t vote for Biden they would no longer be considered black?