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What would civil war in the U.S. look like?

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What would a present day U.S. civil war look like?

Low intensity conflict (like the troubles or Years of Lead)
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:07 pm

Big Bad Blue wrote:Vote blue.


Or how about do something more useful like arming up since voting blue isn't going to avert the coming violence?
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:31 am

Sordhau wrote:
Big Bad Blue wrote:Vote blue.


Or how about do something more useful like arming up since voting blue isn't going to avert the coming violence?

Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.

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Postby Crysuko » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:29 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Or how about do something more useful like arming up since voting blue isn't going to avert the coming violence?

Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.

thinking that playing into the 2 party deadlock will solve the current problem is hopelessly naive
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Postby Iskanistan » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:33 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Or how about do something more useful like arming up since voting blue isn't going to avert the coming violence?

Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.


Red Tribe believes that Blue Tribe is against Democracy. It takes at least two for a civil war.

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Postby Crysuko » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:37 am

Iskanistan wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.


Red Tribe believes that Blue Tribe is against Democracy. It takes at least two for a civil war.

blue tribe thinks red tribe is against democracy
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Postby Mardatan » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:38 am

I imagine if things get way too heated it'd look like Yugoslavia and Mexico combined on steroids. Everyone hates each other over something.

That's an unrealistic response though. It probably would be just a smaller-scale Mexico that would actually be put down relatively quickly.
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 am

Crysuko wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.

thinking that playing into the 2 party deadlock will solve the current problem is hopelessly naive

Overthrowing the government is not exactly a bipartisan issue.

Iskanistan wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.


Red Tribe believes that Blue Tribe is against Democracy. It takes at least two for a civil war.

Giving enemies of democracy what they want isn’t going to save democracy. Refusing to compromise on that issue is justified.

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Postby Kernen » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Or how about do something more useful like arming up since voting blue isn't going to avert the coming violence?

Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.

Hard to be sanguine about voting for the guys trying to disarm us when we're ostensibly facing a shooting conflict.
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Postby Crysuko » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:40 am

Kernen wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.

Hard to be sanguine about voting for the guys trying to disarm us when we're ostensibly facing a shooting conflict.

Are you beginning to understand the problem now?
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

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Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:53 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Or how about do something more useful like arming up since voting blue isn't going to avert the coming violence?

Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.


Blue Team follows trends and is selective with whom to pander to. Guns are our only fighting chance against both inner-city criminals (whom Blue hearts bleed for) and far-right insurgencies (whom Red would immediately pardon).
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Postby Pikachu Peoples » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:55 am

Hunger Games style Battle Royale

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Postby Crysuko » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:14 am

Ayytaly wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Not voting blue means the US dies without a fighting chance. It’s better to have democracy struggled for than lost quietly.


Blue Team follows trends and is selective with whom to pander to. Guns are our only fighting chance against both inner-city criminals (whom Blue hearts bleed for) and far-right insurgencies (whom Red would immediately pardon).

Does pardon include tacit support for them
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Kernen » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:21 am

Crysuko wrote:
Kernen wrote:Hard to be sanguine about voting for the guys trying to disarm us when we're ostensibly facing a shooting conflict.

Are you beginning to understand the problem now?

Lmao as if I needed you to point it out. Some of us have been in this bind for decades now.

The solution is clear. Stockpile arms to make a killing when the balloon goes up.
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Postby Theodores Tomfooleries » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:09 pm

Okay truth be told I know for a fact that in case of a civil war, if somehow the United States military didn't get involved that Republicans would win. They're guaranteed to have at least one gun in their home. I know this from experience.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:20 pm

I imagine it might look like indistinguishable groups of fat bearded men, dressed head to toe in "tactical" gear, armed with AR-15's tricked out with more accessories than a mod's Lambretta, shooting at each other from pick up trucks.
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Postby Pan-Pacific Unity » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:26 pm

Given the realities of modern conflict, large scale political violence in the US is more likely to resemble Syria than the first civil war. Given the size of American territory, I would expect a large number of breakaway states to form, with conflict being localised between these new governments.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:27 pm

I mean as we keep being told by all the conservative groups angling for a new civil war the second they start it the entire US military will all mutiny and support them and their righteous cause.
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Postby Iskanistan » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:30 pm

Pan-Pacific Unity wrote:Given the realities of modern conflict, large scale political violence in the US is more likely to resemble Syria than the first civil war. Given the size of American territory, I would expect a large number of breakaway states to form, with conflict being localised between these new governments.


So like the DMZ comic? (not that HBO show)

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Postby Adamede » Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:41 pm

The Troubles in Ireland.

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Postby The New Rio Grande » Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:53 pm

IMO A second american civil war would be similar to that of the Years of Lead in Italy with these Buffoons in the Democrat and Republican Parties and their supporters.
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Postby Rakhalia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:59 pm

I mean, it should be noted that the moment a "civil war" is admitted to by the US government, the US government - or whatever it's composed of by this point - will have already conceded defeat. The entirety of the US government's power and prosperity comes from incredibly complex financial and logistical interactions happening across the country at every point. The continuation of these interactions is not particularly helped when things start going "boom". Any hypothetical US civil war would, rather than forge a national identity as the last one did, it'd probably tear apart the concept of the American national identity as a conflict is waged across such vast territory with the Federal Government in a moribund state. The violence could spread towards Canada and almost certainly Mexico as well.

quite clearly it'd be a very, very interesting scenario.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:48 pm

It will start over something Stupid. A cop could kill someone, An IRS or ATF raid could go bad. Someone could snap over Inflation/ CRT/ LGBTQ/ Trump/ Biden/ Midterms/ SCOTUS/ Etc and the whole flammable items dump goes up. Cities become hell on earth, Republicans and Militias start arming up, The Federal Government would Collapse and become various warlords. Celebrities and politicians would flee the country. Western Economy would Collapse. Russia/China/Iran/North Korea would shoot their shot whall America is busy fighting itself.
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Postby Pangurstan » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:14 pm

A State vs. State civil war would never happen. For example, if the government of Texas tries to secede from the US, do you think that the city of Austin will go along with them? Any civil war in the US would be more along the lines of rampant terrorism.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:22 pm

IDK, but New Orleans would win.

Sordhau wrote:
Big Bad Blue wrote:Vote blue.


Or how about do something more useful like arming up since voting blue isn't going to avert the coming violence?


If Nancy Pelosi just gets $20 more in donations, we will stave off any oncoming war.
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Postby Terminus Station » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:24 pm

lol I cant help but laugh at the mental image of all those MAGA Gravy Seal LARPers trying to fight real soldiers. Im guessing a real civil war would start and end with internet forum flamewars. Thats all these insurrectionist types in the US know how to do.
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