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What would a present day U.S. civil war look like?

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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:13 am

Sordhau wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
REDMAP is not a conspiracy theory, which is what I was referring to with gerrymandering. It is an actual GOP policy: every time the census happens, starting in 2010 when REDMAP began, they are to gerrymander as much as possible to decrease the amount of Democrats in Congress as much as possible.

If you wish to believe in a fairytale where everything is alright and MAGA isn't a dangerous cult-think ideology that is going to give this country over to Neo-Nazis and fascists long term, that is your right. But don't try to dismiss all evidence that you can literally find with five seconds of research just because you wish to believe in that fairy tale.

I'm done arguing with you; clearly, you are not willing to listen and are just going to dismiss anything I say as a conspiracy theory instead of trying to refute the argument or bring up counterevidence to support your claim.


Why were you expecting honest debate from a Fascist in the first place?


A neoliberal calling someone fascist, now ive seen it all
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Postby Sordhau » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:14 am

Helakos wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Why were you expecting honest debate from a Fascist in the first place?


A neoliberal calling someone fascist, now ive seen it all


"Neoliberal"? :eyebrow:
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:15 am

Sordhau wrote:
Helakos wrote:
A neoliberal calling someone fascist, now ive seen it all


"Neoliberal"? :eyebrow:


“Fascist”? :eyebrow:
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Postby Sordhau » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:20 am

Helakos wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
"Neoliberal"? :eyebrow:


“Fascist”? :eyebrow:


You already made it quite clear where you stand. Even if you're not a Fascist (lol) you side with them and that's just as bad. Stop playing dumb.
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:24 am

Sordhau wrote:
Helakos wrote:
“Fascist”? :eyebrow:


You already made it quite clear where you stand. Even if you're not a Fascist (lol) you side with them and that's just as bad. Stop playing dumb.


“I cant prove anything and even if what im saying is bullshit then i still think you side with my imaginary enemies”
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Postby Worldly Philosophers » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:26 am

Helakos wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
You already made it quite clear where you stand. Even if you're not a Fascist (lol) you side with them and that's just as bad. Stop playing dumb.


“I cant prove anything and even if what im saying is bullshit then i still think you side with my imaginary enemies”


Good job summarizing your contributions here, fascist

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Postby Sordhau » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:27 am

Helakos wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
You already made it quite clear where you stand. Even if you're not a Fascist (lol) you side with them and that's just as bad. Stop playing dumb.


“I cant prove anything and even if what im saying is bullshit then i still think you side with my imaginary enemies”


You openly admitted to attending MAGA marches lmao. If you're going to sincerely try and argue the MAGA crowd aren't at the very least cryptofascist then you're either completely delusional or trying to obfuscate.
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:33 am

Sordhau wrote:
Helakos wrote:
“I cant prove anything and even if what im saying is bullshit then i still think you side with my imaginary enemies”


You openly admitted to attending MAGA marches lmao. If you're going to sincerely try and argue the MAGA crowd aren't at the very least cryptofascist then you're either completely delusional or trying to obfuscate.


Or your attempting to put me in a box because of your radicalism? Yeah probably that
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Postby Sordhau » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:39 am

Helakos wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
You openly admitted to attending MAGA marches lmao. If you're going to sincerely try and argue the MAGA crowd aren't at the very least cryptofascist then you're either completely delusional or trying to obfuscate.


Or your attempting to put me in a box because of your radicalism? Yeah probably that


Pot meet kettle.
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:46 am

Sordhau wrote:
Helakos wrote:
“I cant prove anything and even if what im saying is bullshit then i still think you side with my imaginary enemies”


You openly admitted to attending MAGA marches lmao. If you're going to sincerely try and argue the MAGA crowd aren't at the very least cryptofascist then you're either completely delusional or trying to obfuscate.



“Openly” going to a maga march isnt a crime, maybe you want it to be, but fortunately for the rest of us freedom loving individuals its legal.
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Postby Sordhau » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:54 am

Helakos wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
You openly admitted to attending MAGA marches lmao. If you're going to sincerely try and argue the MAGA crowd aren't at the very least cryptofascist then you're either completely delusional or trying to obfuscate.



“Openly” going to a maga march isnt a crime, maybe you want it to be, but fortunately for the rest of us freedom loving individuals its legal.


Your meek attempt at a deflection with an irrelevant appeal to legalism is noted.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:55 am

Can we get back on topic and stop the bickering, please?

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Helakos
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:55 am

Sordhau wrote:
Helakos wrote:

“Openly” going to a maga march isnt a crime, maybe you want it to be, but fortunately for the rest of us freedom loving individuals its legal.


Your meek attempt at a deflection with an irrelevant appeal to legalism is noted.


Deflect what? A baseless claim? Not really deflection needed

Also, are you really pro eco terrorism? Is that going to be your side in the “civil war”?
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Government: Greek Neo-Pagan Neo-Fascist Empire
Capitol: Kratonos
Exports: Grapes/Wine, Olives, Fish, Luxory Goods, Shipping, Oil, Electronics

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Postby Texian Assault Brigades » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:01 am

A second American civil war would be the Far left internet Social justice warriors going up against the joke that is the Alt-right and would probably end whenever Biden remembers that there was fighting to begin with.
If he forgets, probably the Alt-right would win as I don’t see the Far left getting anywhere in any sort of fight.
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:01 am

Texian Assault Brigades wrote:A second American civil war would be the Far left internet Social justice warriors going up against the joke that is the Alt-right and would probably end whenever Biden remembers that there was fighting to begin with.


This ^
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:07 am

Texian Assault Brigades wrote:A second American civil war would be the Far left internet Social justice warriors going up against the joke that is the Alt-right and would probably end whenever Biden remembers that there was fighting to begin with.
If he forgets, probably the Alt-right would win as I don’t see the Far left getting anywhere in any sort of fight.


Leftists don't broadcast any training they're doing for fighting.

Which naturally is a better deal than whatever that dance routine was that 3%'ers or whoever the fuck put out about a month ago via Fed proxy.

Either way, underestimating Communists has historically always ended very well, as the Romanovs and Chiang Kai Shek and every US and French president involved in fighting in/invading Vietnam can attest to.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:10 am

I wanna reiterate how lame an american civil war would be. I mean, we can't seem to do anything well anymore.
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:11 am

Torrocca wrote:
Texian Assault Brigades wrote:A second American civil war would be the Far left internet Social justice warriors going up against the joke that is the Alt-right and would probably end whenever Biden remembers that there was fighting to begin with.
If he forgets, probably the Alt-right would win as I don’t see the Far left getting anywhere in any sort of fight.


Leftists don't broadcast any training they're doing for fighting.

Which naturally is a better deal than whatever that dance routine was that 3%'ers or whoever the fuck put out about a month ago via Fed proxy.

Either way, underestimating Communists has historically always ended very well, as the Romanovs and Chiang Kai Shek and every US and French president involved in fighting in/invading Vietnam can attest to.


Underestimating anyone is never a good idea, it goes both ways, the communists have fallen into that trap as well
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Postby Texian Assault Brigades » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:17 am

Torrocca wrote:
Texian Assault Brigades wrote:A second American civil war would be the Far left internet Social justice warriors going up against the joke that is the Alt-right and would probably end whenever Biden remembers that there was fighting to begin with.
If he forgets, probably the Alt-right would win as I don’t see the Far left getting anywhere in any sort of fight.


Leftists don't broadcast any training they're doing for fighting.

Which naturally is a better deal than whatever that dance routine was that 3%'ers or whoever the fuck put out about a month ago via Fed proxy.

Either way, underestimating Communists has historically always ended very well, as the Romanovs and Chiang Kai Shek and every US and French president involved in fighting in/invading Vietnam can attest to.

Are you seriously comparing American leftists to the Vietcong and bolsheviks? Don’t make me laugh.
American leftists are the most anti gun people I’ve ever seen, why on earth would they be prepared for a fight much less would be training for one?
Though, the comparison to Mao’s army is accurate. The leftists here in america would hide out in the mountains and let the Alt-right buffoons do the fighting with Biden (whenever he remembers) before getting themselves all killed.
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:18 am

Texian Assault Brigades wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Leftists don't broadcast any training they're doing for fighting.

Which naturally is a better deal than whatever that dance routine was that 3%'ers or whoever the fuck put out about a month ago via Fed proxy.

Either way, underestimating Communists has historically always ended very well, as the Romanovs and Chiang Kai Shek and every US and French president involved in fighting in/invading Vietnam can attest to.

Are you seriously comparing American leftists to the Vietcong and bolsheviks? Don’t make me laugh.
American leftists are the most anti gun people I’ve ever seen, why on earth would they be prepared for a fight much less would be training for one?
Though, the comparison to Mao’s army is accurate. The leftists here in america would hide out in the mountains and let the Alt-right buffoons do the fighting with Biden (whenever he remembers) before getting themselves all killed.


That as well american leftists have almost nothing in common with maos army or the vietcong
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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:27 am

Uncomfortable truth

When the shooting starts and the standard of living plummets Trans people will be some of the first to suffer at the hands of pretty much all sides. Also, good luck finding hormones. The left will abandon their own minoritys in short order.

Thats why its always the most ruthless narcissists that win any communist or leftist bloodbath, not the intellectuals or baristas
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:28 am

Texian Assault Brigades wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Leftists don't broadcast any training they're doing for fighting.

Which naturally is a better deal than whatever that dance routine was that 3%'ers or whoever the fuck put out about a month ago via Fed proxy.

Either way, underestimating Communists has historically always ended very well, as the Romanovs and Chiang Kai Shek and every US and French president involved in fighting in/invading Vietnam can attest to.

Are you seriously comparing American leftists to the Vietcong and bolsheviks? Don’t make me laugh.
American leftists are the most anti gun people I’ve ever seen, why on earth would they be prepared for a fight much less would be training for one?
Though, the comparison to Mao’s army is accurate. The leftists here in america would hide out in the mountains and let the Alt-right buffoons do the fighting with Biden (whenever he remembers) before getting themselves all killed.


Liberals aren't le-

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Postby Helakos » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:29 am

Torrocca wrote:
Texian Assault Brigades wrote:Are you seriously comparing American leftists to the Vietcong and bolsheviks? Don’t make me laugh.
American leftists are the most anti gun people I’ve ever seen, why on earth would they be prepared for a fight much less would be training for one?
Though, the comparison to Mao’s army is accurate. The leftists here in america would hide out in the mountains and let the Alt-right buffoons do the fighting with Biden (whenever he remembers) before getting themselves all killed.


Liberals aren't le-

Actually, y'know what? It's a point in our favor if you don't learn the difference. Ciao.


Most people who call themselves “leftist” are neoliberals in practice
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:32 am

Helakos wrote:Uncomfortable truth

When the shooting starts and the standard of living plummets Trans people will be some of the first to suffer at the hands of pretty much all sides. Also, good luck finding hormones. The left will abandon their own minoritys in short order.

Thats why its always the most ruthless narcissists that win any communist or leftist bloodbath, not the intellectuals or baristas


You have no idea what you're talking about, and I doubt that even an ounce of what you said was out of concern for trans people.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:32 am

Helakos wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Liberals aren't le-

Actually, y'know what? It's a point in our favor if you don't learn the difference. Ciao.


Most people who call themselves “leftist” are neoliberals in practice

No, No, that's just not how that works.
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