Elizabeth II / Charles III megathread

[Ifreann]

I have some optimism that the monarchy in Britain will be abolished, at least around the time that William V comes around. Charles is probably not long for this world and William is not what I would define as "popular". Of course that can change and I am not a physic capable of predicting the future... but the popularity of the British monarchy largely persisted because of Elizabeth. She was an old lady yeah but she was an old lady that had been sitting on the throne most likely when some people's grandparents and parents were born. Charles III doesn't really have anything to his name.

The British monarchy isn’t being abolished.

Give it time.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Always great to have this outburst of people who wants the likes of Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel & co as president...

[Salus Maior]

Always great to have this outburst of people who wants the likes of Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel & co as president...

Right?

The funny thing about these republicans is that they whine so much about the royal family being wealthy when everyone else is struggling, but the whole reason it's hard for people to pay the bills these days is because of people they elected. Policies they enabled by voting in loons. The royal family has nothing to do with it. Elizabeth and Charles didn't lobby for Brexit, the people chose their own present burdens.

[Tinhampton]

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Is an independent Scotland even viable? What would it's economy look like going independent? Would it be able to defend it's territory and play diplomacy on world stage?

His Majesty the King would be the head of state of Scotland if it became an independent country.

A modest solution to the problems of two great nations.

Charles III abdicates. In favor of the defeated former US president...

Taft has been dead for going on a century now. Although I am reminded by someone offsite that Jamaica's constitution still refers to Elizabeth II as its head of state.

Tbh it's a little unfair to judge Charles over the names of 2 other monarchs dating from somewhere in the Stuart era and before, but then, the last bit is a little true, it is up to him to clear his name.

I think his reign will be marked by him trying to push environmentalism and leading the Commonwealth into a cleaner future, which probably would strike great favour with the younger generation.

Considering how poorly green energy performed in the UK...

Not even the most vehement neoliberal would measure the contributions of renewable energy to the United Kingdom (or any other country) only by looking at how many jobs it created. See also.

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Forgive me if this message posts multiple times. I went to sleep in front of the desktop at 4:30am today and - when I woke up a couple of hours ago - it restarted and has mysteriously become much, much slower.

[The Archregimancy]

Plus the UK is right now blocking Bermuda from legalising marijuana by ordering the Governor General to refuse assent.

This is inaccurate.

Bermuda is not an independent country, and therefore does not have a Governor General.

Bermuda is an overseas territory of the United Kingdom, and while the islands are self-governing, the Parliament of the United Kingdom is sovereign. As such, the Governor of Bermuda is appointed by the monarch on the advice of the British Parliament.

So yes, the British government has recently blocked Bermuda from legalising cannabis - though legal experts state that there's grounds for compromise - but it's perfectly entitled to do so constitutionally. This isn't remotely the same as, say, the Governor General of a Commonwealth Realm refusing royal assent.

Bermuda could, of course, declare independence if it was dissatisfied with the current constitutional arrangements.

[Prima Scriptura]

Always great to have this outburst of people who wants the likes of Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel & co as president...

Patel has a fetish for making poor and disabled people suffer

[Kalivyah]

I have some optimism that the monarchy in Britain will be abolished, at least around the time that William V comes around. Charles is probably not long for this world and William is not what I would define as "popular". Of course that can change and I am not a physic capable of predicting the future... but the popularity of the British monarchy largely persisted because of Elizabeth. She was an old lady yeah but she was an old lady that had been sitting on the throne most likely when some people's grandparents and parents were born. Charles III doesn't really have anything to his name.

The British monarchy isn’t being abolished.

I never said right now lol.

[Prima Scriptura]

The British monarchy isn’t being abolished.

Give it time.

That isn’t your decision. Supporting a United Ireland is one thing but demanding that British citizens abolish a monarchy they largely support is another thing

[Salus Maior]

The British monarchy isn’t being abolished.

I never said right now lol.

Even if the British people tossed the monarchy, their fortunes wouldn't change.

The royals aren't imposing Tory governments and Brexit consequences on them.

[Continental Free States]

Always great to have this outburst of people who wants the likes of Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel & co as president...

Right?

The funny thing about these republicans is that they whine so much about the royal family being wealthy when everyone else is struggling, but the whole reason it's hard for people to pay the bills these days is because of people they elected. Policies they enabled by voting in loons. The royal family has nothing to do with it. Elizabeth and Charles didn't lobby for Brexit, the people chose their own present burdens.

It's incredibly funny that half of what I've seen be blamed on Queen Elizabeth (hilariously enough, most of them events that happened before she was crowned or in many cases even born) were done by elected governments of the United Kingdom.

[Prima Scriptura]

I never said right now lol.

Even if the British people tossed the monarchy, their fortunes wouldn't change.

The royals aren't imposing Tory governments and Brexit consequences on them.

Exactly. HM Elizabeth II respected her role and limits of her power as head of state. She even put stop to a coup attempt by Lord Mountbatten! Now, that was based!

[Michel Meilleur]

Always great to have this outburst of people who wants the likes of Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel & co as president...

Right?

The funny thing about these republicans is that they whine so much about the royal family being wealthy when everyone else is struggling, but the whole reason it's hard for people to pay the bills these days is because of people they elected. Policies they enabled by voting in loons. The royal family has nothing to do with it. Elizabeth and Charles didn't lobby for Brexit, the people chose their own present burdens.

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/r ... han-harry/

120 millions taken from the taxes to ensure that peoples who gave themselves the trouble of being born and nothing more is a pill hard to swallow. That the royal family is there but does nothing apart from taking and taking and taking is a good argument toward just doing away with them; specially when the very existence of them is a reminder that your country doesn't consider that everyone is born equal and has enshrined your inferiority as a human into the law itself.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Right?

The funny thing about these republicans is that they whine so much about the royal family being wealthy when everyone else is struggling, but the whole reason it's hard for people to pay the bills these days is because of people they elected. Policies they enabled by voting in loons. The royal family has nothing to do with it. Elizabeth and Charles didn't lobby for Brexit, the people chose their own present burdens.

It's incredibly funny that half of what I've seen be blamed on Queen Elizabeth (hilariously enough, most of them events that happened before she was crowned or in many cases even born) were done by elected governments of the United Kingdom.

I will say that American history likes to throw George III under the bus, though Parliament passed the offending taxes. (Not up to date on the mechanics of colonial rule, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

[Michel Meilleur]

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Well, this origin is probably deliberately ignored in Britain but a rather famous theory for its origin is that it's an adaptation of "Grand Dieu sauve le Roi", a song that was composed to celebrate the successful surgery of Louis XIV's anal fistula, and later was performed in other royal courts in Europe.

So next time you sing God save the King, you can think that it might have been inspired by some foreign King's removal of his ass wart. :^)

[Salus Maior]

Right?

The funny thing about these republicans is that they whine so much about the royal family being wealthy when everyone else is struggling, but the whole reason it's hard for people to pay the bills these days is because of people they elected. Policies they enabled by voting in loons. The royal family has nothing to do with it. Elizabeth and Charles didn't lobby for Brexit, the people chose their own present burdens.

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/r ... han-harry/

120 millions taken from the taxes to ensure that peoples who gave themselves the trouble of being born and nothing more is a pill hard to swallow. That the royal family is there but does nothing apart from taking and taking and taking is a good argument toward just doing away with them; specially when the very existence of them is a reminder that your country doesn't consider that everyone is born equal and has enshrined your inferiority as a human into the law itself.

Yeah, that's not true. The Royals give plenty back, and put themselves in service to the country through the military and similar things. So no, they're not just sitting and collecting money.

But then again you didn't even know Britain had a constitution so why am I surprised you don't know anything about the royal family either.

[Shrillland]

It's incredibly funny that half of what I've seen be blamed on Queen Elizabeth (hilariously enough, most of them events that happened before she was crowned or in many cases even born) were done by elected governments of the United Kingdom.

I will say that American history likes to throw George III under the bus, though Parliament passed the offending taxes. (Not up to date on the mechanics of colonial rule, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

No you're more or less right. Although George III did have some political sway(the final constitutional restrictions didn't come into place until Prince Albert's death a century later), it was still Parliament and Lord North as PM that passed all these taxes. As far as Britain saw it, it wasn't without representation because colonial governors acted both as heads of their governments and representatives to the Colonial Secretary, who oversaw everything for the government and could, if he saw fit, request that Parliamentary acts be scrapped if they were unpopular enough. The Townshend and Tea Acts weren't scrapped because gaining Quebec and much of the Caribbean was a venture that had nearly bankrupt Britain, and it was only seen as fair that the American colonies, who benefitted the most from all this new land and resources, should pay their fair share in taxes for it.

[Salus Maior]

It's incredibly funny that half of what I've seen be blamed on Queen Elizabeth (hilariously enough, most of them events that happened before she was crowned or in many cases even born) were done by elected governments of the United Kingdom.

I will say that American history likes to throw George III under the bus, though Parliament passed the offending taxes. (Not up to date on the mechanics of colonial rule, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

Parliament was wholly responsible for the crisis with the colonies. Even George III thought they were overstepping in some instances.

[Socialistic Britain]

Any interesting discussion going on?
And once again, May the queen rest in peace

[Cloversaries]

There IS an official author of God Save the King!

The song was originally French, and was composed by Louis XIV´s mistress, when he was feeling under the weather.

"Dieu, sauve notre roi"

Fitting anthem, for Charles III...

[Michel Meilleur]

Yeah, that's not true. The Royals give plenty back, and put themselves in service to the country through the military and similar things. So no, they're not just sitting and collecting money.

But then again you didn't even know Britain had a constitution so why am I surprised you don't know anything about the royal family either.

They give plenty [unspecified] back! And they "put themselves in service to the country through the military and similar things", by which you mean they used to lead armies a couple centuries ago and now just do photo-opps once in a while to the great detriment of every other soldier among them.

Interesting how you haven't tried to defend the whole "born better than everyone else because... reasons" bit. Probably because that's something we've been trying to crackdown on ever since the '40s but somehow they're given a special exception because... Again, "reasons".

Again, a constitution being unwritten is something abhorrent to the very idea of it but, like always with monarchy, we go back to special pleading and customs.

[Salus Maior]

Yeah, that's not true. The Royals give plenty back, and put themselves in service to the country through the military and similar things. So no, they're not just sitting and collecting money.

But then again you didn't even know Britain had a constitution so why am I surprised you don't know anything about the royal family either.

They give plenty [unspecified] back! And they "put themselves in service to the country through the military and similar things", by which you mean they used to lead armies a couple centuries ago and now just do photo-opps once in a while to the great detriment of every other soldier among them.

Interesting how you haven't tried to defend the whole "born better than everyone else because... reasons" bit. Probably because that's something we've been trying to crackdown on ever since the '40s but somehow they're given a special exception because... Again, "reasons".

Again, a constitution being unwritten is something abhorrent to the very idea of it but, like always with monarchy, we go back to special pleading and customs.

Again, that's not true.

I haven't bothered because it's a fucking meme that's not worth wasting time on addressing.

Or, maybe, American conceptions of government aren't the only ones that exist and have any historical and political weight. For that matter, American conceptions of constitutional government aren't even the first form of constitutional government in the first place considering British constitutionalism predates it by centuries.

[Thermodolia]

At least she died peacefully. Thanks to the 24 hour news cycle. Unlike her grandpa, King George V, of whom the doctor injected him with lethal poison so that his death made it to the morning news instead of the less read evening news.

The papers thing sounds bizarre, but that kind of stuff was actually considered "important" back then, at least to the 'upper class'. Worth remembering that George only took the Throne because his brother was forced to abdicate over the "scandal" of wanting to marry a divorcee, while his twice married adulterous grandson just became King with his former mistress (also with a previous marriage) as Queen.

Wrong George. This is George VI’s dad.

[Allinburg]

Elizabeth, after clearing a short altercation with a dissatisfied Saint Peter, enters Heaven — only to be greeted by a Louis XIV wearing, as prepared for this sole occasion, his widest smirk of all time.

«Tu m'as raté d'à peine 625 jours.»

[Thermodolia]

What will be your prediction for our hat Canada?
(I am an American thus the use of the word hat)

For me, I think Canada is the least likely Commonwealth Realm to remove the Monarchy.

Ya Canada will still have the monarchy even if the UK was the only other one.

The most likely ones to ditch it are Australia and Jamaica and I think both will happen by 2025

[The New California Republic]

I liked the first speech by King Charles III that broadcast a few hours ago.