What does California's future look like?

[Monsone]

That doesn’t likely mean your chances getting a big quake in California are gonna disappear there gonna decrease los angles is gonna be under water very soon so pack up leave you see signs earth quakes activity increase and cracks of the earths crust seen in something like 2012 or Los angles movie.

LA will likely be (temporarily) underwater, just not because of an earthquake.

[Perikuresu]

California will be the setting of a Mexican and East Asian hybrid empire that will be socially conservative but infrastructurally progressive. Its people will be a mixture of Mexican and Japanese, thus bearing the blood of Aztec warriors and the samurai. Azuturanku (Japanese pronounciation for "Aztlan land") will then gain independence from the now-weakened United States due to the latter's self-inflicted damage of not shifting away from its dinosaurian Anglo-American mindset and soft millennial liberalism. As the product of the Asian and Latin America diaspora Azuturanku becomes the global beacon of internationalism and harmony by not allowing Euro Westernism control it, (white) guilt it or gaslight it.

Never have I ever seen a post as based as this one

[Ayytaly]

California will be the setting of a Mexican and East Asian hybrid empire that will be socially conservative but infrastructurally progressive. Its people will be a mixture of Mexican and Japanese, thus bearing the blood of Aztec warriors and the samurai. Azuturanku (Japanese pronounciation for "Aztlan land") will then gain independence from the now-weakened United States due to the latter's self-inflicted damage of not shifting away from its dinosaurian Anglo-American mindset and soft millennial liberalism. As the product of the Asian and Latin America diaspora Azuturanku becomes the global beacon of internationalism and harmony by not allowing Euro Westernism control it, (white) guilt it or gaslight it.

That sounds dope as hell man.

¡Patria, libertad y sushi!

California will be the setting of a Mexican and East Asian hybrid empire that will be socially conservative but infrastructurally progressive. Its people will be a mixture of Mexican and Japanese, thus bearing the blood of Aztec warriors and the samurai. Azuturanku (Japanese pronounciation for "Aztlan land") will then gain independence from the now-weakened United States due to the latter's self-inflicted damage of not shifting away from its dinosaurian Anglo-American mindset and soft millennial liberalism. As the product of the Asian and Latin America diaspora Azuturanku becomes the global beacon of internationalism and harmony by not allowing Euro Westernism control it, (white) guilt it or gaslight it.

Never have I ever seen a post as based as this one

It's actually a dream of mine. Reject gringoism, embrace tradition.

[Stellar Colonies]

Independent one day from the US it shall be. A great nation amongst the others who will form in former states of the fallen United States. Golden future.

No thanks.

An independent California would be a terrible idea.

[Raskana]

''John Spartan you are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality code!''

[Ayytaly]

Independent one day from the US it shall be. A great nation amongst the others who will form in former states of the fallen United States. Golden future.

No thanks.

An independent California would be a terrible idea.

In its current state yes. If reformed it could very well dominate transpacific/Asian-American trade due to its large coastline. Also because it neighbors with Mexico (the gateway to Latin America) it could be on top of Panamerican trade and political appeasements as well.

[Stellar Colonies]

No thanks.

An independent California would be a terrible idea.

In its current state yes. If reformed it could very well dominate transpacific/Asian-American trade due to its large coastline. Also because it neighbors with Mexico (the gateway to Latin America) it could be on top of Panamerican trade and political appeasements as well.

At best, we would ultimately end up as a client state of the US, which is the same as now but with the detriment of having less say in their politics. We’d almost certainly have a lot of foreign connections as we already do currently, but the most important would always be the US due to history and geography.

At worst, we’d be a battleground between a revanchist-minded US and a surging power taking advantage of it being weakened by taking us as their client state.

People generally advocate for Californian independence based on helping California (they’re being oppressed by Washington!), hurting us (damn Commiefornia!), or hurting the US, but all it’d realistically accomplish is reducing both California and the US in the process.

[Ifreann]

Everyone knows that in the future, California will be home to Star Fleet Headquarters.

[Narland]

Somewhere between this:

A post-civilization wasteland

and this:

A post-scarcity utopia,

But in my imagination Future California is an amalgam of The Running Man, Demolition Man, Escape from L.A., and the NCR of the Black Isle / Obsidian version Fallout Games.

Realistically though, it is going to get a whole lot worse for California before it gets better.

[Major-Tom]

As doomed as the rest of the West. Can California (and now by extension, much of the West) probably find ways to fix it's affordability crisis's, rampant homelessness, and staggering inequality? Not in the immediate future, but it's within a distant realm of possibility. But averting the environmental catastrophes (IE worsening drought, massive wildfires, and a total lack of water) that lay ahead? Near impossible.

Hey...here's a fun fact. The cost of housing is going up everywhere. We were already expensive because...well, how many songs are there about going tot Ohio?

So since we were already expensive as housing costs rise across the country ours will still be on the top. Shockingly, we didn't just sit around and wait for you to catch up. So whatever it is you think we're doing to raise the price of housing (letting investment funds by single family homes etc) the rest of you appear to be doing it too. So, how about for a change you throw in on the solution instead of waiting for us to figure shit out for you while you complain about us.

Oh yeah, same with wealth inequality.

So instead of clucking your tongue maybe grab a fucking shovel and get to work.

The water thing is a bit of a joint effort. The climate is changing (we're all in that one together) but we've also mismanaged a great deal. Just me, but as long as we continue to think of this as a drought and not 'the weather now' we're not gonna solve it. We can't develop something that just gets us between rainy seasons because they're not coming back.

Look man, I'm not trying to rip into California.

I know these problems are nationwide, many of which are exacerbated by economic policies that deepen the wealth divide while simultaneously driving up costs across the board. But we can't deny that many of the regions where this problem seems to be at its worst (IE, the Bay, San Fran), are in Cali. Is it your fault? Not necessarily, I think some of it is on policies enacted by previous Governors though a lot of it is circumstantial and nationwide.

Either way, don't rip me for pointing out the obvious that "California, and much of the West," has been hit by these problems longer than most states, and thus seems to have it the worst. That doesn't mean I'm one of those guys saying "ha ha, California liberals ruin their own state." I think it's known that I'm not that guy.

[Nipponkyo]

I have a friend from California who moved to Texas because it is more affordable. Now she says that the rest of her family in California is thinking of moving to Texas or Florida. They are an immigrant working-class family and it is just getting too expensive in California to keep living there. They also say that crime has gotten very bad in their part of California, so they no longer feel safe.

[Informed Consent]

Independent one day from the US it shall be. A great nation amongst the others who will form in former states of the fallen United States. Golden future.

No thanks.

An independent California would be a terrible idea.

It is not really doing the grade curve of the rest of the class any favors, and year after year after year of being at the top of the list for amount of money levied from its population while being near bottom for quality of services rendered with those funds is indicative of problems not readily remedied in an intellectually upside down enough environment to allow such a development.
So let us just cut them loose and get the most entertaining trailer for what North American Venezuela looks like.

[The Sherpa Empire]

There are many different reasons why California has become an increasingly less attractive place to live. These are:

1. California's high cost of living.
2. Comparatively heavy state income taxes.
3. California's rampant homeless problem.
4. The state's high crime rate.
5. Constant droughts and water shortages.
6. The constant threat of massive wildfires.
7. California's seemingly poor economic future as more businesses leave the state.
8. Political differences

Some of these issues can be improved by people leaving.

[Finalis]

I have an online friend who is from California. She said that it is a beautiful state with nice weather, but recently she and her family had to leave because it was getting more and more expensive to live there. It was getting harder for them to make ends meet and even afford some basic necessities. Now they live in Texas. She doesn't like the heat and humidity, but their quality of life is better. Even though her husband makes slightly less money in his new job, the cost of living is so much lower in Texas that they actually are able to save a lot more money than they could if they stayed in California.

I guess a lot of people in California are having this problem. It does not look good.

A lot of this has to do with peoples huge ass hard ons to dunk on California so they don't look any closer than their own ideology. And then are full of ideas about what we should do because they met a Californian once.

First of all, we are the most populous state in the union and while population density is not the primary cause of the current speed run in cost of living, it's a factor. It's a digital world. Stay home and become famous. We could use a little relief because the majority of the people are in three metropolitan areas.

We, like a lot of places, are experience the aftershock of the housing crisis in 2008. Investment firms and the like were able to snap up property sold at a fraction of its value to have that property rapidly increase in value.

Instead of just going "yeah, okay. That happens. It eventually bounces back to its value." the investors weren't like my brother who bought at the bottom of the market and was able to use the rebound to buy his business (a music store, he didn't become a captain of industry) they start swapping them with each other sustaining an artificial demand and increasing prices, eventually forcing people out of homes after surviving the last ordeal and increasing the number of houses and properties that aren't in the hands of the residents.

Add to that, new high income housing has taken priority over low income house for the money, displacing the poor and increasing their cost of living.

While nominally the residents would be empathetic to the plight of the less fortunate, they are less empathetic if they can see them.

This creates two problems. Homelessness ends up being treated like an aesthetic issue instead of a humanitarian crisis and the one big bear that will honestly eat California from the inside out, NIMBY. "We're all for solving the states problems, but not in my backyard.' They can support the idea of low income housing but oppose actual low income housing if it's near you. Most of the solvable problems in California would be infinently easier if finding a place for it wasn't so...dramatic.

What people always leave out when they cackle over California having a net loss when it comes to state migration.

The people who are leaving are the poor, people who make around $50,000 a year. The people who are moving in, however...rich people. People with incomes over $200,000.

Sort of shoots that whole theory that it's the taxes right in the dick.

The biggest problem we face had the tipping point come and go. We're still calling it a drought and not 'the new climate.' As long as we act like all we have to do is wait it out until a rainy winter or two saves us things will continue to get worse. And look, part of that might mean less people should live here. We stacked the most people the furthest away from the water. As far as crime goes it's not great, but it's something everyone is dealing with. We don't even make the list of the worst. It's not that crime isn't an issue, rather it's not solely a California problem.

I do delight a bit now that we're fully in this phase where the people who were gloating that California was losing residents are now suddenly fretting because they're still voting like they were Californians. Oops. We also continue to contribute more than we take so the red states can remain functioning and talk about how we're ruining America. (I'm not high and mighty about that whole donor state thing, every state is going to have a myriad of factors that exist before you even put people in it that contribute to these kinds of things and I definitely don't think states need to be 'grateful', just that when the states you're helping out stick their bony middle fingers up our ass every two weeks it's just kind of exhausting.


But here's the most important thing. We know about the problems. We fucking live here. For some we know what to do and the dumb roadblocks to do them, others we're working on it. What we don't need is the unsolicited advice from people in other states who know maybe two things about California and only one of them is true. We didn't ask. And, by and large, your unsolicited ideas are terrible. So maybe instead of snarking about California all the fucking time, how about eyes on your own paper? It's weird for you to be so obsessed with us. Maybe you don't know what it's like to live in state like ours, a state where no one thinks of you at all. Or you're the state that everyone forgets when trying to name all fifty states. It's alright. {I]You[/i] can think about your state. All you have to do is step the fuck off our jock.

yep, you know about the problems and do such a swell job of addressing them

anyway, it's future is... not great if you lose half a million people but nah, it'll be fine

[Finalis]

As doomed as the rest of the West. Can California (and now by extension, much of the West) probably find ways to fix it's affordability crisis's, rampant homelessness, and staggering inequality? Not in the immediate future, but it's within a distant realm of possibility. But averting the environmental catastrophes (IE worsening drought, massive wildfires, and a total lack of water) that lay ahead? Near impossible.

Hey...here's a fun fact. The cost of housing is going up everywhere. We were already expensive because...well, how many songs are there about going tot Ohio?

So since we were already expensive as housing costs rise across the country ours will still be on the top. Shockingly, we didn't just sit around and wait for you to catch up. So whatever it is you think we're doing to raise the price of housing (letting investment funds by single family homes etc) the rest of you appear to be doing it too. So, how about for a change you throw in on the solution instead of waiting for us to figure shit out for you while you complain about us.

Oh yeah, same with wealth inequality.

So instead of clucking your tongue maybe grab a fucking shovel and get to work.

The water thing is a bit of a joint effort. The climate is changing (we're all in that one together) but we've also mismanaged a great deal. Just me, but as long as we continue to think of this as a drought and not 'the weather now' we're not gonna solve it. We can't develop something that just gets us between rainy seasons because they're not coming back.

man californians really are the touchiest out of any state in america. even new yorkers don't complain this much when people from new jersey knock their state (at least nj had james gandalfini, we was awesome)

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1. California's high cost of living.
2. Comparatively heavy state income taxes.
3. California's rampant homeless problem.
4. The state's high crime rate.
5. Constant droughts and water shortages.
6. The constant threat of massive wildfires.
7. California's seemingly poor economic future as more businesses leave the state.
8. Political differences

Since I'm here I'm just going to solve all these:

1) Seize all undeveloped properties that landlords are sitting on waiting to appreciate in value, place a moratorium on the development of luxury housing and impose a mandate that half of all future housing developments must be affordable for the working class and impose immediate statewide rent control.

2) Cut taxes for everybody making less than six figures and make up the shortfall by imposing a 90% tax on all personal income and capital gains in excess of ten million dollars.

3) Give the homeless homes, see 1) for more detail.

4) Abolish all victimless crimes and expunge the sentences of everybody previously convicted of victimless crimes, meet everybody's basic survival needs to curtail property crime, build free rec centers, skateparks, libraries, arcades, swimming pools, etc. for all youth to keep them from doing illicit activity out of boredom, create safe consumption sites for drug users and fund free rehab, create programs in public schools that emphasize the importance of consent and preempt the influence of rape culture, and defund the police and redirect their budget to education and social services.

5) Subsidize and offer tax incentives for homeowners who replace their lawns with rocks and sand and subsidies and tax incentives for farmers who farm products with low-water consumption demands. That's only a start, this one admittedly is not so easy to solve because to some extent drought is an inevitable consequence of climate change and human development and long term this is a global problem that has to be addressed globally.

6) Again, this is mostly a global climate problem but you could make a small dent in the problem by recreating smoking areas with ashtrays so smokers aren't tossing cigarette butts into vegetation, and an even bigger dent by repealing all the stupid laws implemented to crush vaping so that smokers switch to vaping which is a thousand times less likely to start a fire.

7) Move away from the pyramid scheme of endless growth capitalism to a sustainable resource-based economy. This is a pretty grand ambition but you gotta start sometime.

8 ) Kill right-wing ideology in the crib by exposing kids to such things as punk-rock and hip-hop. Also the left needs to stop being a bunch of stick-in-the-mud whiners and start having fun again, you're not going to growth your youth wing if your faction isn't fun.

[Finalis]

california is just funny in general

august 24: california bans the sale of new gasoline-powered cars
august 30: california asks californians to avoid charging electric vehicles due to electricity shortages, probably because they keep shuttering their nuclear power plants because of the "green" energy movement without any viable alternative to replace them

[Finalis]

1. California's high cost of living.
2. Comparatively heavy state income taxes.
3. California's rampant homeless problem.
4. The state's high crime rate.
5. Constant droughts and water shortages.
6. The constant threat of massive wildfires.
7. California's seemingly poor economic future as more businesses leave the state.
8. Political differences

Since I'm here I'm just going to solve all these:

1) Seize all undeveloped properties that landlords are sitting on waiting to appreciate in value, place a moratorium on the development of luxury housing and impose a mandate that half of all future housing developments must be affordable for the working class and impose immediate statewide rent control.

2) Cut taxes for everybody making less than six figures and make up the shortfall by imposing a 90% tax on all personal income and capital gains in excess of ten million dollars.

3) Give the homeless homes, see 1) for more detail.

4) Abolish all victimless crimes and expunge the sentences of everybody previously convicted of victimless crimes, meet everybody's basic survival needs to curtail property crime, build free rec centers, skateparks, libraries, arcades, swimming pools, etc. for all youth to keep them from doing illicit activity out of boredom, create safe consumption sites for drug users and fund free rehab, create programs in public schools that emphasize the importance of consent and preempt the influence of rape culture, and defund the police and redirect their budget to education and social services.

5) Subsidize and offer tax incentives for homeowners who replace their lawns with rocks and sand and subsidies and tax incentives for farmers who farm products with low-water consumption demands. That's only a start, this one admittedly is not so easy to solve because to some extent drought is an inevitable consequence of climate change and human development and long term this is a global problem that has to be addressed globally.

6) Again, this is mostly a global climate problem but you could make a small dent in the problem by recreating smoking areas with ashtrays so smokers aren't tossing cigarette butts into vegetation, and an even bigger dent by repealing all the stupid laws implemented to crush vaping so that smokers switch to vaping which is a thousand times less likely to start a fire.

7) Move away from the pyramid scheme of endless growth capitalism to a sustainable resource-based economy. This is a pretty grand ambition but you gotta start sometime.

8 ) Kill right-wing ideology in the crib by exposing kids to such things as punk-rock and hip-hop. Also the left needs to stop being a bunch of stick-in-the-mud whiners and start having fun again, you're not going to growth your youth wing if your faction isn't fun.

i've been exposed to both hip hop and punk rock and have still become rabidly right wing

your plan is flawed

[Ayytaly]

Since I'm here I'm just going to solve all these:

1) Seize all undeveloped properties that landlords are sitting on waiting to appreciate in value, place a moratorium on the development of luxury housing and impose a mandate that half of all future housing developments must be affordable for the working class and impose immediate statewide rent control.

2) Cut taxes for everybody making less than six figures and make up the shortfall by imposing a 90% tax on all personal income and capital gains in excess of ten million dollars.

3) Give the homeless homes, see 1) for more detail.

4) Abolish all victimless crimes and expunge the sentences of everybody previously convicted of victimless crimes, meet everybody's basic survival needs to curtail property crime, build free rec centers, skateparks, libraries, arcades, swimming pools, etc. for all youth to keep them from doing illicit activity out of boredom, create safe consumption sites for drug users and fund free rehab, create programs in public schools that emphasize the importance of consent and preempt the influence of rape culture, and defund the police and redirect their budget to education and social services.

5) Subsidize and offer tax incentives for homeowners who replace their lawns with rocks and sand and subsidies and tax incentives for farmers who farm products with low-water consumption demands. That's only a start, this one admittedly is not so easy to solve because to some extent drought is an inevitable consequence of climate change and human development and long term this is a global problem that has to be addressed globally.

6) Again, this is mostly a global climate problem but you could make a small dent in the problem by recreating smoking areas with ashtrays so smokers aren't tossing cigarette butts into vegetation, and an even bigger dent by repealing all the stupid laws implemented to crush vaping so that smokers switch to vaping which is a thousand times less likely to start a fire.

7) Move away from the pyramid scheme of endless growth capitalism to a sustainable resource-based economy. This is a pretty grand ambition but you gotta start sometime.

8 ) Kill right-wing ideology in the crib by exposing kids to such things as punk-rock and hip-hop. Also the left needs to stop being a bunch of stick-in-the-mud whiners and start having fun again, you're not going to growth your youth wing if your faction isn't fun.

i've been exposed to both hip hop and punk rock and have still become rabidly right wing

your plan is flawed

Rap made me pro-cop.

[Ifreann]

i've been exposed to both hip hop and punk rock and have still become rabidly right wing

your plan is flawed

Rap made me pro-cop.

How embarrassing for you.

[Finalis]

i've been exposed to both hip hop and punk rock and have still become rabidly right wing

your plan is flawed

Rap made me pro-cop.

not just you.

lest we forget that ice-t, who famously made a song called cop killer, has now spent over 20 years playing a cop on law & order

[Leocardia]

There are many different reasons why California has become an increasingly less attractive place to live. These are:

1. California's high cost of living.
2. Comparatively heavy state income taxes.
3. California's rampant homeless problem.
4. The state's high crime rate.
5. Constant droughts and water shortages.
6. The constant threat of massive wildfires.
7. California's seemingly poor economic future as more businesses leave the state.
8. Political differences

None of these are reasons why California residents are leaving in the numbers today. It's 2022 and our population today is higher than what it was in the 1980s. People move across the country for a variety of reasons, whether it be new jobs or new families, or whatever.

For example, Tesla and Oracle moved their office buildings from California to Texas. The working force of Tesla and Oracle -- as a result -- needs to move to Texas as their office jobs are moving there too. Assuming this number is 10,000 people (i don't know what the actual number is), do you account 10,000 people moving out of California because of the above reasons you listed? No, you don't. They moved because their workplaces moved and if they want to keep their jobs, they shall move with it.

This also accounts for college students graduating. California houses the most universities that are internationally renowned and has high research activities. People who graduate from Stanford University, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Caltech, etc. have great jobs lined up for them and it's not always in California. They are open to opportunities to move elsewhere in the country, maybe the whole world. Some of these people who go to these universities have lived in the State their whole lives. Do you also account their emigration as a result to the above reasons you listed? No you don't, but the sources you listed don't consider those reasons. Instead, they mention the obvious things that have been recurring in California for decades.

The items you listed were always problems California had for decades. We were always the most expensive state in the country. #1 and #2 should be combined. #5 and #6 should be combined. #3 and #7 should be combined. You've artificially expanded the list to make it look like California's social problems are bigger than they should be.

I live in California and I'm a Republican (not that it matters, but I want to give you a perspective). I'm not rich, but I don't feel the "high cost of living" because I'm established here. I don't know where you live or are from, but if you're from outside of California and you come to visit, you will see that everything is expensive relative to your state because where you're from, the minimum wage could be $7/hour while it's $15/hour in California. Price-tag-wise, it looks expensive, but it doesn't actually feel expensive for us.

As for the crime rate, are you telling me that Detroit, Chicago, and NYC have lower crime rates than Oakland, Los Angeles, and Sacramento? Again, the reasons is not because of the "failing" state policies, but rather California has more people in the USA than anywhere else. With more population, it comes with more crime and other issues. I can say the same thing about Texas and how they're in constant droughts, power grid problems, and an affordability crisis. It comes with the more people, the more problems.

[-Astoria-]

Assuming they don't have a 180 government wise then it will be a failed state devoid of anyone who could afford to leave. California will be a dry, burned state with the only people living there the homeless, almost homeless, and ultra wealthy with no middle. California is a textbook example of how not to run a state government as well as a textbook example of why not to build urban sprawl in a desert.

That's Arizona, though.

[Nipponkyo]

Assuming they don't have a 180 government wise then it will be a failed state devoid of anyone who could afford to leave. California will be a dry, burned state with the only people living there the homeless, almost homeless, and ultra wealthy with no middle. California is a textbook example of how not to run a state government as well as a textbook example of why not to build urban sprawl in a desert.

That's Arizona, though.

I think much of California also desert. Especially the highly populated southern half.

[Ayytaly]

Rap made me pro-cop.

How embarrassing for you.

Your problem, not mine.