The Problem with Andrew Tate (and Incel Radicalization)

[Alcala-Cordel]

I had no idea who Andrew Tate was until I saw the Meatcanyon video.

I'm not surprised that incels are a big deal right now, and I think they need sympathy and probbaly some kind of mental help and maybe even in some cases a deradicalisation programme.

When I was an awkward introverted teenager the internet was a good escape, over time, at least for impressionable children, it's turned into a nasty social pressure cooker and I think it makes it easy for people to feel excluded or as if they are failures, and to then access radical content - radical religion, deranged pornography, etc etc.

Why is mental help only applicable to incels but not to those who treated them like shit?

Incels aren't victims.

[Techocracy101010]

As an incel, I can confirm we do NOT asociate with Tate. The redpill crowd is just almost as bad as the bluepill (or, lord forgive me for saying this name, IncelTear's). Do not make us guilty of everything bad that happens to women, if we did the same we would be seen as absolute lunatics by even our redpilled comrades.

I think we can start by not granting legitimacy to incels as you have been trying to do. "Being an incel" is nothing more than rebranded misogyny. Case closed. It's like an anti-Semite saying they're some "black-pilled Aryan supporter." It's not something that deserves to be recognized and respected.

Not really my dude there are some hard facts i learned as i aged . Having intellectual disabilities ex adhd , dyslexia and depression make you a less attractive partner . Being a goofy guy ain’t hot. Being poor is not hot . There are so many social things that i cannot even cover it , it’s just life though . You have biological winners and loosers , the meta changes and it sucks to suck .

[Techocracy101010]

The connotation is very different. Incels do not claim they are better or worse than women, even though we (or most of us) hate these creatures. Anti-Semites are more like "Oh noo! This inferior, dumb, race is outsmarting my superior and superintelligent race!!11!!" like, no, there's no difference between races, we are all men. But women are not men, they are and have to be different to men due to evolution.

Yeah I see this post here is saying "we hate women," that's an example incel radicalization right here. Can't believe I already see it so fast, that's an example of how bad Society has become from this contagious redpill-misogyny phenomenon.

And it's spreading to little kids, with old ass incel groomers grooming young preteen and teenage boys into this spiteful mindset.

Can you imagine why suddenly there are western feminists? Because misogynistic hateful beliefs like these became widespread among Western men.

I started this thread expecting more to agree or to say "I've never heard of Andrew Tate; what social phenomenon?" But right here is, an live example of incel social phenomenon in action. It's become more widespread than ever.

Obviously since I'm a woman, I would want to look for ways to suppress this malicious mindset infecting men due to Redpill and Manosphere, since it's bad for me (lol) but it's bad for all fellow women. It will disadvantage us, take away our freedom and resources and get all of us killed, or forced into surrogate farms (worse than legalized rape). No sane, non-brainwashed woman wants that for herself. Some of us might not care about if it happens to other women, but that's stupid thinking, because if it happens to all other women (their rights taken), it will happen to her as well.

Anyway, if this ends up happening, western civilization will GO backwards. The Muslim Sharia Law nations like Pakistan with 0 rights are Backwards developmentally, there's violence 24/7 on the streets, stabbings and murders of neighbors, honor killings and beheadings of female rape victims. Do notice those are the LEAST developed countries and are Shitholes, because the men are too busy oppressing (or torturing) women, that they don't stop and spend their time doing better things like increasing their standard of living for everyone as a collective.

Anyway, I'm worried about the future state of humanity on this side, and no blaming women isn't the answer, men still hold majority of leadership and political positions and majority of the Money, and Tech companies and softwares and platforms and internet. I'm not even blaming men specifically, just want us to brainstorm what to regard this Misogyny Incel Phenomenon, plenty of Andrew Tate's have been around for the past Decade (in a rampant increase most recently), only Andrew Tate gained notoriety but Andrew Tate copies have always been here recently. (The mass shooters, and the Redpillers who are Pick-Up Artists), and the
men who are entering the workforce and sabotaging women intentionally (at work) whether through harassment or work sabotage. That's not good to see. Things will be getting worse in the coming future.

Inceldom /hatred of women is already this Ubiquitous. Among Teenage boys, kids, men, even among the ignorant women who are wanting to get those incels approvals. (That's why we sometimes see women defending misogynists and helping covering up their husbands rape crimes. Or groomed girls following orders from the incels.)

It's a dangerous Philosophy. I think America and UK and the West, needs to do something about it.

Otherwise, this entire society is going to collapse within the next 1-2 decades and all disgusting gorey crime and pedophilia and sex trafficking will be the new normal. e.e

(Speaking of pedophilia, underage Child marriages with old ass groomers is still legal in most States in America. Not sure about the UK or Ireland or Europe though. It's definitely already legal in shithole countries.)

The incels had been defending these laws for a long time.

You might want to take a look at the 2008 atheism plus split and the online antagonism folks like anitia did. I graduated hs in 2013 and was pretty liberal . You can verify via my past post history . Any ways in 2013 suddenly many young men entered college where all we heard were men are bad our video games or hobbies were sexist and everything we did was wrong . Like it was non stop. Often time the information about video games was straight up fake ex anita claiming you got points for killing women in hitman or you cant see batmans ass etc . A lot of young mens popular media was attacked and crowds from tumbler etc flooded onto other sites like redit etc to enforce this negative “feminist” agenda. This created a hardline in nerd culture . Like ngl yall know your average warhammer 40 k dude and weebs were not pulling in any woman , so for us in that community it felt like the peak of absurdity . Throw in a few high profile fake rape claims which blew up not to mention how everything in comics and games had to be fixed for being “problematic.” ex claiming Kara Zor-El ( super girl) and laura croft were over sexualized while ignoring the fact every man in comics looks like he is chiseled from pure clomid and testosterone. Yes its comics we like hot sexy men and women in comics and games.” .

To the more political front we had folks like Hillary saying “women are the main victims of war”. That comment not withstanding we than had policy roll outs of vauge and unclear guides to sexual interactions in college. Ex in one assembly we were told any amount of booze means no consent and its always the man who is the aggressor if any booze is drank. Also consent could be withdrawn post sex so now we were put in a huge bind where we had to treat woman like a potential bomb . Its pretty scary when your 18 years old have social anxiety and than your college makes you sit through a hey if you hug your date or make a mistake or have booze its sex assault. It allowed for no human error wiggle room . Ex i would not classify a misinterpreted kiss thats rejected as the same as rape. Like wise if i have had a few beers and so has my partner if she gives consent and i give consent there should not be an issue as we are both adults who know booze gets us drunk.”

video on lies about video game promoted by feminist in early 12-14 era . Fact is its kinda the feminist who blew it up they looked for a demographic of genetic losers to poke gamers . Issue was is they didn’t think through that gamers were a large profitable audience who was easy to throw content to . As such guys like tate moved in and sucked up loads of profit .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI

rape claim
https://apnews.com/article/ct-state-wir ... 29427b213e

[Yarkuo]

Common Tate L

[Techocracy101010]

Common Tate L

tates a bad dude but tbh the culture war that has been kicked off won’t really stop . This will be ongoing just as long as boomer bs has.

[Ayytaly]

Why is mental help only applicable to incels but not to those who treated them like shit?

Incels aren't victims.

They aren't? How so?

[Alcala-Cordel]

Incels aren't victims.

They aren't? How so?

...because they're using a victim complex as an excuse to hate women. Of course they aren't gonna be very successful finding partners when they dehumanize them.

[Iskanistan]

Inceldom is a dangerous cult.

Much like Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a cult.

It's leaders should be arrested and the followers rehabilitated.

[Techocracy101010]

Inceldom is a dangerous cult.

Much like Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a cult.

It's leaders should be arrested and the followers rehabilitated.

a good part is hard facts . We know historically less than 60 percent of males reproduced throughout much of human history . 1850-1960s was a historical aberration with regards to male success . For men we are returning to a more normative economic and reproductive model with a higher rate of losers than winners. This will likely correspond with a higher rate of competition induced violence in society. For examples of high competition societies look at early colonial america from the 1600s-1800 where gender ratios could be as high as 5-4 males per woman . homicide rates have been est as high as 36 per 100k. Humans are just animals and tbh the most dangerous animal is a young male trying to find a spot in a hierarchy. If we are to take evolutionary psychology seriously we know pursuit activities( diversions) will not be successful for controlling men’s violence due to low social standing. People are not dumb and pretty quickly pick up when they are at the bottom of the shit pile and when people are trying to pacify them through distractions.

edit: It must also be said there is an inherent dismissive cruelty in ignoring incels. Society is trying to maintain an absurdly high economic profit off most men while than denying any social or economic gain while ignoring a real human need for sex . Sex is as necessary as water for a healthy mental development of a human . It reinforces positive social roles. When one has no connection to sex they also have no connection to the positive social roles for it . If you see incels as such an issue your only real solution is a pretty regular and large decimation of the male population. It can be argued the wars between great powers in the 1500-1945 served as such . It should be noted these wars were regular and often enough to regularly cull the male population in europe to create a larger female than male population. Realistically you cannot reform or fix incels as they are a creation of structural issues and are not an individual psychological aberration.

We must also realize this is not a cult that is based on fantasy there are some pretty hard facts its based on . A lot of it is based on statistical evidence from psychological studies done on dating websites and backed up by more focused group studies and historical observations. You won’t de program incels by isolating them and essentially yelling at them they are wrong . Also how would you de program folks? Tell them their entire life experience is wrong and they are bad? Just think of the logistics of that you would need to apprehend millions of men isolate them in facilities under observation and than find a way to quite honestly utterly fing break their grasp on reality and their relationship to it. Quite frankly id rather take a 9mm to the Medulla oblongata and be thrown in a ditch .

[Erablegensstan]

Honestly if Incels and Feminists found the word of God, they would be better off mentally and to the people around them.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Honestly if Incels and Feminists found the word of God, they would be better off mentally and to the people around them.

It doesn’t fix everything. You do understand that praying doesn’t fix some things which can only be fixed by medical professionals, right?

I do beliege in God but I also believe that if not for my meds I would’ve been long dead for obvious reasons.

[Rusozak]

Honestly if Incels and Feminists found the word of God, they would be better off mentally and to the people around them.

Because that worked so well for women in [name any theocracy].

[Techocracy101010]

Honestly if Incels and Feminists found the word of God, they would be better off mentally and to the people around them.

ah you have not found the terminally online trad cats or ortho bros.

[Ayytaly]

They aren't? How so?

...because they're using a victim complex as an excuse to hate women. Of course they aren't gonna be very successful finding partners when they dehumanize them.

Do they hate all women?

[Neutraligon]

...because they're using a victim complex as an excuse to hate women. Of course they aren't gonna be very successful finding partners when they dehumanize them.

Do they hate all women?

Except possibly their mother...and even that is questionable, at least that is my experience.

[Existential Cats]

...because they're using a victim complex as an excuse to hate women. Of course they aren't gonna be very successful finding partners when they dehumanize them.

Do they hate all women?

I doubt they hate conventionally unattractive women or elderly women, but that's because they're not interested in them sexually.

[Ayytaly]

Do they hate all women?

I doubt they hate conventionally unattractive women or elderly women, but that's because they're not interested in them sexually.

I don't think sex is the primary factor here. Sure, it's a big deal amongst incels AFAIK but if the core issue here is that they are constantly rejected and repudiated for looks and other factors by most women they know or ever met and developed a strong loathing of themselves and others (to the point of sociopathy) I'm sure they'll take the "ugly" girl if it means actually feeling loved for once.

[Neutraligon]

I doubt they hate conventionally unattractive women or elderly women, but that's because they're not interested in them sexually.

I don't think sex is the primary factor here. Sure, it's a big deal amongst incels AFAIK but if the core issue here is that they are constantly rejected and repudiated for looks and other factors by most women they know or ever met and developed a strong loathing of themselves and others (to the point of sociopathy) I'm sure they'll take the "ugly" girl if it means actually feeling loved for once.

Not from what I have seen.

[WayNeacTia]

I doubt they hate conventionally unattractive women or elderly women, but that's because they're not interested in them sexually.

I don't think sex is the primary factor here. Sure, it's a big deal amongst incels AFAIK but if the core issue here is that they are constantly rejected and repudiated for looks and other factors by most women they know or ever met and developed a strong loathing of themselves and others (to the point of sociopathy) I'm sure they'll take the "ugly" girl if it means actually feeling loved for once.

Hardly…. They believe they deserve supermodels, henceforth they they are involuntary celibate.

[Existential Cats]

I doubt they hate conventionally unattractive women or elderly women, but that's because they're not interested in them sexually.

I don't think sex is the primary factor here. Sure, it's a big deal amongst incels AFAIK but if the core issue here is that they are constantly rejected and repudiated for looks and other factors by most women they know or ever met and developed a strong loathing of themselves and others (to the point of sociopathy) I'm sure they'll take the "ugly" girl if it means actually feeling loved for once.

Pretty much everything for an incel comes down to sex. Hence the name... involuntary celibate.

They're not interested in girls they deem less attractive than them: a big gripe of theirs is perceived hypergamy as opposed to a "fair" system where people only date others as attractive as they are.

And they're not rejected, they just think they are rejected. Elliot Rodger constantly complained about being rejected by women, but if you read his manifesto, his tactic for getting a girl was walking into a classroom wearing expensive clothes, cruising around town driving a Mercedes, and expecting to win the lottery. No evidence that he ever once tried to ask a girl out to even be rejected. Incels feel they are entitled to sex and interpret women not automatically fawning over them as rejection.

If they actually did approach girls, they'd have a better understanding of how relationships work, and they'd realize appearance isn't always the be-all-end-all of relationships.

[Galloism]

They aren't? How so?

...because they're using a victim complex as an excuse to hate women. Of course they aren't gonna be very successful finding partners when they dehumanize them.

I laughed way too hard at this.

[El Lazaro]

Inceldom is a dangerous cult.

Much like Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a cult.

It's leaders should be arrested and the followers rehabilitated.

And these leaders are who exactly? It’s not a cult, just an echo chamber that grows and reinforces irrationality because it seeks community through sharing cognitive distortions. Also, you can’t arrest people for their beliefs. I would still say there is a strong argument for server hosts kicking out incel forums because they’re a breeding ground for violent extremism.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I’d say that a lot of inceldom problems is mentally related and/or comes from self esteem issues. Personal experience eh.

[Saiwania]

If they actually did approach girls, they'd have a better understanding of how relationships work, and they'd realize appearance isn't always the be-all-end-all of relationships.

Physical appearance in general, is secondary to social skills. You also usually want to be of like language and culture to someone else as a baseline to start from. If you're a smooth enough talker, even being ugly probably isn't going to stop you from getting towards what you want from or with other people. However, it is nonsense that the men should be expected to always have to be the ones to first approach or initiate.

If you're too introverted or risk adverse, it is often better from their perspective to not bother trying at all and just become happy with isolation to the most extent possible. Especially when approaching can be an unacceptably risky gamble where you might get sexual harassment accusations and more.

Too many people out there are now too high strung, on edge, or assume the worst in others. There is little to no reason to particularly even like the company of most other people out there by default that you come across, if that is just not your element and you disapprove of what you see more often than find anything good about real life.

[Techocracy101010]

If they actually did approach girls, they'd have a better understanding of how relationships work, and they'd realize appearance isn't always the be-all-end-all of relationships.

Physical appearance in general, is secondary to social skills. You also usually want to be of like language and culture to someone else as a baseline to start from. If you're a smooth enough talker, even being ugly probably isn't going to stop you from getting towards what you want from or with other people. However, it is nonsense that the men should be expected to always have to be the ones to first approach or initiate.

If you're too introverted or risk adverse, it is often better from their perspective to not bother trying at all and just become happy with isolation to the most extent possible. Especially when approaching can be an unacceptably risky gamble where you might get sexual harassment accusations and more.

Too many people out there are now too high strung, on edge, or assume the worst in others. There is little to no reason to particularly even like the company of most other people out there by default that you come across, if that is just not your element and you disapprove of what you see more often than find anything good about real life.

Given my life experiences approaching was scary due to fed up shit that happened to me years ago. I can still say the social hesitancy sticks. Once you hammer a nail into a board you can pull it out but the hole remains