The Problem with Andrew Tate (and Incel Radicalization)

[Thermodolia]

And they are getting Tate for human trafficking. Sai is just making shit up.

Information is, unreliable the more long distance it is. We typically have to wait to see what actually pans out as being true. If he's only being held for 30 days, the case is probably too weak and he'll flee Romania as soon as he's let go.

Sai last night they said they where going to hold him for 24 hours, now they said they’ll hold him for 30 days. Clearly they’ve found something and it won’t be long before that 30 days turns into remand while the trial happens

[New-Minneapolis]

Information is, unreliable the more long distance it is. We typically have to wait to see what actually pans out as being true. If he's only being held for 30 days, the case is probably too weak and he'll flee Romania as soon as he's let go.

Sai last night they said they where going to hold him for 24 hours, now they said they’ll hold him for 30 days. Clearly they’ve found something and it won’t be long before that 30 days turns into remand while the trial happens

Sai is upset that one of his ideals turned out to *allegedly* to be a monster.

We are seeing from Sai is just typical far-right populist cope

[Katganistan]

I will say that Andrew Tate being guilty of human trafficking isn't terribly surprising given his line of work. My operating assumption at the moment is that almost all men with power involved in the sex industry, including the production and distribution of pornography, especially in Eastern Europe, are guilty of multiple counts of sex-trafficking. This includes even the operators of brothels in places like Germany and the Netherlands. Horrible abuses are absolutely rife in the industry.

The man has said women belong to men and if a woman gets uppity, bang out comes the machete, punch her in the face and grab her by the throat.

I hope he does hard time for the sex trafficking.

[Thermodolia]

he's "released" after the 30 days
and by that i mean he's let out from prison and such but most likely still under survelliance for likely 1-2 years

Probably he won't be released after 30 days. I would expect that he can be held for questioning without charge for up to 30 days, given that this is an organised crime investigation. While the Tate brothers and their two arrested associates are in custody, the police will have the chance to interview other members of their organisation and especially their victims and based on anything learned there, possibly press additional charges when the 30 days are up.

That’s totally the case. Original reports said they’d hold him for 24 hours, and now they are saying 30 days. Clear they found something worth keeping him in Romanian custody

[Utquiagvik]

I’m seeing rumours that he was released, but all the news stuff is saying he’s still in prison, and then there’s this:

So is he released or not? I’m confused

he's "released" after the 30 days
and by that i mean he's let out from prison and such but most likely still under survelliance for likely 1-2 years

30 days seems a bit light for rape and human trafficking, doesn’t it?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

he's "released" after the 30 days
and by that i mean he's let out from prison and such but most likely still under survelliance for likely 1-2 years

30 days seems a bit light for rape and human trafficking, doesn’t it?

30 days is the period the Romanian police is holding him while they get the prosecutor and assemble the court case.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I will say that Andrew Tate being guilty of human trafficking isn't terribly surprising given his line of work. My operating assumption at the moment is that almost all men with power involved in the sex industry, including the production and distribution of pornography, especially in Eastern Europe, are guilty of multiple counts of sex-trafficking. This includes even the operators of brothels in places like Germany and the Netherlands. Horrible abuses are absolutely rife in the industry.

The man has said women belong to men and if a woman gets uppity, bang out comes the machete, punch her in the face and grab her by the throat.

I hope he does hard time for the sex trafficking.

He also capitalized off hundreds if not thousands of males with broken personalities and psychiatric issues. TBH if he was that popular two years ago I’d watch him out of hopes to become an “alpha male” too.
This [REDACTED] probably helped raise at least a pair of serial murderers and/or rapists.

[Picairn]

I’m seeing rumours that he was released, but all the news stuff is saying he’s still in prison, and then there’s this:

Andrew Tate: Romanian police to hold influencer for 30 days

So is he released or not? I’m confused

The rumours that he was released are most likely fake. "He tweeted" but someone else could have done that for him, "Here is a video of him walking out" but instead it's all old footages of him in previous arrest or raid.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

I will say that Andrew Tate being guilty of human trafficking isn't terribly surprising given his line of work. My operating assumption at the moment is that almost all men with power involved in the sex industry, including the production and distribution of pornography, especially in Eastern Europe, are guilty of multiple counts of sex-trafficking. This includes even the operators of brothels in places like Germany and the Netherlands. Horrible abuses are absolutely rife in the industry.

The man has said women belong to men and if a woman gets uppity, bang out comes the machete, punch her in the face and grab her by the throat.

I hope he does hard time for the sex trafficking.

He kind of wants you to condemn him for his sexist shock-jock comments, as it actually deflects people from the facts that show that he is a total scam artist. It pulls most criticism into the culture war, turning it into more culture war drama (which is ineffective in turning his target demographics away from his influence and scams), when he runs out the backdoor with people's life savings.

He will even use the condemnation of his sexist comments to deflect from the human trafficking evidence believe it or not.

[Pasong Tirad]

I’m seeing rumours that he was released, but all the news stuff is saying he’s still in prison, and then there’s this:

So is he released or not? I’m confused

The rumours that he was released are most likely fake. "He tweeted" but someone else could have done that for him, "Here is a video of him walking out" but instead it's all old footages of him in previous arrest or raid.

Nobody look into why there's old footage of his house being raided and him being detained.

[Fahran]

Is it a pure greed or corruption thing? You'd think that porn as an industry, is rich enough as to be able to find willing and cooperative adults who'll take on the risks of working that sort of job for the right price and amenities.

Men who make a living selling lewd and degrading content involving women and girls being garbage people on the whole shouldn't really surprise anyone. For every open misogynist and abuser like Andrew Tate, there's plenty of folks like Rudloff and Pratt who exploit the cover provided by the legalization of certain sex work to do similar things. It's not really a matter of wealth. Nestle doesn't need to do half the sketchy stuff it does to turn a profit either. They do it because they're immoral and prioritize their bottom line (making even more money) over human decency.

[Fahran]

Tate's pitch to men about what an alpha he is, so they'll buy his courses on how to be an alpha or pay to join his "War Room", is that he "seduces" women so completely that they're all perfectly happy to be cam girls for his websites. Dude's basically been bragging openly for years about sex trafficking with the slightest veneer of it all being consensual and above board.

Oh, yeah. His remark about it being more difficult to convict someone of rape in Romania should have been a massive red flag for his fans and defenders. I do find it more than a little ironic, setting aside the abuse which his fans seem to either support or ignore, that he's actively involved in an industry that probably makes men less "alpha" by turning them into "simps" and "coomers." Man's pretty much always been a very obvious grifter who only cared about making a quick buck while dripping venom on the majority of men and all women. Following the Manosphere's pick-me girls, a number of them claim to have helped him with content. I'm honestly curious whether they could be seen as complicit in his conspiracy legally. I know Jordan Peterson's daughter helped him at one point.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

The rumours that he was released are most likely fake. "He tweeted" but someone else could have done that for him, "Here is a video of him walking out" but instead it's all old footages of him in previous arrest or raid.

Nobody look into why there's old footage of his house being raided and him being detained.

He used groomed porn stars of his to manipulate men into giving them donations. Going so far as having them craft fake stories of dead relatives to send them money, which went into Tate's pocket. By his own admission, he was a scammer, calling his own business a "total scam."

I don't know if he engaged in trafficking at that time, but he certainly had a false sense of security that he would get away with doing it in Romania.

[Fahran]

It enrages me that right wingers that were calling LGBT pedophile groomers are either defending Tate, or doing a "What about Epstein's list?" soviet style whataboutism deflection.

Oh, I still want more heads to roll over association with Epstein or knowingly ignoring Weinstein. I'm just not going to use those desires to make apologias for a known abuser, sex trafficker, and rapist. I've actually read at least a couple comments circulating online that some of Tate's associates in organized crime might have ratted him out to the police because he's constantly crowing about the illegal crap he does, putting a spotlight on them as well. It'd be an additional bit of comeuppance for his hubris if true. But, honestly, I'm just glad he'll spend years in prison if it turns out he did what he's accused of doing.

The only thing that is stopping me from going back on Twitter to tell these folks to go fuck themselves is that I don't trust Musk with my data.

I doubt Musk will do too much given you're a small enough fish.

[Intaglio]

I just heard about his arrest and it doesn't surprise me in the least that someone like that was arrested for human trafficking. He's a terrible human being who encouraged others to be terrible human beings. Hopefully, this'll make up some of his supporters

[Saiwania]

Does the Manosphere have any good points? I'd contend that it wouldn't exist if those people who comprise it, didn't have any greivances over how the world currently works so far as gender roles/relations go. If Andrew Tate is out of the picture, who is most likely to replace him?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Does the Manosphere have any good points? I'd contend that it wouldn't exist if those people who comprise it, didn't have any greivances over how the world currently works so far as gender roles/relations go.

While it is true that certain kinds of feminism can make a man feel emasculated, their grievances are almost always economic in nature. Growing up in a neoliberal era where they're going to be stuck in a dead end job and have to contend with having a lower economic standing than their own parents, all while the 1% eat up more and more of the world's wealth. A masculine figure who promises a way out naturally becomes appealing.

Stop pretending to care about these men Sai, considering the fact that you seek to give even more power to titans of industry (ie. the 1%), and would certainly throw these people under the bus for the pursuit of power.

[Saiwania]

While it is true that certain kinds of feminism can make a man feel emasculated, their grievances are almost always economic in nature. Growing up in a neoliberal era where they're going to be stuck in a dead end job and have to contend with having a lower economic standing than their own parents, all while the 1% eat up more and more of the world's wealth. A masculine figure who promises a way out naturally becomes appealing.

Stop pretending to care about these men Sai, considering the fact that you seek to give even more power to titans of industry (ie. the 1%), and would certainly throw these people under the bus for the pursuit of power.

I don't care about other people in general, but do wonder at why things are as they are. What is going on and etc. How true are the accusations from women haters that women have all of the upside and none of the downsides compared to men, when historically women have had it worse for a long time? Pregnancy in general, is usually seen as a huge disadvantage. It'll make an employer want to fire them because they know with a kid, they'll be less available for work or their productivity will go down.

[Ifreann]

Tate's pitch to men about what an alpha he is, so they'll buy his courses on how to be an alpha or pay to join his "War Room", is that he "seduces" women so completely that they're all perfectly happy to be cam girls for his websites. Dude's basically been bragging openly for years about sex trafficking with the slightest veneer of it all being consensual and above board.

Oh, yeah. His remark about it being more difficult to convict someone of rape in Romania should have been a massive red flag for his fans and defenders. I do find it more than a little ironic, setting aside the abuse which his fans seem to either support or ignore, that he's actively involved in an industry that probably makes men less "alpha" by turning them into "simps" and "coomers." Man's pretty much always been a very obvious grifter who only cared about making a quick buck while dripping venom on the majority of men and all women. Following the Manosphere's pick-me girls, a number of them claim to have helped him with content. I'm honestly curious whether they could be seen as complicit in his conspiracy legally. I know Jordan Peterson's daughter helped him at one point.

I believe Mike Cernovich visited him in Romania at one point. And made a point not to bring his wife.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

While it is true that certain kinds of feminism can make a man feel emasculated, their grievances are almost always economic in nature. Growing up in a neoliberal era where they're going to be stuck in a dead end job and have to contend with having a lower economic standing than their own parents, all while the 1% eat up more and more of the world's wealth. A masculine figure who promises a way out naturally becomes appealing.

Stop pretending to care about these men Sai, considering the fact that you seek to give even more power to titans of industry (ie. the 1%), and would certainly throw these people under the bus for the pursuit of power.

I don't care about other people in general, but do wonder at why things are as they are. What is going on and etc. How true are the accusations from women haters that women have all of the upside and none of the downsides compared to men, when historically women have had it worse for a long time? Pregnancy in general, is usually seen as a huge disadvantage. It'll make an employer want to fire them because they know with a kid, they'll be less available for work or their productivity will go down.

It's sold to them as a way out of their current problems when they're really being used as pawns for a side of the culture war and a source of money. It's often instilled in these men through propaganda so they focus on contrived culture war grievances while the real oppressors steal their money and instill within them a "false consciousness."

I know it's a Marxist term, and while I am not a Marxist, it's the best way to explain what is going on.

[Intaglio]

comes in with my THANGATRUCK
idrk why elon musk unbanned him and allowed him to gain another platform to do dumb shit]

As far as I can tell, Musk is just unbanning everybody or at least anybody who enough people ask to be unbanned,
with seemingly with no consideration as to WHY they got banned in the first place.

[Saiwania]

It's sold to them as a way out of their current problems when they're really being used as pawns for a side of the culture war and a source of money. It's often instilled in these men through propaganda so they focus on contrived culture war grievances while the real oppressors steal their money and instill within them a "false consciousness."

I'm not so sure. I hear a lot about how people don't communicate as well anymore relatively speaking, compared to in the past. Allegedly, present day dating/hookup culture is complete rubbish, based mainly on looks and mind games. Perhaps they don't approve of the status quo. I certainly don't like LGBTQ+ stuff becoming more prominent to where it is in your face everywhere- rather than closeted. I want nothing to do with what isn't cisgender, but it is as if you can't escape from that stuff. So much of everything is just "anything goes" nowadays.

[Heloin]

It's sold to them as a way out of their current problems when they're really being used as pawns for a side of the culture war and a source of money. It's often instilled in these men through propaganda so they focus on contrived culture war grievances while the real oppressors steal their money and instill within them a "false consciousness."

I'm not so sure. I hear a lot about how people don't communicate as well anymore relatively speaking, compared to in the past. Allegedly, present day dating/hookup culture is complete rubbish, based mainly on looks and mind games. Perhaps they don't approve of the status quo. I certainly don't like LGBTQ+ stuff becoming more prominent to where it is in your face everywhere- rather than closeted. I want nothing to do with what isn't cisgender, but it is as if you can't escape from that stuff. So much of everything is just "anything goes" nowadays.

Sai, when is the last time you ever went on a date?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

I'm not so sure. I hear a lot about how people don't communicate as well anymore relatively speaking, compared to in the past. Allegedly, present day dating/hookup culture is complete rubbish, based mainly on looks and mind games. Perhaps they don't approve of the status quo. I certainly don't like LGBTQ+ stuff becoming more prominent to where it is in your face everywhere- rather than closeted. I want nothing to do with what isn't cisgender, but it is as if you can't escape from that stuff. So much of everything is just "anything goes" nowadays.

Sai, when is the last time you ever went on a date?

Mr. Black Triangle will never do something productive like that.

[Saiwania]

Sai, when is the last time you ever went on a date?

I'm just going by what I read from other people. I'm Schizoid, so it isn't something that speaks to me- way too much emotion. I prefer messaging on Discord/online infinitely more than talking in person. The man paying for everything, sounds like an arrangement I want to avoid. Keeping your money or preventing its depletion is more important whilst you're not yet rich enough.