The Problem with Andrew Tate (and Incel Radicalization)

[Armeattla]

Sexual frustration leads to terrorism. Shaming people for their lack of "experience" is sure as hell a trigger for that. The status quo creates its own enemy and yet it cynically blames those who don't partake in it.

Majorities of people in the developed world report being lonely on a regular basis nowadays. Loneliness has a comparable effect on life expectancy to cigarettes.

As I've said previously on this thread, I don't know what the actual solution is, but it's clear that the pendulum has swung way, way too far towards isolation. We need some kind of society wide socialisation or this shit's going to get worse.

Something something alienation something something opposing atomization something something organizing.

[Ayytaly]

Majorities of people in the developed world report being lonely on a regular basis nowadays. Loneliness has a comparable effect on life expectancy to cigarettes.

As I've said previously on this thread, I don't know what the actual solution is, but it's clear that the pendulum has swung way, way too far towards isolation. We need some kind of society wide socialisation or this shit's going to get worse.

Something something alienation something something opposing atomization something something organizing.

Also something something sex becoming more casual and profitable which means relationships become obsolete.

[Des-Bal]

Something something alienation something something opposing atomization something something organizing.

Oh it's been said before, that means it's not valid. What's incorrect exactly? Are we saying that the way people interact has not changed, people are not lonely, or that being lonely does not have deleterious effects?

[Terra Saare]

wait why do people hold sex in such a high regard
(i'm a confused asexual so like yeah might sound dumb but i've legit never wanted to do that with someone soooooo bear that in mind)

[Chan Island]

wait why do people hold sex in such a high regard
(i'm a confused asexual so like yeah might sound dumb but i've legit never wanted to do that with someone soooooo bear that in mind)

Most people generally have a fairly strongly drive to seek a relationship and sex to some extent. It's something hardwired into humans because it's the means by which new humans come into the world. In fact it is the lack of that drive which defines what an asexual is.

[Terra Saare]

wait why do people hold sex in such a high regard
(i'm a confused asexual so like yeah might sound dumb but i've legit never wanted to do that with someone soooooo bear that in mind)

Most people generally have a fairly strongly drive to seek a relationship and sex to some extent. It's something hardwired into humans because it's the means by which new humans come into the world. In fact it is the lack of that drive which defines what an asexual is.

well i somewhat understand the first part, seeking a romantic relationship that is (i don't see it as necessary for myself, but i'm in one and i prefer it over being single so yeah)
however the sex part... again, asexual, no sexual attraction, so i'll never understand that aspect
but yeah thanks for explaining that to me

[-uk of england]

its simply not possible to be an incel in the west. if you cant get fucked on tinder just hire a prossie simple

[Fahran]

wait why do people hold sex in such a high regard
(i'm a confused asexual so like yeah might sound dumb but i've legit never wanted to do that with someone soooooo bear that in mind)

It's not just sex. It's companionship, affection, love, and social relationships more broadly. A lot of self-described incels seldom have genuine friendships.

[Fahran]

its simply not possible to be an incel in the west. if you cant get fucked on tinder just hire a prossie simple

1. Prostitution is illegal. Don't encourage people to engage in criminal activity.

2. While there's a fixation on sexuality, the problem for incels isn't just sex. It's the lack of social relationships and the societal recognition that often accompanies them. We're discussing young men, usually young men with autism or other disorders and hindrances that make socialization difficult, who are experiencing the delay or complete absence of romantic relationships that has come to define our increasingly urbanized, globalized, digitized, atomized, and superficial societies. They're not really experiencing this alone or exclusively, but they don't know what others are experiencing and, crucially, they're more likely to suffer from it.

[Urlendia]

its simply not possible to be an incel in the west. if you cant get fucked on tinder just hire a prossie simple

1. Prostitution is illegal. Don't encourage people to engage in criminal activity.

2. While there's a fixation on sexuality, the problem for incels isn't just sex. It's the lack of social relationships and the societal recognition that often accompanies them. We're discussing young men, usually young men with autism or other disorders and hindrances that make socialization difficult, who are experiencing the delay or complete absence of romantic relationships that has come to define our increasingly urbanized, globalized, digitized, atomized, and superficial societies. They're not really experiencing this alone or exclusively, but they don't know what others are experiencing and, crucially, they're more likely to suffer from it.

prostitution is not illegal all over the world

[Fahran]

prostitution is not illegal all over the world

Prostitution is either illegal or severely restricted in most Anglophone countries. It's plainly illegal in both the US and Canada. It's legal in England and Wales, but various laws criminalize both solicitation and owning/managing a brothel, meaning it is effectively illegal in much of the UK. Australia has similar laws on the books. And sex tourism shouldn't really be encouraged given it's often openly illegal or adjacent to illegal activities.

But, as I mentioned above, the problem isn't just sex. It's socialization, loneliness, and lack of status.

[Urlendia]

prostitution is not illegal all over the world

Prostitution is either illegal or severely restricted in most Anglophone countries. It's plainly illegal in both the US and Canada. It's legal in England and Wales, but various laws criminalize both solicitation and owning/managing a brothel, meaning it is effectively illegal in much of the UK. Australia has similar laws on the books. And sex tourism shouldn't really be encouraged given it's often openly illegal or adjacent to illegal activities.

But, as I mentioned above, the problem isn't just sex. It's socialization, loneliness, and lack of status.

To think that there are dozens of non-Anglophone countries! Preposterous.

[El Lazaro]

Prostitution is either illegal or severely restricted in most Anglophone countries. It's plainly illegal in both the US and Canada. It's legal in England and Wales, but various laws criminalize both solicitation and owning/managing a brothel, meaning it is effectively illegal in much of the UK. Australia has similar laws on the books. And sex tourism shouldn't really be encouraged given it's often openly illegal or adjacent to illegal activities.

But, as I mentioned above, the problem isn't just sex. It's socialization, loneliness, and lack of status.

To think that there are dozens of non-Anglophone countries! Preposterous.

That’s covered under sex tourism, unless you’re from one of them

[Fahran]

To think that there are dozens of non-Anglophone countries! Preposterous.

Which addresses one of my above arguments. Which you likely misconstrued. I'm telling you not to encourage people to violate the laws of the countries most of them reside in. The owner of the site is from Australia, the servers are hosted in Canada if I recall correctly, and most user hails from the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or the UK. We do have users from Latin America, Africa, Continental Europe, and Asia as well, but they're in the minority.

Never mind that sex work doesn't solve the root problem behind the incels. And it arguably makes the red-pill problem even worse by playing into the paradigm's assumptions about men, women, and gender relations.

[Thermodolia]

Andrew Tate and his brother have been arrested by the Romanian authorities in relation to a human trafficking and rape case

[Nora Xent]

Andrew Tate and his brother have been arrested by the Romanian authorities in relation to a human trafficking and rape case

beefed with a 19 year old and possibly got sent to romanian prison for it.

[Thermodolia]

Andrew Tate and his brother have been arrested by the Romanian authorities in relation to a human trafficking and rape case

beefed with a 19 year old and possibly got sent to romanian prison for it.

No that’s the whole reason he got arrested.

The Romanians needed confirmation that he was in country in order to arrest him. So when they happened to see the pizza box from a Romanian pizza chain in his response video to Greta they ordered the raid.

His pee pee really do be small

[Nora Xent]

beefed with a 19 year old and possibly got sent to romanian prison for it.

No that’s the whole reason he got arrested.

The Romanians needed confirmation that he was in country in order to arrest him. So when they happened to see the pizza box from a Romanian pizza chain in his response video to Greta they ordered the raid.

His pee pee really do be small

Oh I know. And it's deeply hilarious that he got sent to prison over this. RIP BOZO but it's likely that someone else will come along and fill his role in the Manosphere.

[Delitai]

Andrew Tate wants social media domination just like how Vladimir Putin wants world domination.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

Andrew Tate wants social media domination just like how Vladmir Putin wants world domination.

Vladimir domination sounds horrible and painful... that’s a hard no!

[Saiwania]

Andrew Tate and his brother have been arrested by the Romanian authorities in relation to a human trafficking and rape case

Is this current? Or the old accusations and hearsay from years back that went nowhere, or the old accusations/hearsay actually going somewhere because enough evidence has been collected for a case in Romania?

It could well be that he's going to be let go after this arrest because nothing found/extracted will stick. He can probably only benefit if he shuts up.

[Thermodolia]

Andrew Tate and his brother have been arrested by the Romanian authorities in relation to a human trafficking and rape case

Is this current?

It just happened if that’s what your asking

[Heloin]

Andrew Tate and his brother have been arrested by the Romanian authorities in relation to a human trafficking and rape case

Is this current? Or the old accusations and hearsay from years back that went nowhere, or the old accusations/hearsay actually going somewhere because enough evidence has been collected for a case in Romania?

It could well be that he's going to be let go after this arrest because nothing found/extracted will stick. He can probably only benefit if he shuts up.

They just raided his house with armed police for shits and giggles obviously.

[Stellar Colonies]

Andrew Tate and his brother have been arrested by the Romanian authorities in relation to a human trafficking and rape case

Excellent news.

[Juristonia]

>Pick a twitter fight and get bodied by Greta Thunberg
>Go to Romanian prison

'tis the season to be jolly~