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Postby Kathol Rift » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:04 pm

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what??????

This video. In hindsight, it is about books specifically, but still highlights how much of an idiot he is.
https://youtube.com/shorts/PZu0bDpxiUs?feature=share
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:05 pm

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The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Andrew Tate and people like him are a particular brand of evil. they see angry, vulnerable people and empower and embolden them merely to profit off of that anger, regardless of the harm it causes to people and society as a whole. they represent the worst effects of capitalism and belong in a deep circle of hell. I wouldn't solely blame them, though. the incels choose to believe in people like him; any fool could tell Tate's ideas are stupid by thinking about them for more than a few seconds. incels allow themselves to be taken advantage of because they don't want to reflect on their problems. people like Tate give them another option: take their anger out on society. it's society's fault, not theirs. it's an enticing but largely incorrect idea.

Even in an anti-capitalist society, I still think Andrew Tate wannabes would pop up all over the place. Also, without legitimizing their ideas, maybe we should look into why these "incels" are so angry (pre-radicalization). I believe there's definitely a genuine social issue here, that can be examined without being obfuscated by the mysogynistic terrorists it spawned.


They’re angry because they exist at the crossroads between the old ideas that men are defined by their sexual conquests (thus leaving them dealing with feelings of inadequacy) and a belief that they are entitled to the use of womens’ bodies and reacting with anger at being denied that when a woman has the nerve to say no.
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Postby New Flyrinia » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:13 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:Even in an anti-capitalist society, I still think Andrew Tate wannabes would pop up all over the place. Also, without legitimizing their ideas, maybe we should look into why these "incels" are so angry (pre-radicalization). I believe there's definitely a genuine social issue here, that can be examined without being obfuscated by the mysogynistic terrorists it spawned.


They’re angry because they exist at the crossroads between the old ideas that men are defined by their sexual conquests (thus leaving them dealing with feelings of inadequacy) and a belief that they are entitled to the use of womens’ bodies and reacting with anger at being denied that when a woman has the nerve to say no.


Me, as a man myself, think there should be a lot of education and teach men that women aren't property and incels get no bitches

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Postby Kathol Rift » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:16 pm

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Vassenor wrote:
They’re angry because they exist at the crossroads between the old ideas that men are defined by their sexual conquests (thus leaving them dealing with feelings of inadequacy) and a belief that they are entitled to the use of womens’ bodies and reacting with anger at being denied that when a woman has the nerve to say no.


Me, as a man myself, think there should be a lot of education and teach men that women aren't property and incels get no bitches

Incels are very aware of the fact that they get no bitches. The problem is that they blame that on women instead of their own insane ideals.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:17 pm

Kathol Rift wrote:
New Flyrinia wrote:
Me, as a man myself, think there should be a lot of education and teach men that women aren't property and incels get no bitches

Incels are very aware of the fact that they get no bitches. The problem is that they blame that on women instead of their own insane ideals.


The whole “why don’t women want me I’m such a Nice Guy” shtick.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:29 pm

Kathol Rift wrote:
New Flyrinia wrote:
Me, as a man myself, think there should be a lot of education and teach men that women aren't property and incels get no bitches

Incels are very aware of the fact that they get no bitches. The problem is that they blame that on women instead of their own insane ideals.


Isn't "getting no bitches" like the defining feature of an incel?

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Postby Kathol Rift » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:31 pm

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Kathol Rift wrote:Incels are very aware of the fact that they get no bitches. The problem is that they blame that on women instead of their own insane ideals.


The whole “why don’t women want me I’m such a Nice Guy” shtick.

Yeah, the Nice Guy Syndrome. It's absolutely ridiculous, and it's the same kind of thinking that produces racists and fascists in the modern age.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:34 pm

Never heard of this man before.

Kathol Rift wrote:
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what??????

This video. In hindsight, it is about books specifically, but still highlights how much of an idiot he is.
https://youtube.com/shorts/PZu0bDpxiUs?feature=share


...And apparently it wasn't worth hearing of him either.
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Postby Iskanistan » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:35 pm

Queen Yuno wrote:I'm not sure what's the demographic here. But all my male friends IRL (in the West) already know about Andrew Tate, the most googled British-American in recent times and it pisses me off. Even the Western and Asian guys in the west I know. Basically any young man on social media. Even the Tech Illiterate guys that I know, are claiming Tate said some good stuff because his FRIENDS exposed those views to him. Those male friend groups you know.

I tell one guy not to watch him.

He responds "I didn't intend to, I was browsing tiktok normally and tiktok pushed and flooded my entire feed with his videos. I never searched him up."


Literally who? No seriously i had to google it. And I am not sure if this is a rabbit hole I want to touch even from afar.
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:37 pm

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Kathol Rift wrote:Incels are very aware of the fact that they get no bitches. The problem is that they blame that on women instead of their own insane ideals.


Isn't "getting no bitches" like the defining feature of an incel?


That alone isn't what makes an incel. It's that coupled with a toxic personality and a mindset of blaming women for their lack of sexual activity.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:40 pm

Rusozak wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Isn't "getting no bitches" like the defining feature of an incel?


That alone isn't what makes an incel. It's that coupled with a toxic personality and a mindset of blaming women for their lack of sexual activity.


And other men. Pretty much anything but themselves.
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Postby Sordhau » Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:44 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
That alone isn't what makes an incel. It's that coupled with a toxic personality and a mindset of blaming women for their lack of sexual activity.


And other men. Pretty much anything but themselves.


Incels be like:

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Rusozak wrote:That alone isn't what makes an incel. It's that coupled with a toxic personality and a mindset of blaming women for their lack of sexual activity.

This right here. I myself am an "einzelganger", but blame no one but myself for any shortcomings in my life. I have accepted the fact that maybe I could get a new relationship if I engaged in more social activities but being a loner has its perks too. Nor do I view any human being as vile "creatures" or oppressors, hateful, etc.

Incels always struck me as the ultimate "edgelords" who are angry at the world, especially women, for not wanting to improve their lives but want people to do it for them.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:00 pm

Vivolkha wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Andrew Tate and people like him are a particular brand of evil. they see angry, vulnerable people and empower and embolden them merely to profit off of that anger, regardless of the harm it causes to people and society as a whole. they represent the worst effects of capitalism and belong in a deep circle of hell. I wouldn't solely blame them, though. the incels choose to believe in people like him; any fool could tell Tate's ideas are stupid by thinking about them for more than a few seconds. incels allow themselves to be taken advantage of because they don't want to reflect on their problems. people like Tate give them another option: take their anger out on society. it's society's fault, not theirs. it's an enticing but largely incorrect idea.

Even in an anti-capitalist society, I still think Andrew Tate wannabes would pop up all over the place. Also, without legitimizing their ideas, maybe we should look into why these "incels" are so angry (pre-radicalization). I believe there's definitely a genuine social issue here, that can be examined without being obfuscated by the mysogynistic terrorists it spawned.


they're angry because they believe that they should - or deserve - to have a partner, which is fostered in part by the societal expectation that one find a partner and make a family. I don't think it's very complex.
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Postby Iskanistan » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:01 pm

Queen Yuno wrote:Also this was a Popular Teachers thread from Reddit. I hope this further demonstrates the social contagion and dangers of Male Radicalization on Social Media, it screws with hardworking women

The rise of Andrew Tate is ruining my freshman boys
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Have y’all heard of a sexist, misogynistic, disgusting excuse of human being known as Andrew Tate?

Well, I promise you all your middle school & high school boys have & they’re addicted to his content. Just this week I had to have 6 convos with families about their sons saying shit like “women are inferior to men” “women belong in the kitchen Ms____”.

Not only are they making these misogynistic claims in class but are literally refusing to do assignments if it’s sourced from a woman….I had three boys refuse to read an article by a female author because “women should only be housewives”. But when I say “I’m a teacher and here teaching you” the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they start saying “yah but teaching is a woman’s job”…??!?

5/6 parents (all mothers) were mortified when I discussed their comments. The other 1 dad said “we’ll he isn’t wrong”. 2 are immigrant mothers and they cried on the phone when I shared a video of Andrew Tate that their sons kept referencing & translated the content to them. And this particular videos was talking about his webcaming “business” (ie human trafficking women).

Y’all. It’s been only 2 weeks of school & these young boys are losing it. I’ve never heard such vitriol from young boys since this Andrew Tate guy came on the scene.

This rise of incel and misogynistic rhetoric is terrifying.


Are there other sources than an odd reddit post by an deleted account that this is becoming a widespread thing?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:04 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Kathol Rift wrote:Incels are very aware of the fact that they get no bitches. The problem is that they blame that on women instead of their own insane ideals.


The whole “why don’t women want me I’m such a Nice Guy” shtick.

What follows is an overlong anecdote with unnecessary details about the time I was the asshole she's dating instead of you.
I've been the 'asshole they date instead'. I had a girlfriend who was all sorts of hotter than I am. Worse, she was amply endowed making male reaction to her that much worse. Very sweet, very smiley person but wary sometimes of people which I later attributed to the whole "beauty is a prison" phenomenon.

Anyway, for whatever reason she wanted to go out with me. Like a lot. She had tried to get together with me in high school but it was too much for me. (I have a hard time conceiving of any human being liking me that much, but that's a separate issue, but hats off to the women I have dated. That was a steep hill to climb for really very little reward.)

So she tried again after high school and after my first girlfriend so I was more amiable to what was going on.

She lived east of our high school, I moved west. I was separated from her hometown life. That meant that I would basically float in and out as far as anyone else could tell. A few times I visited her where she was a shift manager at a Round Table Pizza or something to that effect.

When I'd visit there, there was this one dude. Just put out some pretty weird vibes. I didn't think anything of it really at first. But I could tell eventually he was kind of making her uneasy. The way she apologized about him made it clear that he was acting up a bit when I was there.

But the absolute point where I realized this was a 'nice guy' who thought my girlfriend shouldn't be dating an asshole like me was the night she got in a fight with her dad. She called my place (before ubiquitous cell phones...like the one my dad had was attached to his car) telling me she had a fight with her dad and she was upset and at a Denny's and could I come down.

So now, here's what happens from that dude's POV. She is upset, distraught. She's at work, she's crying. He steps up to comfort her because her no account boyfriend is down in the flat lands doing whatever it is he imagined I did. She calls him, for reasons he's not privy to I don't like to drive up that hill especially that time of the year when it's cold and there's Tule fog that's virtually impossible to see in.

But she's fucking crying so what am I gonna do? Not have a great poker face, for one. Obviously I'm going but I think I may have hemmed or hawed. Not been the best from the call.

"See" nice guy thinks, "He doesn't care. He's a jerk. I'm here for her. I'm the one who cares."

While he's sitting there doing the work, here comes asshole in his loud obnoxious bright yellow sports car (a shitty 914 I bought for $900 off the side of the road on impulse that had a myriad of problems you'd imagine a $900 Porsche to have which made me worry I wouldn't make it)

But I did, and I came in fast and loud because he wasn't all wrong, I was kind of a douche when it came to that piece of shit car I miss to this day but seriously, what a heap.

To make the picture worse, I was trying to reconcile my long hair and my new fascination with growing a goatee when they were not particularly common with dealing with the normies to misuse the modern vernacular.

What that entailed is me wearing solid color silk shirts, z cavaricis (if you don't know, don't google it. your life is better off), wingtip shoes, a black suede trenchcoat and a brimmed hat (REVERSAL! The asshole was wearing the 'nice guy' uniform. It hadn't been established yet). Loud car turns off so now you can hear my loud radio (the 914 is also a Volkswagen and the stereo isn't connected to the key). I stride toward the door I see two things:

She jumps up and runs to me. Not entirely odd but I kind of expected her to be more sullen.

The other was dude giving me the biggest fucking stink eye. Which for a moment I thought, "I don't even know this dude, what does he want with me?"

While I settled in and tried to determine if we were staying and I was getting nachos or if we were going somewhere else this dude is quietly throwing himself a pity party and mutters something to the effect of 'I guess I'm not needed' before shuffling off. Reflexively I gave a 'thanks for staying with her' or something to the effect which he chuffed a little at.

But also, she was doing the 'mine' thing. Bless her foolish little heart, she had a bit of a jealousy streak. Not domineering, not 'I can't have woman friends' way (I had a women roommates even) but like...there was a model that went to school with us. We ran into her and the dude she was dating and I knew she was approaching because she clamped my arm like she was checking my blood pressure. She only ever did that when she felt it important to convey she was with me. She didn't have to worry. Not because I'm noble, but because no one else was interested and if they were I was too dim to notice. But she was doing it around this dude.

She vented about her father, and then let me in on what that dude had been like. Seemed nice at first but eventually, especially after we started dating, he just got weirder and weirder and she didn't know why but she was upset because this guy had started to make her uncomfortable.

I saw him a few more times and it became more and more clear what he was being like and it creeped me out. He definitely thought he had earned her fruity pebbles and this guy didn't appreciate her because she had to pursue me (because again, low wattage on reading that people like me.)

And she was more up on what that dude had gotten like and she was sad and creeped out a little and scared.

Man, I gotta say...seeing it from the other side...fuuuuck me it looks weird. Like, those guys are seriously kidding themselves. No part of their behavior once its established they're not getting what they want seems okay. It's not women turning their baseline fear into over reacting, dudes look fucking creepy and weird. I started seeing it in other women friends I had, that one barnacle of a friend...like once you get the scent they just stand out. It did on some level make me so concerned I might look like that with my women friends. I still have that anxiety to this day, worried that my women friends are waiting for the day I'll m'lady them.

Anyway. That's the story from the 'asshole they date instead of you'.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:08 pm

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Queen Yuno wrote:Also this was a Popular Teachers thread from Reddit. I hope this further demonstrates the social contagion and dangers of Male Radicalization on Social Media, it screws with hardworking women



Are there other sources than an odd reddit post by an deleted account that this is becoming a widespread thing?


in 2017, there were 40,000 members of r/incel (before it was shut down). that probably means the number of self-identified incels was much higher, possibly upwards of 400,000. it's impossible to tell for sure.

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Postby Iskanistan » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:11 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
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Are there other sources than an odd reddit post by an deleted account that this is becoming a widespread thing?


in 2017, there were 40,000 members of r/incel (before it was shut down). that probably means the number of self-identified incels was much higher, possibly upwards of 400,000. it's impossible to tell for sure.


Is Andrew Tate even an Incel?

A quick search doesnt seems to suggest so.

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:13 pm

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in 2017, there were 40,000 members of r/incel (before it was shut down). that probably means the number of self-identified incels was much higher, possibly upwards of 400,000. it's impossible to tell for sure.


Is Andrew Tate even an Incel?

A quick search doesnt seems to suggest so.


he appeals to that kind of person.

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Postby Iskanistan » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:19 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Iskanistan wrote:
Is Andrew Tate even an Incel?

A quick search doesnt seems to suggest so.


he appeals to that kind of person.


Are we still talking about Inceldom becomming a mass thing?

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:52 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
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Is Andrew Tate even an Incel?

A quick search doesnt seems to suggest so.


he appeals to that kind of person.

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Postby Bovad » Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:48 pm

Can someone fill me in on what exactly this guy's videos are?
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I hate this guy. Oh, and he has a terrible music career…

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:57 pm

Incel Argentina wrote:As an incel, I can confirm we do NOT asociate with Tate. The redpill crowd is just almost as bad as the bluepill (or, lord forgive me for saying this name, IncelTear's). Do not make us guilty of everything bad that happens to women, if we did the same we would be seen as absolute lunatics by even our redpilled comrades.


There is no such thing as an incel. As Jordan Peterson said, if all the women are rejecting them, it’s not the fault of the women. Incels basically think they have a entitlement to relationships without putting the effort necessary that is required. If they just want sex and no relationship, they can do that but they are just too shallow. They think that they’re entitled to more or less a person that is a nine or ten on the physical attractiveness scale

I blame “everyone gets a trophy“ culture that most incels grew up in and having unfiltered access to hard-core pornography. They’re also can be untreated mental illness, and surrounding themselves in a community that embraces and reinforces the victimhood complex that incels have.
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Postby Forsher » Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:05 pm

Is Andrew Tate even still platformed anywhere?
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

We won't know until 2053 when it'll be really obvious what he should've done. [...] We have no option but to guess.

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