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Solution to the S-C-K confusion?

Leave everything as is. Let us embrace the chaos, the khaos, and the shaos like madmen!
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Remove the letter C. Problem solved, day saved, hands shaked, babies kissed.
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Ditch the ugly K for the beautiful C and drop C's nasty 'S' sound.
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Remove the letter S and have C pick up the slack, drop it's 'K' sound.
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Drop both S and K so that C can use both sounds, like a true sociopath would suggest.
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As an absolute maniac I can only propose that the letter K be given both S and C's duties as the two are exiled to Death Valley.
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Psychopath here. Give S the 'K' sound and get rid of those other two clowns.
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ABOLISH ALL THREE LETTERS FOR MAXIMUM INSANITY
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I don't care what we do so long as we bring back Þorn!
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Total votes : 63

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Postby Hispida » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:40 am

english is a rather tough language. you can learn it through tough thorough thought, though.
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Postby Aethertia » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:42 am

Hispida wrote:english is a rather tough language. you can learn it through tough thorough thought, though.

Wise words.

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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:44 am

Hispida wrote:english is a rather tough language. you can learn it through tough thorough thought, though.


Come to Loughborough University to study it in the heart of Leicestershire.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:44 am

K and S look co muck niser than that horrible C
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:45 am

Forsher wrote:And that I thought Saecar Kalad was a person is exactly why this is like ghoti and therefore nonsense.


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Postby Vistulange » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:50 am

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Nipponkyo wrote:Many Westerners don't appreciate how difficult of a language English really is to learn. It is very chaotic when compared to some other languages. If you grew up speaking English, or a language related to English, count yourself lucky, for the most useful language in the world has come easy to you.


I do. I can speak just enough German for every day life and German has way less nonsense, minus articles. And I know like 100 Spanish words. School really didn't stick.

German has less nonsense, but German is...well, Oscar Wilde put it best, really. German is such a stereotypically German language.
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Postby Utquiagvik » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:52 am

Hispida wrote:english is a rather tough language. you can learn it through tough thorough thought, though.

Even though I’ve spoken English my entire life, that still confused me.
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Postby Vistulange » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:55 am

Utquiagvik wrote:
Hispida wrote:english is a rather tough language. you can learn it through tough thorough thought, though.

Even though I’ve spoken English my entire life, that still confused me.

A friend of mine once referred to English as "a bastard child of German and French, with uncle Latin contributing here and there". It's nothing that can't be fixed through a comprehensive language reform, but at this point, English is spoken in so many different places that it probably won't stick outside of whatever locality does that reform. And, to my knowledge, English language authorities aren't prescriptive, they're descriptive—contrast with French, where the national academy determines what the language ought to be, as opposed to what it is—and suddenly having Oxford dictate what is proper English and what isn't might be clumsy at best.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:03 am

Thing is if you reform a language to make it all consistent and logical and shit, you need a body like the Comédie Académie Française to keep it frozen that way to stop naughty people messing it up again. Languages should be allowed to run free like rewilded wolves.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:09 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Thing is if you reform a language to make it all consistent and logical and shit, you need a body like the Comédie Académie Française to keep it frozen that way to stop naughty people messing it up again. Languages should be allowed to run free like rewilded wolves.


Wolves :o

That puts me in the French camp.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:11 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Thing is if you reform a language to make it all consistent and logical and shit, you need a body like the Comédie Académie Française to keep it frozen that way to stop naughty people messing it up again. Languages should be allowed to run free like rewilded wolves.


Wolves :o

That puts me in the French camp.

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Postby Aethertia » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:12 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Wolves :o

That puts me in the French camp.

Weird how sheepdogs are your friend, yet their cousin the wolf your mortal enemy.

Holy shit that’s a lot of posts.

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Postby Chan Island » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:26 am

English is a thousand year old language experiment mixing in anything and everything around into it, so of course it gets weird things like C and K.

Personally, I'm surprised Q wasn't mentioned, since that is demonstrably a Norman import, and it is yet another letter making the same sound.

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Thing is if you reform a language to make it all consistent and logical and shit, you need a body like the Comédie Académie Française to keep it frozen that way to stop naughty people messing it up again. Languages should be allowed to run free like rewilded wolves.


English has had serious attempts at language reform before, most notably in the 1600s. Each time it's always ended up making the situation more inconsistent, not less. I don't recommend it to try again.
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Postby -Astoria- » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:55 am

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Nipponkyo wrote:Many Westerners don't appreciate how difficult of a language English really is to learn. It is very chaotic when compared to some other languages. If you grew up speaking English, or a language related to English, count yourself lucky, for the most useful language in the world has come easy to you.


I do. I can speak just enough German for every day life and German has way less nonsense, minus articles. And I know like 100 Spanish words. School really didn't stick.

Though there's the issue of all words having a gender, whereas English only has 'the'.

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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:57 am

Nipponkyo wrote:Many Westerners don't appreciate how difficult of a language English really is to learn. It is very chaotic when compared to some other languages. If you grew up speaking English, or a language related to English, count yourself lucky, for the most useful language in the world has come easy to you.
Hard no. English is complicated and crazy. No doubt. But there are other languages that make English look easy!

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Postby Vistulange » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:04 am

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Nipponkyo wrote:Many Westerners don't appreciate how difficult of a language English really is to learn. It is very chaotic when compared to some other languages. If you grew up speaking English, or a language related to English, count yourself lucky, for the most useful language in the world has come easy to you.
Hard no. English is complicated and crazy. No doubt. But there are other languages that make English look easy!

Particularly when you're used to a certain way of grammar, morphology, and writing. The only thing that made Hebrew (Modern, not Biblical) relatively easy for me to learn was its (relative) simple grammar. Otherwise, an abjad makes things more challenging when approaching it from a Western perspective.

And then there's Japanese and Chinese. I shudder to think the agonies I would go through trying to learn symbols/hieroglyphs for words.
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Postby Nipponkyo » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:54 am

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Nipponkyo wrote:Many Westerners don't appreciate how difficult of a language English really is to learn. It is very chaotic when compared to some other languages. If you grew up speaking English, or a language related to English, count yourself lucky, for the most useful language in the world has come easy to you.
Hard no. English is complicated and crazy. No doubt. But there are other languages that make English look easy!


That may be easy for you to say.

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Postby Sordhau » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:56 am

Nipponkyo wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:Hard no. English is complicated and crazy. No doubt. But there are other languages that make English look easy!


That may be easy for you to say.


IIRC Mandarin has been consistently ranked as the most difficult language to learn.
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Postby Nipponkyo » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:59 am

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Nipponkyo wrote:
That may be easy for you to say.


IIRC Mandarin has been consistently ranked as the most difficult language to learn.


By whom?

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Nipponkyo wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
IIRC Mandarin has been consistently ranked as the most difficult language to learn.


By whom?


Everyone.
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Postby Nipponkyo » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:03 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Nipponkyo wrote:
By whom?


Everyone.


Everyone where? Have a source?
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:10 pm

Nipponkyo wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Everyone.


Everyone where? Have a source?


Google "what is the hardest language to learn" and you will quite literally have pages upon pages upon pages of linguists, language programs, teachers of the language, speakers of the language, pollsters, etc. saying it's one of the hardest languages to learn alongside Arabic, Hindi, Japanese, and Finnish.
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Postby Hispida » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:14 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Nipponkyo wrote:
Everyone where? Have a source?


Google "what is the hardest language to learn" and you will quite literally have pages upon pages upon pages of linguists, language programs, teachers of the language, speakers of the language, pollsters, etc. saying it's one of the hardest languages to learn alongside Arabic, Hindi, Japanese, and Finnish.

finnish isn't hard at all lol, it's just "perkele" with different pronunciations
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Postby Nipponkyo » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:16 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Nipponkyo wrote:
Everyone where? Have a source?


Google "what is the hardest language to learn" and you will quite literally have pages upon pages upon pages of linguists, language programs, teachers of the language, speakers of the language, pollsters, etc. saying it's one of the hardest languages to learn alongside Arabic, Hindi, Japanese, and Finnish.


And what is the native language of these survey samples? What are the credentials of these people writing these things?

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Postby Vistulange » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:16 pm

Hispida wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Google "what is the hardest language to learn" and you will quite literally have pages upon pages upon pages of linguists, language programs, teachers of the language, speakers of the language, pollsters, etc. saying it's one of the hardest languages to learn alongside Arabic, Hindi, Japanese, and Finnish.

finnish isn't hard at all lol, it's just "perkele" with different pronunciations

You joke, but as a native Turkish speaker, the syntax and grammar of Hungarian and Finnish seem fairly straightforward to me.
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