by Jewish Underground State » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:43 am
by Based Illinois » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:48 am
by Jewish Underground State » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:50 am
Based Illinois wrote:It's the cooler more honest version of liberalism.
Liberalism wants self-actualization, like egosim, but tries to pussyfoot around things like morals and " Good/Evil ".
When Egoists talk about freedom and individualism, they mean it, no *astericks, nothing. That's kind of respectable.
Still, an evil satanic ideology.
by Arisyan » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:51 am
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by Terra-Novan Federation » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:53 am
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by Untecna » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:54 am
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by BEEstreetz » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:29 am
Sordhau wrote:Cancer, like all individualist ideologies.
Terra-Novan Federation wrote:It's a stupid ideology that only an edgy 16 y/o would adhere to.
Untecna wrote:Who in a sane mind would want this?
Arisyan wrote:Anarcho-capitalism if it was founded by a racist. Those are my thoughts.
by Sordhau » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:34 am
BEEstreetz wrote:Sordhau wrote:Cancer, like all individualist ideologies.Terra-Novan Federation wrote:It's a stupid ideology that only an edgy 16 y/o would adhere to.Untecna wrote:Who in a sane mind would want this?Arisyan wrote:Anarcho-capitalism if it was founded by a racist. Those are my thoughts.
Egoism is based and those criticizing it clearly have absolutely 0 idea about Johann Caspar Schmidt, his transformation into Max Stirner and have either not read or aren't... mature enough to read his essays, especially the main work.
1. Yeah because being among the Young Hegelians, Johann definitely didn't take the individualist stance with collectivism in mind.
2. I can imagine you in RL being what you've described.
3. Me.
4. A racist? (。_。) ...Once again JUG you seem to attract the...most confident but primary-school educated kind of people to these, somehow.
by Arisyan » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:42 am
BEEstreetz wrote:Sordhau wrote:Cancer, like all individualist ideologies.Terra-Novan Federation wrote:It's a stupid ideology that only an edgy 16 y/o would adhere to.Untecna wrote:Who in a sane mind would want this?Arisyan wrote:Anarcho-capitalism if it was founded by a racist. Those are my thoughts.
Egoism is based and those criticizing it clearly have absolutely 0 idea about Johann Caspar Schmidt, his transformation into Max Stirner and have either not read or aren't... mature enough to read his essays, especially the main work.
1. Yeah because being among the Young Hegelians, Johann definitely didn't take the individualist stance with collectivism in mind.
2. I can imagine you in RL being what you've described.
3. Me.
4. A racist? (。_。) ...Once again JUG you seem to attract the...most confident but primary-school educated kind of people to these, somehow.
by Forever Indomitable » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:44 am
Forever Indomitable wrote:Egoism is the status quo. For example, we help others because altruism helps us survive and perpetuate our genes and thus all actions are inherently self interested. Ever heard someone say "I love helping people".? They help others because it makes dopamine in their brain fire. It makes them feel good. All political and economic theory is for maximizing one's own comfort.
by Sordhau » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:50 am
Forever Indomitable wrote:Forever Indomitable wrote:Egoism is the status quo. For example, we help others because altruism helps us survive and perpetuate our genes and thus all actions are inherently self interested. Ever heard someone say "I love helping people".? They help others because it makes dopamine in their brain fire. It makes them feel good. All political and economic theory is for maximizing one's own comfort.
I'll just requote this. All actions are inherently selfish. Prove me wrong.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:50 am
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:52 am
BEEstreetz wrote:Sordhau wrote:Cancer, like all individualist ideologies.Terra-Novan Federation wrote:It's a stupid ideology that only an edgy 16 y/o would adhere to.Untecna wrote:Who in a sane mind would want this?Arisyan wrote:Anarcho-capitalism if it was founded by a racist. Those are my thoughts.
Egoism is based and those criticizing it clearly have absolutely 0 idea about Johann Caspar Schmidt, his transformation into Max Stirner and have either not read or aren't... mature enough to read his essays, especially the main work.
1. Yeah because being among the Young Hegelians, Johann definitely didn't take the individualist stance with collectivism in mind.
2. I can imagine you in RL being what you've described.
3. Me.
4. A racist? (。_。) ...Once again JUG you seem to attract the...most confident but primary-school educated kind of people to these, somehow.
by Sordhau » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:56 am
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:BEEstreetz wrote:
Egoism is based and those criticizing it clearly have absolutely 0 idea about Johann Caspar Schmidt, his transformation into Max Stirner and have either not read or aren't... mature enough to read his essays, especially the main work.
1. Yeah because being among the Young Hegelians, Johann definitely didn't take the individualist stance with collectivism in mind.
2. I can imagine you in RL being what you've described.
3. Me.
4. A racist? (。_。) ...Once again JUG you seem to attract the...most confident but primary-school educated kind of people to these, somehow.
how about instead of saying “people who disagree are dumb”, you actually support your opinion with logical arguments?
by Terra-Novan Federation » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:58 am
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by Forever Indomitable » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:58 am
Sordhau wrote:Forever Indomitable wrote:I'll just requote this. All actions are inherently selfish. Prove me wrong.
Communist guerillas have used suicide tactics my dude. "We have nothing to lose but our chains" isn't just a catchy slogan, it's a realization of how worthless a proletarian is according to Capitalism. To suggest all political and economic theory is about "maximizing one's own comfort" is so profoundly idiotic that I don't even know how you came to such a conclusion in the first place. Most social, economic, and political theory was devised by people who were already living comfortable lives.
by Forever Indomitable » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:00 am
Sordhau wrote:The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
how about instead of saying “people who disagree are dumb”, you actually support your opinion with logical arguments?
That would require logical arguments for the defense of selfishness, for which there are none because selfish people didn't build civilization.
by Sordhau » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:10 am
Forever Indomitable wrote:Sordhau wrote:
Communist guerillas have used suicide tactics my dude. "We have nothing to lose but our chains" isn't just a catchy slogan, it's a realization of how worthless a proletarian is according to Capitalism. To suggest all political and economic theory is about "maximizing one's own comfort" is so profoundly idiotic that I don't even know how you came to such a conclusion in the first place. Most social, economic, and political theory was devised by people who were already living comfortable lives.
Sacrifice is part of their ego. They have an ideal, their ideal and they are willing to give their life (which satisfies their ego) so that their ideal is victorious over other ideals. Also, self sacrifice is still an evolutionary mechanism to our benefit. These resources should help you and any other sceptics:
https://www.psychmechanics.com/self-sac ... wn%20genes.
https://www.britannica.com/science/Hamiltons-rule
Lol, yes they do. Who do you think organized the 1st collectives and set them against each other to conquer and form bigger ones that became civilizations?
by BEEstreetz » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:25 am
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:how about instead of saying “people who disagree are dumb”, you actually support your opinion with logical arguments?
by Forever Indomitable » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:31 am
Sordhau wrote:Forever Indomitable wrote:Sacrifice is part of their ego. They have an ideal, their ideal and they are willing to give their life (which satisfies their ego) so that their ideal is victorious over other ideals. Also, self sacrifice is still an evolutionary mechanism to our benefit. These resources should help you and any other sceptics:
https://www.psychmechanics.com/self-sac ... wn%20genes.
https://www.britannica.com/science/Hamiltons-rule
"Killing yourself benefits you." is just about the dumbest fucking take I've heard yet, and I've heard quite a lot of dumbass takes in my time.Lol, yes they do. Who do you think organized the 1st collectives and set them against each other to conquer and form bigger ones that became civilizations?
No one, because that's not what happened. Humans collectively realized that there were better chances of survival through cooperation and so formed communities to help each other survive. It's been well-established that even prehistoric nomadic hunter-gatherers from the Stone Age cared for the sick and elderly. Selflessness, not selfishness, built human civilization and it's the only reason anything is accomplished. Cooperation, trust, and most importantly: empathy.
The lone wolf starves.
"Killing yourself benefits you." is just about the dumbest fucking take I've heard yet, and I've heard quite a lot of dumbass takes in my time.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:34 am
Forever Indomitable wrote:Sordhau wrote:
"Killing yourself benefits you." is just about the dumbest fucking take I've heard yet, and I've heard quite a lot of dumbass takes in my time.
No one, because that's not what happened. Humans collectively realized that there were better chances of survival through cooperation and so formed communities to help each other survive. It's been well-established that even prehistoric nomadic hunter-gatherers from the Stone Age cared for the sick and elderly. Selflessness, not selfishness, built human civilization and it's the only reason anything is accomplished. Cooperation, trust, and most importantly: empathy.
The lone wolf starves."Killing yourself benefits you." is just about the dumbest fucking take I've heard yet, and I've heard quite a lot of dumbass takes in my time.
Sorry, but this isn't an argument, give a real one or concede. I have given you material from which your counterpoint should be based on.
Yes, humans do cooperate, which does not exclude competition. All of our civilizations have been the result of conquest and kingship - the application of violence and control to the benefit of the ruling class. Selfishness and collectivism are synergistic; all it comes down to is striking the right balance.
Every political idea starts from the place of I want:
I want social justice.
I want free markets.
I want the sharing of resources.
I want people to follow the true God.
All desire starts at "I", the self and so every action undertaken in that desire is the expression of the self. Egoism isn't an ideology. It's how humans biologically operate.
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