American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[San Lumen]

If we didn't have the electoral college they would.

thank goodness for that. imagine being governed entirely by coastal america

Thank you for admitting you only like the electoral college because it benefits Republicans. Would you think it was fair or democratic if there was a system where in order to be victorious for statewide office you had to win a majority of counties or state legislative districts?

[Necroghastia]

If we didn't have the electoral college they would.

thank goodness for that. imagine being governed entirely by coastal america

[American Legionaries]

If we didn't have the electoral college they would.

thank goodness for that. imagine being governed entirely by coastal america

It's pretty awful, ngl...

[Finalis]

thank goodness for that. imagine being governed entirely by coastal america

Thank you for admitting you only like the electoral college because it benefits Republicans. Would you think it was fair or democratic if there was a system where in order to be victorious for statewide office you had to win a majority of counties or state legislative districts?

well if you guys hadn't totally abandoned rural america and the midwest then it would be benefiting you. sounds like your party has done a shit job being politicking.

[San Lumen]

thank goodness for that. imagine being governed entirely by coastal america

It's pretty awful, ngl...

Yeah how awful the coast of your state decides statewide elections. If only there was a system for statewide elections where the rural less populous counties could overrule them and you win every time.

[San Lumen]

Thank you for admitting you only like the electoral college because it benefits Republicans. Would you think it was fair or democratic if there was a system where in order to be victorious for statewide office you had to win a majority of counties or state legislative districts?

well if you guys hadn't totally abandoned rural america and the midwest then it would be benefiting you. sounds like your party has done a shit job being politicking.

No party should benefit from an unfair undemocratic system.

You didn't;t answer my question.

[Finalis]

thank goodness for that. imagine being governed entirely by coastal america

tried looking for this in la but all i got was this

[Finalis]

well if you guys hadn't totally abandoned rural america and the midwest then it would be benefiting you. sounds like your party has done a shit job being politicking.

No party should benefit from an unfair undemocratic system.

too bad. if the alternative is coastal domination then i'll happily take less democracy

You didn't;t answer my question.

1. yes i did
2. don't care

[Valrifall]

thank goodness for that. imagine being governed entirely by coastal america

It's pretty awful, ngl...

Why do people never understand that the coastal states - and even indeed the top 20+ cities - are not enough to win a popular vote? It's just baseless.

[American Legionaries]

It's pretty awful, ngl...

Yeah how awful the coast of your state decides statewide elections. If only there was a system for statewide elections where the rural less populous counties could overrule them and you win every time.

If only...

[The Alma Mater]

It's pretty awful, ngl...

Why do people never understand that the coastal states - and even indeed the top 20+ cities - are not enough to win a popular vote? It's just baseless.

For some reason people believe that cities and states are hiveminds where everyone votes exactly the same; despite the fact that there were more Trumpvoters in California than in Texas, more Biden voters in Texas than NY etc.

[Finalis]

It's pretty awful, ngl...

Why do people never understand that the coastal states - and even indeed the top 20+ cities - are not enough to win a popular vote? It's just baseless.

inaccurate. a majority of the population never actually votes.

[San Lumen]

No party should benefit from an unfair undemocratic system.

too bad. if the alternative is coastal domination then i'll happily take less democracy

You didn't;t answer my question.

1. yes i did
2. don't care

Democracy doesn't;t mean only you have a right to govern via an unfair system.

no you did not.

would it be fair to you if the Republican won this election despite losing the popular vote by ten points because they won more land area? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Mich ... l_election

[Valrifall]

Why do people never understand that the coastal states - and even indeed the top 20+ cities - are not enough to win a popular vote? It's just baseless.

inaccurate. a majority of the population never actually votes.

Yeah so the cities' population gap would matter even less than I said.

[Untecna]

Your reminder that if a party can't win election without an outdated system which was only kept to benefit the bad of history, then that party needs to make policy changes, not try and push to keep the system.

[Finalis]

too bad. if the alternative is coastal domination then i'll happily take less democracy


1. yes i did
2. don't care

Democracy doesn't;t mean only you have a right to govern via an unfair system.

don't care

no you did not.

don't care.

would it be fair to you if the Republican won this election despite losing the popular vote by ten points because they won more land area? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Mich ... l_election

yes

[Sordhau]

Thank you for admitting you only like the electoral college because it benefits Republicans. Would you think it was fair or democratic if there was a system where in order to be victorious for statewide office you had to win a majority of counties or state legislative districts?

well if you guys hadn't totally abandoned rural america and the midwest then it would be benefiting you. sounds like your party has done a shit job being politicking.

Not really. More like they saw the trends and jumped the gun a little early in order to benefit the most from them. The Industrial Revolution marked the beginning of a shift of power away from the rural countryside and toward the major urban centers. The more we advance technologically the further this shift is taken. The need for vast, fertile farmlands is gradually diminishing and as a consequence cities are becoming more important. We haven't quite reached the point where rurality itself has become obsolete but the trend is inevitable and Dems had the foresight to try and take advantage of it first and gain a monopoly. This is why the GOP is shrinking with the rest of rural America and will likely become defunct before the end of the century and why if the EC didn't exist they wouldn't be able to hold power at all without radically changing their policy stances to appeal to urbanites, the overwhelming majority of whom vote Dem, because the focus of power would be on cities and not states.

[Finalis]

inaccurate. a majority of the population never actually votes.

Yeah so the cities' population gap would matter even less than I said.

not really. the gap goes both ways.

[Valrifall]

Yeah so the cities' population gap would matter even less than I said.

not really. the gap goes both ways.

Great so it's an irrelevant point and either way my original point stands.

[American Legionaries]

inaccurate. a majority of the population never actually votes.

Yeah so the cities' population gap would matter even less than I said.

The population of the cities is irrelevant, what matters are the vote totals.

[Finalis]

well if you guys hadn't totally abandoned rural america and the midwest then it would be benefiting you. sounds like your party has done a shit job being politicking.

Not really. More like they saw the trends and jumped the gun a little early in order to benefit the most from them. The Industrial Revolution marked the beginning of a shift of power away from the rural countryside and toward the major urban centers. The more we advance technologically the further this shift is taken. The need for vast, fertile farmlands is gradually diminishing and as a consequence cities are becoming more important. We haven't quite reached the point where rurality itself has become obsolete but the trend is inevitable and Dems had the foresight to try and take advantage of it first and gain a monopoly. This is why the GOP is shrinking with the rest of rural America and will likely become defunct before the end of the century and why if the EC didn't exist they wouldn't be able to hold power at all without radically changing their policy stances to appeal to urbanites, the overwhelming majority of whom vote Dem, because the focus of power would be on cities and not states.

ah yes, the inevitable future where cities don't eat

[Finalis]

not really. the gap goes both ways.

Great so it's an irrelevant point and either way my original point stands.

no, because the cities still have a lot more potential voters. also typically with either access to voting locations

[San Lumen]

Democracy doesn't;t mean only you have a right to govern via an unfair system.

don't care

no you did not.

don't care.

would it be fair to you if the Republican won this election despite losing the popular vote by ten points because they won more land area? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Mich ... l_election

yes

How is that fair or Democratic?

So in other words a Republican would always win statewide office in Nevada despite only winning counties that make up about ten percent of the state. How could they claim to be representing everyone when only a small minority elected them?

[Finalis]

don't care


don't care.


yes

How is that fair or Democratic?

don't know and don't care.

So in other words a Republican would always win statewide office in Nevada despite only winning counties that make up about ten percent of the state. How could they claim to be representing everyone when only a small minority elected them?

american politicians are good spin doctors. they managed to convince you that a law that was never intended to reduce inflation would reduce inflation simply by naming it the inflation reduction act.

[American Legionaries]

don't care


don't care.


yes

How is that fair or Democratic?

So in other words a Republican would always win statewide office in Nevada despite only winning counties that make up about ten percent of the state. How could they claim to be representing everyone when only a small minority elected them?

Who said anything about "democratic". And why would I want democratic anyhow, this whole conversation is predicated on the fact that the last two times my party won the presidency, it would have been different if only we were more democratic.