American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Umeria]

Proof that we need a third party for moderates: two senators who aren't even famous exceptions to party line voting (cause comparing Manchin and Collins would just look like exceptions) voted with each other a majority of the time this term.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/H001076-margaret-hassan/compare-votes/G000359-lindsey-graham/117

Yes we need a pro universal healthcare pro union anti war party

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Proof that we need a third party for moderates: two senators who aren't even famous exceptions to party line voting (cause comparing Manchin and Collins would just look like exceptions) voted with each other a majority of the time this term.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/H001076-margaret-hassan/compare-votes/G000359-lindsey-graham/117

Yes we need a pro universal healthcare pro union anti war party

what's anti-war anyway
is it giving PRC and Russia everything they want in the hopes that they won't eat you?

[Celritannia]

Proof that we need a third party for moderates: two senators who aren't even famous exceptions to party line voting (cause comparing Manchin and Collins would just look like exceptions) voted with each other a majority of the time this term.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/H001076-margaret-hassan/compare-votes/G000359-lindsey-graham/117

Yes we need a pro universal healthcare pro union anti war party

It was at that moment, that the last great Republican President was called forth for his last duty from the heavens. Emerging from the clouds, a shining orb descended through the rotunda of Congress and as it came to a simmering halt, a cry echoed through those sacred halls...

"BULLY!"

[Tarsonis]

If the people of Georgia elect this idiot to the Senate they deserve him.

It's ignorant statements like this that leave people not taking New England and west coast Democrats seriously. You make statements like this, writing off whole red states and everybody in them, without knowing the political challenges those of us who live in such states face. We live in states that are gerrymandered and have countless other voting obstacles and roadblocks put in place by Republican legislatures so that we quite literally cannot elect Democratic legislatures. But none of that matters to folks like you, our states are red so we "deserve" the suffering we live through. You make me sick.

San's neither, he's from NYC

[Kannap]

It's ignorant statements like this that leave people not taking New England and west coast Democrats seriously. You make statements like this, writing off whole red states and everybody in them, without knowing the political challenges those of us who live in such states face. We live in states that are gerrymandered and have countless other voting obstacles and roadblocks put in place by Republican legislatures so that we quite literally cannot elect Democratic legislatures. But none of that matters to folks like you, our states are red so we "deserve" the suffering we live through. You make me sick.

San's neither, he's from NYC

For all intents and purposes, New York and New Jersey are New England. If only by name and not geographic location

[Celritannia]

Ousted Republican reflects on Trump, democracy and America: ‘The place has lost its mind’

[Umeria]

Yes we need a pro universal healthcare pro union anti war party

what's anti-war anyway
is it giving PRC and Russia everything they want in the hopes that they won't eat you?

No, it means not starting wars. And ending the wars you started. Pretty simple

[Rusozak]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/22/walker-georgia-senate/

Walker, criticizing climate law, asks: ‘Don’t we have enough trees around here?’

If the people of Georgia elect this idiot to the Senate they deserve him.

I suppose we all collectively deserved Trump then, because we collectively elected him once.

[Tarsonis]

San's neither, he's from NYC

For all intents and purposes, New York and New Jersey are New England. If only by name and not geographic location

How dare you

[Yerachmeal]

Proof that we need a third party for moderates: two senators who aren't even famous exceptions to party line voting (cause comparing Manchin and Collins would just look like exceptions) voted with each other a majority of the time this term.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/H001076-margaret-hassan/compare-votes/G000359-lindsey-graham/117

Yes we need a pro universal healthcare pro union anti war party

Why not? Though a better name for the party would be the "Realist Party."

[Tarsonis]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/22/walker-georgia-senate/

Walker, criticizing climate law, asks: ‘Don’t we have enough trees around here?’

If the people of Georgia elect this idiot to the Senate they deserve him.

I suppose we all collectively deserved Trump then, because we collectively elected him once.

technically we collectively didn't vote for anyone and he won as a result.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Rockefeller Republicans > Trump Republicans

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

Rockefeller Republicans > Trump Republicans

Hey, at least Rockefeller’s wouldn’t be as discriminatory!

[The Jamesian Republic]

Rockefeller Republicans > Trump Republicans

Hey, at least Rockefeller’s wouldn’t be as discriminatory!

I wouldn’t mind a new Eisenhower but I think he would be too different for Republicans.

[Celritannia]

Hey, at least Rockefeller’s wouldn’t be as discriminatory!

I wouldn’t mind a new Eisenhower but I think he would be too different for Republicans.

I would gladly see Nixon be forgiven by everyone just to have better Republicans.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I wouldn’t mind a new Eisenhower but I think he would be too different for Republicans.

I would gladly see Nixon be forgiven by everyone just to have better Republicans.

Rockefeller should have been the 1968 nominee and won with George Romney as the VP. I think he was more liberal leaning than his son Mitt.

[Eahland]

San's neither, he's from NYC

For all intents and purposes, New York and New Jersey are New England. If only by name and not geographic location

We won't take them.

[American Legionaries]

For all intents and purposes, New York and New Jersey are New England. If only by name and not geographic location

How dare you

Tars, please... tell me where "York" is...

[Ngelmish]

If the people of Georgia elect this idiot to the Senate they deserve him.

It's ignorant statements like this that leave people not taking NY/NJ, New England, and west coast Democrats seriously. You make statements like this, writing off whole red states and everybody in them, without knowing the political challenges those of us who live in such states face. We live in states that are gerrymandered and have countless other voting obstacles and roadblocks put in place by Republican legislatures so that we quite literally cannot elect Democratic legislatures. But none of that matters to folks like you, our states are red so we "deserve" the suffering we live through. You make me sick.

It's not entirely incorrect to point out that voters who, in any given intraparty contest, gravitate towards the most unhinged, sociopathic, or ignorant candidate who demonstrate these traits in public are part of the problem, however.

Not carrying a particular brief for Lumen; as is so often the case, his comment lacked nuance let alone subtlety, but he's not wrong, completely.

[Ulajhan]

Rockefeller Republicans > Trump Republicans

If they were so great then where are they?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Rockefeller Republicans > Trump Republicans

If they were so great then where are they?

Reagan… cursed be his name.

The nomination and presidency of Ronald Wilson Reagan and it’s consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

[Cannot think of a name]

Proof that we need a third party for moderates: two senators who aren't even famous exceptions to party line voting (cause comparing Manchin and Collins would just look like exceptions) voted with each other a majority of the time this term.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/H001076-margaret-hassan/compare-votes/G000359-lindsey-graham/117

This actually is a fine example of why that kind of stat without context is completely meaningless.

First of all "majority of the time" is technically correct in that 55% is a majority. It is not however the kind of margin that comes to mind when someone says 'majority.'

Second, when you're looking at the actual votes where they agreed...they weren't close. Which is to say that neither of them could have been the rare instance of someone crossing party lines. Like on Senate Vote 277, they were both part of the 90 people who voted the same way as opposed to the 7 that voted the other way. Some of them are appointments. Without the context you want us to believe it means one things but when you dig into it you find that there is just a whole bunch of procedural crap that the senate votes on or things that the body by and large votes on, apparently about half of the time.

[Finalis]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/22/walker-georgia-senate/

Walker, criticizing climate law, asks: ‘Don’t we have enough trees around here?’

If the people of Georgia elect this idiot to the Senate they deserve him.

weird how it just gets called a climate law now. people aren't even trying to pretend it has anything to do with inflation anymore lol

keep in mind the bill was named "the inflation reduction act"

[Lile Ulie Islands]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/22/walker-georgia-senate/

Walker, criticizing climate law, asks: ‘Don’t we have enough trees around here?’

If the people of Georgia elect this idiot to the Senate they deserve him.

If there was a mental test for political candidates in order to run for the US Senate, Herschel Walker would not be the Republican nominee for Senate in Georgia. Period.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

It's ignorant statements like this that leave people not taking NY/NJ, New England, and west coast Democrats seriously. You make statements like this, writing off whole red states and everybody in them, without knowing the political challenges those of us who live in such states face. We live in states that are gerrymandered and have countless other voting obstacles and roadblocks put in place by Republican legislatures so that we quite literally cannot elect Democratic legislatures. But none of that matters to folks like you, our states are red so we "deserve" the suffering we live through. You make me sick.

It's not entirely incorrect to point out that voters who, in any given intraparty contest, gravitate towards the most unhinged, sociopathic, or ignorant candidate who demonstrate these traits in public are part of the problem, however.

Not carrying a particular brief for Lumen; as is so often the case, his comment lacked nuance let alone subtlety, but he's not wrong, completely.

What the claim that Republicans are more or less sociopaths, will pander to stay in office, and believe in inequalities and often reinforce them?

• In that assessment: Lumen is beyond correct!