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Who do you think will win come November?

Republicans in Both Houses
41
30%
Republican House, Democratic Senate
57
42%
Democratic House, Republican Senate
12
9%
Democrats in Both Houses
26
19%
 
Total votes : 136

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:56 am

Gravlen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I mean, opposing a president's policy positions generally makes you an opponent, that's pretty obvious.

"Lie about Covid" was not the winning policy position Trump thought it would be. How strange...


No, but it was his position

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Postby Yerachmeal » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:59 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Kim Il-Sung has been King of Korea since 1949 so clearly he's doing something right

I don't get the sarcasm, that's clearly true. That doesn't mean he made the right choices, but golding on o his post so long means that he did something right as a leader.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:01 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:He's been president for 18 years (though admitedly not at once). You have to be at least somewhat good at getting respect to garner enough support for that.

Kim Il-Sung has been King of Korea since 1949 so clearly he's doing something right

I really don't know a lot about him, but staying king isn't as impressive as staying president.
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Postby Kazak Yeli » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:01 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Kim Il-Sung has been King of Korea since 1949 so clearly he's doing something right

I don't get the sarcasm, that's clearly true. That doesn't mean he made the right choices, but golding on o his post so long means that he did something right as a leader.

He is dead, of course it isn't true. It isn't even true for the entire Kim family dynasty.

Again, an example of a good leader who was in power for a long time is Nazarbayev.
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Trump’s Position on Covid: Yikes!

Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:03 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Gravlen wrote:"Lie about Covid" was not the winning policy position Trump thought it would be. How strange...
No, but it was his position
He’s (AL’s) not wrong.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:04 am

Kazak Yeli wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:I don't get the sarcasm, that's clearly true. That doesn't mean he made the right choices, but golding on o his post so long means that he did something right as a leader.

He is dead, of course it isn't true. It isn't even true for the entire Kim family dynasty.

Again, an example of a good leader who was in power for a long time is Nazarbayev.

I know he's dead, but he stayed in charge for a while, as I said, it's not as impressive for a king, but he ruled for almost half a century so he obviously did something right.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:06 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:How did that make him an opponent; moreover, how did that make him a liar?


I mean, opposing a president's policy positions generally makes you an opponent, that's pretty obvious.

What of trying to help a president's people live?
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:06 am

The Judge deciding how much of the Trump Mar-a-Lago search affidavit indicates he may not unseal much, if any, of the affidavit, saying that the possible redactions would be so many that it would make releasing it "meaningless". He also reaffirmed that he remains confident in his decision to sign off on the search warrant and agreed that releasing it unredacted at least would create a road map, compromise the investigation, and lead to further attacks on law enforcement, saying this:

Reinhart also said in Monday's order that he remains confident in his decision to authorize the search warrant, having found "probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found" at Mar-a-Lago, including obstructing an investigation.

"Having carefully reviewed the Affidavit before signing the Warrant, I was — and am — satisfied that the facts sworn by the affiant are reliable," Reinhart wrote.

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Reinhart's written order on Monday followed a hearing last week in which he gave the government until Thursday to propose redactions if the search warrant affidavit were to go public. Reinhart wrote that he agreed with the government that releasing the affidavit would provide a roadmap to the investigation, could chill cooperation from future witnesses, and could endanger investigators.

“As the Government aptly noted at the hearing, these concerns are not hypothetical in this case,” he wrote, noting that “there have been increased threats against FBI personnel since the search."

“After the public release of an unredacted copy of the [inventory of the search], FBI agents involved in this investigation were threatened and harassed," Reinhart wrote. "Given the public notoriety and controversy about this search, it is likely that even witnesses who are not expressly named in the Affidavit would be quickly and broadly identified over social media and other communication channels, which could lead to them being harassed and intimidated.”


He still may release if the redactions are satisfactory but this affidavit is likely a gold mine. While we would learn some new things, I suspect most of it would be redacted and thus not valuable.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:06 am

Necroghastia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I mean, opposing a president's policy positions generally makes you an opponent, that's pretty obvious.

What of trying to help a president's people live?


What of it?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:07 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:He is dead, of course it isn't true. It isn't even true for the entire Kim family dynasty.

Again, an example of a good leader who was in power for a long time is Nazarbayev.

I know he's dead, but he stayed in charge for a while, as I said, it's not as impressive for a king, but he ruled for almost half a century so he obviously did something right.

I see you are not familiar with the concept of "Eternal President of the Republic"

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Central Asian Politics: A Confusing Question?

Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:12 am

Kazak Yeli wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:I don't get the sarcasm, that's clearly true. That doesn't mean he made the right choices, but golding on o his post so long means that he did something right as a leader.
He is dead, of course it isn't true. It isn't even true for the entire Kim family dynasty. Again, an example of a good leader who was in power for a long time is Nazarbayev.
Kazakhstan. Not Turkmenistan. Right?

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Postby Yerachmeal » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:12 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:He is dead, of course it isn't true. It isn't even true for the entire Kim family dynasty.

I know he's dead, but he stayed in charge for a while, as I said, it's not as impressive for a king, but he ruled for almost half a century so he obviously did something right.

I see you are not familiar with the concept of "Eternal President of the Republic"

That was after he died in 1994. I mean while he was alive!
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Postby Kazak Yeli » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:18 am

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:He is dead, of course it isn't true. It isn't even true for the entire Kim family dynasty. Again, an example of a good leader who was in power for a long time is Nazarbayev.
Kazakhstan. Not Turkmenistan. Right?

Kazakhstan. Nursultan Nazarbayev was the Kazakh President.
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Postby Lile Ulie Islands » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:30 am

Can we flip all five? What do you think?

https://twitter.com/CheriBeasleyNC/stat ... 2887879681

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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:31 am

Yerachmeal wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:He is dead, of course it isn't true. It isn't even true for the entire Kim family dynasty.

Again, an example of a good leader who was in power for a long time is Nazarbayev.
I know he's dead, but he stayed in charge for a while, as I said, it's not as impressive for a king, but he ruled for almost half a century so he obviously did something right.
Quite a lot, including corruption and torture!
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:55 am

Kazak Yeli wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So why was Trump so mad at his existence?

Because Trump was opposed to Fauci's lies.


I'm beginning to think Trump's foreign supporters only back him because he was hastening America's decline into a fallen state.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:05 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:Because Trump was opposed to Fauci's lies.


I'm beginning to think Trump's foreign supporters only back him because he was hastening America's decline into a fallen state.

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:07 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:Because Trump was opposed to Fauci's lies.


I'm beginning to think Trump's foreign supporters only back him because he was hastening America's decline into a fallen state.


I highly doubt it was altruism for the American people, but support is support.
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American Exceptionalism: Final Calling Card!

Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:10 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Kazak Yeli wrote:Because Trump was opposed to Fauci's lies.
I'm beginning to think Trump's foreign supporters only back him because he was hastening America's decline into a fallen state.
China certainly agrees!

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Postby Kazak Yeli » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:28 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:I know he's dead, but he stayed in charge for a while, as I said, it's not as impressive for a king, but he ruled for almost half a century so he obviously did something right.
Quite a lot, including corruption and torture!

I don't care about his human rights record, he was a great leader and is remembered as such.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:35 pm

Kazak Yeli wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:Quite a lot, including corruption and torture!

I don't care about his human rights record, he was a great leader and is remembered as such.

The economy has dropped by 4% of GDP and wages have been declining since 2013. He also made more of his neighbors join NATO and reveal that the Russian army is completely garbage. He's the opposite of a great leader.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:48 pm

Lile Ulie Islands wrote:Can we flip all five? What do you think?

https://twitter.com/CheriBeasleyNC/stat ... 2887879681


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Postby Yerachmeal » Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:06 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:

I know he's dead, but he stayed in charge for a while, as I said, it's not as impressive for a king, but he ruled for almost half a century so he obviously did something right.
Quite a lot, including corruption and torture![/quote]
No one's defending him from the charges of being tyrannical! I'm just saying that he was successful at leading his country, and therefore putting my biases aside from how good he was for his country, or how corrupt he was, he was clearly good at leading.
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Authoritarianism / Leadership: A Delicate Balance?

Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:48 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:Quite a lot, including corruption and torture!
No one's defending him from the charges of being tyrannical! I'm just saying that he was successful at leading his country, and therefore putting my biases aside from how good he was for his country, or how corrupt he was, he was clearly good at leading.
Well... authoritarians are good at that.Especially with no opposition.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:53 pm

So, about those lies Fauci is supposed to have told…
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