American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Prima Scriptura]

The best way to decrease illegal immigration is to stop fueling the drug war.

that's a big part of it

While I don’t support the drug war, but I also don’t support things like “self-injection” sites.

[Tarsonis]

that's a big part of it

While I don’t support the drug war, but I also don’t support things like “self-injection” sites.

Drug addiction is a public health crisis and should be treated as such.

[The Black Forrest]

It’s on par with your statement.

Not really, mines a fact, yours is inane comment used in lieu of having an actual rebuttal.

*shrugs* Your statement was inane. The fact you don’t like the comment?…..meaningless.

But hey. You can have the last comment.

[The Jamesian Republic]

that's a big part of it

While I don’t support the drug war, but I also don’t support things like “self-injection” sites.

All the more reason if America ever adopts Universal Healthcare it needs a Mental Health sector and it should be equipped to deal with drug addiction.

[Prima Scriptura]

While I don’t support the drug war, but I also don’t support things like “self-injection” sites.

Drug addiction is a public health crisis and should be treated as such.

I agree, and I think mandatory humane treatment of drug abusers and of the mentally ill is necessary. We already have seen the consequences of a laissez-faire approach to addiction and mental health, and we have seem the consequences of a “just lock them up“ approach

[The Black Forrest]

Drug addiction is a public health crisis and should be treated as such.

I agree, and I think mandatory inhumane treatment of drug abusers and of the mentally ill is necessary. We already have seen the consequences of a laissez-faire approach to addiction and mental health, and we have seem the consequences of a “just lock them up“ approach

Did you write that right? Mandatory inhumane treatment? If so; explain…..

[Prima Scriptura]

I agree, and I think mandatory inhumane treatment of drug abusers and of the mentally ill is necessary. We already have seen the consequences of a laissez-faire approach to addiction and mental health, and we have seem the consequences of a “just lock them up“ approach

Did you write that right? Mandatory inhumane treatment? If so; explain…..

*humane. In Minneapolis, the far-left wants to permit homeless camps and rapid drug use without any state intervention if it involves forcing people to get treatment. They would rather these poor people die.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

I strongly agree with Tarsonis Posts on illegal immigration, but I think he is making them in jest.

Trump y sus partidarios quieren deportar a los latinos que nacieron aquí si sus padres eran ilegales al momento del nacimiento

Translated to English: Trump and his supporters want to deport Latinos who were born here if their parents were illegal at the time of birth.

Trump y sus partidarios como yo, tenemos la razón - Trump and his supporters like me are right. I would only give them a path to citizenship in exchange for ending birth right citizenship for future sons of illegals born in the USA, which many of us think the 14th amendment to the US constitution has been misinterpreted for many years, and we hope the current conservative Republican majority on the US Supreme Court will reinterpret it correctly.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. The key words are all persons born or naturalized in the USA, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, so you have to be born and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, or you have to be naturalized like I was in the USA to be a US citizen. Persons born in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of their nations of legal birth and origin, not illegals in those nations and neither in the USA. This is why we and all nations have illegal immigration rules and regulations, even Mexico deports illegal persons.

[Prima Scriptura]

Trump y sus partidarios quieren deportar a los latinos que nacieron aquí si sus padres eran ilegales al momento del nacimiento

Translated to English: Trump and his supporters want to deport Latinos who were born here if their parents were illegal at the time of birth.

Trump y sus partidarios como yo, tenemos la razón - Trump and his supporters like me are right. I would only give them a path to citizenship in exchange for ending birth right citizenship for future sons of illegals born in the USA, which many of us think the 14th amendment to the US constitution has been misinterpreted for many years, and we hope the current conservative Republican majority on the US Supreme Court will reinterpret it correctly.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. The key words are all persons born or naturalized in the USA, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, so you have to be born and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, or you have to be naturalized like I was in the USA to be a US citizen. Persons born in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of their nations of legal birth and origin, not illegals in those nations and neither in the USA. This is why we and all nations have illegal immigration rules and regulations, even Mexico deports illegal persons.

Esto significará que la mayoría de los latinos serían deportados.

[Umeria]

Did you write that right? Mandatory inhumane treatment? If so; explain…..

*humane. In Minneapolis, the far-left wants to permit homeless camps and rapid drug use without any state intervention if it involves forcing people to get treatment. They would rather these poor people die.

I suspect you're mischaracterizing their views. Is the left actually blocking treatment programs, or is the current alternative to homeless encampments just having the cops break them up and force them to go somewhere else?

[Prima Scriptura]

*humane. In Minneapolis, the far-left wants to permit homeless camps and rapid drug use without any state intervention if it involves forcing people to get treatment. They would rather these poor people die.

I suspect you're mischaracterizing their views. Is the left actually blocking treatment programs, or is the current alternative to homeless encampments just having the cops break them up and force them to go somewhere else?

The AnComs oppose any efforts of mandatory treatment.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

[Umeria]

I suspect you're mischaracterizing their views. Is the left actually blocking treatment programs, or is the current alternative to homeless encampments just having the cops break them up and force them to go somewhere else?

The AnComs oppose any efforts of mandatory treatment.

Do they? Or is their opposition to the specific mandatory treatment programs on the table?

I'd certainly disagree with these AnComs if they're stopping actual rehabilitation programs because "drugs good" or whatever. But not if the program in question is just throwing them in jail or something similar.

[Tarsonis]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

Makes our embassies into targets.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Translated to English: Trump and his supporters want to deport Latinos who were born here if their parents were illegal at the time of birth.

Trump y sus partidarios como yo, tenemos la razón - Trump and his supporters like me are right. I would only give them a path to citizenship in exchange for ending birth right citizenship for future sons of illegals born in the USA, which many of us think the 14th amendment to the US constitution has been misinterpreted for many years, and we hope the current conservative Republican majority on the US Supreme Court will reinterpret it correctly.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. The key words are all persons born or naturalized in the USA, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, so you have to be born and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, or you have to be naturalized like I was in the USA to be a US citizen. Persons born in other nations are subject to the jurisdiction of their nations of legal birth and origin, not illegals in those nations and neither in the USA. This is why we and all nations have illegal immigration rules and regulations, even Mexico deports illegal persons.

Esto significará que la mayoría de los latinos serían deportados.

You have to post in English or Post in Spanish and English, so you wont get in trouble, translated to English: This will mean that most Latinos would be deported. Under our deal with the Democrats those DACA Millions would be given a path to citizenship, and future illegals born in the USA and other nations would be subject to deportation, and under the deal it would mean we will not tolerate illegal immigration only legal immigration, if we don't tolerate illegal immigration their will be no illegal immigration. It is this easy to do and understand and it really is this easy to do and understand.

On top of worsening crime and inflation, newly released Customs and Border Protection data shows that more than 2 million illegal immigrants have been caught crossing our border over the last year. That number is historic. And it’s just a fraction of the more than 4.4 million illegal immigrants who have crossed the border since Biden came into office, including over 850,000 “gotaways” who have escaped undetected into our country. That alone should seal Democrats’ fate in November: earlier this month, Kamala Harris said the border was “secure,” confirming the Biden administration is lying to the American people.At the same time the hypocrisy of Democrats and the liberal media is on full display for voters to see. Just last week, when 50 illegal immigrants set foot in Martha’s Vineyard, rich liberals didn’t like it when Biden’s open border policies arrived at their front doorstep. It suddenly became a humanitarian crisis.

and Martha's Vineyard, an official leftist Democrat majority sanctuary city, deported them and bused them to a US Naval Base, claiming they can't house 50 illegal persons, Obama at Obama's Mansion alone can house them, feed them and provide for all their expenses $ free of Charge, they all proved their leftist political hypocrisy on illegal immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wNFoZuDeiY

But what about the more than 53 migrants who died after being smuggled in the back of a trailer a few months ago? Back then the media tried to quickly flip the page, just like the Biden administration and Democrats are trying to do now to downplay their border crisis before the midterms. Democrats fear what Americans know: our country deserves better.

https://townhall.com/columnists/ronnamc ... r-n2613797

[Prima Scriptura]

The AnComs oppose any efforts of mandatory treatment.

Do they? Or is their opposition to the specific mandatory treatment programs on the table?

I'd certainly disagree with these AnComs if they're stopping actual rehabilitation programs because "drugs good" or whatever. But not if the program in question is just throwing them in jail or something similar.

They don’t support mandatory treatment. They believe that if people want to live on the streets, defecate and use needles less than a 100 yards away from a Elementary school, they should be allowed to do so.

[El Lazaro]

Mexico deports illegal persons.

Mexico, my favorite example of a functional government. Remember that time when the police worked with a cartel to rape, torture, and murder 200 immigrants? I can see why you’re a fan of their border policies.

[Cannot think of a name]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

Generally that's the place they're fleeing from under cover of night etc.

[Reverend Norv]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

First of all, you can apply for a visa from your home country, and indeed you are required to do so in order to enter the U.S. legally.

Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country.

Now: if you are in your home country, actively being persecuted, in danger of torture or death - would you really hang around for six months waiting for the U.S. embassy to process your application? Or would you flee, get to the U.S. any way you could, and then ask for asylum once you managed to arrive?

Asylum is a category for people who couldn't stay in their home countries - who did not have that option - who had no choice but to flee while they still could. That's why we don't allow people to apply for asylum from their home countries: at least in principle, if it's safe enough for them to stay in their own countries while they apply, then they have no business claiming asylum in this one.

I don't necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the traditional understanding of asylum, and it's important to understand it before we critique it.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

First of all, you can apply for a visa from your home country, and indeed you are required to do so in order to enter the U.S. legally.

Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country.

Now: if you are in your home country, actively being persecuted, in danger of torture or death - would you really hang around for six months waiting for the U.S. embassy to process your application? Or would you flee, get to the U.S. any way you could, and then ask for asylum once you managed to arrive?

Asylum is a category for people who couldn't stay in their home countries - who did not have that option - who had no choice but to flee while they still could. That's why we don't allow people to apply for asylum from their home countries: at least in principle, if it's safe enough for them to stay in their own countries while they apply, then they have no business claiming asylum in this one.

I don't necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the traditional understanding of asylum, and it's important to understand it before we critique it.

Okay. Thanks for explaining I understand it better now.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Esto significará que la mayoría de los latinos serían deportados.

You have to post in English or Post in Spanish and English, so you wont get in trouble, translated to English: This will mean that most Latinos would be deported. Under our deal with the Democrats those DACA Millions would be given a path to citizenship, and future illegals born in the USA and other nations would be subject to deportation, and under the deal it would mean we will not tolerate illegal immigration only legal immigration, if we don't tolerate illegal immigration their will be no illegal immigration. It is this easy to do and understand and it really is this easy to do and understand.

On top of worsening crime and inflation, newly released Customs and Border Protection data shows that more than 2 million illegal immigrants have been caught crossing our border over the last year. That number is historic. And it’s just a fraction of the more than 4.4 million illegal immigrants who have crossed the border since Biden came into office, including over 850,000 “gotaways” who have escaped undetected into our country. That alone should seal Democrats’ fate in November: earlier this month, Kamala Harris said the border was “secure,” confirming the Biden administration is lying to the American people.At the same time the hypocrisy of Democrats and the liberal media is on full display for voters to see. Just last week, when 50 illegal immigrants set foot in Martha’s Vineyard, rich liberals didn’t like it when Biden’s open border policies arrived at their front doorstep. It suddenly became a humanitarian crisis.

and Martha's Vineyard, an official leftist Democrat majority sanctuary city, deported them and bused them to a US Naval Base, claiming they can't house 50 illegal persons, Obama at Obama's Mansion alone can house them, feed them and provide for all their expenses $ free of Charge, they all proved their leftist political hypocrisy on illegal immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wNFoZuDeiY

But what about the more than 53 migrants who died after being smuggled in the back of a trailer a few months ago? Back then the media tried to quickly flip the page, just like the Biden administration and Democrats are trying to do now to downplay their border crisis before the midterms. Democrats fear what Americans know: our country deserves better.

https://townhall.com/columnists/ronnamc ... r-n2613797

If we are sending them to mansions why not send them to Mar a Largo?

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Mexico deports illegal persons.

Mexico, my favorite example of a functional government. Remember that time when the police worked with a cartel to rape, torture, and murder 200 immigrants? I can see why you’re a fan of their border policies.

My Primo Cousin in Chicago is married to a legal Mexican American Lady, and they have a daughter, he visits his wife's family in Mexico from time to time, they live safely in Mexico and he visits Mexico safely, there are thousands of American citizens living safely in Mexico, all nations are responsible for the safety of their citizens, the USA and other nations can help, but the main responsibility belongs to the nations governments. Have you seen my post about the time I went to Canada on vacation at Niagara Falls, with a large group of family and friends?

[Umeria]

Do they? Or is their opposition to the specific mandatory treatment programs on the table?

I'd certainly disagree with these AnComs if they're stopping actual rehabilitation programs because "drugs good" or whatever. But not if the program in question is just throwing them in jail or something similar.

They don’t support mandatory treatment. They believe that if people want to live on the streets, defecate and use needles less than a 100 yards away from a Elementary school, they should be allowed to do so.

I guess I'll just repeat what I already said; that whether this is an accurate portrayal of their beliefs depends on whether these are actual treatment programs or just forcing the homeless to continue suffering, just out of sight. Based on how you're framing this, I suspect it's the latter.

[Haganham]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

First of all, you can apply for a visa from your home country, and indeed you are required to do so in order to enter the U.S. legally.

Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country.

Now: if you are in your home country, actively being persecuted, in danger of torture or death - would you really hang around for six months waiting for the U.S. embassy to process your application? Or would you flee, get to the U.S. any way you could, and then ask for asylum once you managed to arrive?

Asylum is a category for people who couldn't stay in their home countries - who did not have that option - who had no choice but to flee while they still could. That's why we don't allow people to apply for asylum from their home countries: at least in principle, if it's safe enough for them to stay in their own countries while they apply, then they have no business claiming asylum in this one.

I don't necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the traditional understanding of asylum, and it's important to understand it before we critique it.

This logic doesn't really apply when they're not in the country they fled from. Like there is no reason a person fleeing from Venezuela needs to come to the US and ask for asylum. We have embassies in Brazil, Colombia and Guyana. Truth is a lot are economic migrants.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

First of all, you can apply for a visa from your home country, and indeed you are required to do so in order to enter the U.S. legally.

Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country.

Now: if you are in your home country, actively being persecuted, in danger of torture or death - would you really hang around for six months waiting for the U.S. embassy to process your application? Or would you flee, get to the U.S. any way you could, and then ask for asylum once you managed to arrive?

Asylum is a category for people who couldn't stay in their home countries - who did not have that option - who had no choice but to flee while they still could. That's why we don't allow people to apply for asylum from their home countries: at least in principle, if it's safe enough for them to stay in their own countries while they apply, then they have no business claiming asylum in this one.

I don't necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the traditional understanding of asylum, and it's important to understand it before we critique it.

Asylum, however, is different. The legal standard to claim asylum is that you must have a well-founded fear of persecution in your home country. and very few illegals qualify, but Biden is letting them in, busing them and flying them to Republican Red States, now they complain when we send them back to them in leftist Democrat sanctuary cities.