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Neutraligon wrote:

Yerachmeal wrote:What I mean is, Global warming isn't real, but I still think we should go green to preserve the environment. I don;t understand some of your comments though.

You do realize that the average global temperature has already increased right?

Oh yeah? Then why are there still monkeys ... no, wait, I mean, why do we still have snow?

Farnhamia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:You do realize that the average global temperature has already increased right?

Oh yeah? Then why are there still monkeys ... no, wait, I mean, why do we still have snow?

This rock hasn’t evolved caught fire yet!

Farnhamia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:You do realize that the average global temperature has already increased right?

Oh yeah? Then why are there still monkeys ... no, wait, I mean, why do we still have snow?

All fun and games until an absolutely serious lawmaker brings a snowball into Congress as "proof" that global warming isn't real.

Bovad wrote:

Yerachmeal wrote:I'm mostly conservative, and I don't believe in keeping non-whites out. I just want to keep illegal immigrants out.

How does easier immagration=ilegal immigration.

We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Tarsonis wrote:

Bovad wrote:How does easier immagration=ilegal immigration.

We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Ah, so you’re a “fuck off, we’re full” type. That’s good to know

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Ah, so you’re a “fuck off, we’re full” type. That’s good to know

And You're the type to make bad faith assumptions, but i already knew that

Tarsonis wrote:

Bovad wrote:How does easier immagration=ilegal immigration.

We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Kind of a shitty attitude from a country made up of people who invited themselves here. I mean, it was enough of our identity that there's a thing about it inscribed on the tablet of the giant statue in the New York harbor.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Kind of a shitty attitude from a country made up of people who invited themselves here. I mean, it was enough of our identity that there's a thing about it inscribed on the tablet of the giant statue in the New York harbor.

It's not an attitude, it's merely a fact and one that needs to be acknowledged if there's to be any meaningful discussion on immigration reform is to be had: no nation has an obligation to let anybody immigrate into their country. Every country has a right to sovereign control of its own borders.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Kind of a shitty attitude from a country made up of people who invited themselves here. I mean, it was enough of our identity that there's a thing about it inscribed on the tablet of the giant statue in the New York harbor.

I think it's important to try to ground this conversation in specifics. When we talk in general about ideals - about how we're a nation of immigrants, or about how sovereignty entails the right to control our border - we tend to distort both our own position and the other side's. I doubt you think that everyone in the world has an absolute right to come to America and stay, no matter what; I doubt Tars thinks that the country would be stronger or more virtuous if we kept absolutely everyone out. The real question is one of degree, and one of specifics: how many people should we let in, by what process, based on what criteria? If we focus on those questions rather than on scoring rhetorical points, we might actually get closer to understanding each other.

Tarsonis wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Kind of a shitty attitude from a country made up of people who invited themselves here. I mean, it was enough of our identity that there's a thing about it inscribed on the tablet of the giant statue in the New York harbor.

It's not an attitude, it's merely a fact and one that needs to be acknowledged if there's to be any meaningful discussion on immigration reform is to be had: no nation has an obligation to let anybody immigrate into their country. Every country has a right to sovereign control of its own borders.

I don't think anyone here disputes that a country has a right to control its borders. What is your proposal for curbing illegal immigration?

Farnhamia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:You do realize that the average global temperature has already increased right?

Oh yeah? Then why are there still monkeys ... no, wait, I mean, why do we still have snow?

We still have Snow Monkeys!

Tarsonis wrote:

Bovad wrote:How does easier immagration=ilegal immigration.

We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Hmmm we are not obligated to make immigration easier says the people whose ancestors who came here without serious immigration rules…..many with no rules…..

San Lumen wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
It's not an attitude, it's merely a fact and one that needs to be acknowledged if there's to be any meaningful discussion on immigration reform is to be had: no nation has an obligation to let anybody immigrate into their country. Every country has a right to sovereign control of its own borders.

I don't think anyone here disputes that a country has a right to control its borders. What is your proposal for curbing illegal immigration?

I'm gonna send you to the border with a sign that just says no.

San Lumen wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
It's not an attitude, it's merely a fact and one that needs to be acknowledged if there's to be any meaningful discussion on immigration reform is to be had: no nation has an obligation to let anybody immigrate into their country. Every country has a right to sovereign control of its own borders.

I don't think anyone here disputes that a country has a right to control its borders. What is your proposal for curbing illegal immigration?

Enforce illegal immigration rules, don't tolerate it.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Hmmm we are not obligated to make immigration easier says the people whose ancestors who came here without serious immigration rules…..many with no rules…..

That's not a rebuttal no matter how much you think it is.

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I don't think anyone here disputes that a country has a right to control its borders. What is your proposal for curbing illegal immigration?

Enforce illegal immigration rules, don't tolerate it.

Don’t build iron curtains.

The best way to decrease illegal immigration is to stop fueling the drug war.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
We have no obligation to make immigration easier, nobody has a right to come here.

Ah, so you’re a “fuck off, we’re full” type. That’s good to know

I strongly agree with Tarsonis Posts on illegal immigration, but I think he is making them in jest.

Umeria wrote:The best way to decrease illegal immigration is to stop fueling the drug war.

Yes

Tarsonis wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm we are not obligated to make immigration easier says the people whose ancestors who came here without serious immigration rules…..many with no rules…..

That's not a rebuttal no matter how much you think it is.

It’s on par with your statement.

Tarsonis wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I don't think anyone here disputes that a country has a right to control its borders. What is your proposal for curbing illegal immigration?

I'm gonna send you to the border with a sign that just says no.

That doesn't answer my question.

San Lumen wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:I'm gonna send you to the border with a sign that just says no.

That doesn't answer my question.

Yes it does, dress warm Buffalo is cold this time of year

The Black Forrest wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
That's not a rebuttal no matter how much you think it is.

It’s on par with your statement.

Not really, mines a fact, yours is inane comment used in lieu of having an actual rebuttal.

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Ah, so you’re a “fuck off, we’re full” type. That’s good to know

I strongly agree with Tarsonis Posts on illegal immigration, but I think he is making them in jest.

Trump y sus partidarios quieren deportar a los latinos que nacieron aquí si sus padres eran ilegales al momento del nacimiento

Umeria wrote:The best way to decrease illegal immigration is to stop fueling the drug war.

that's a big part of it