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American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

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Who do you think will win come November?

Republicans in Both Houses
41
30%
Republican House, Democratic Senate
57
42%
Democratic House, Republican Senate
12
9%
Democrats in Both Houses
26
19%
 
Total votes : 136

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:51 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Never said that.


We've told you how to get Telconi to support your environmental plan, support gun rights.


The planet is not a bargaining chip

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The United Front Empire
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Postby The United Front Empire » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The United Front Empire wrote:
Are you not aware of Democrats calling every election they lost illegitimate since Bush and Gore in 2000? Including governor races and congressional races?

Literally nobody has done that


Yeah?

https://tennesseestar.com/2022/09/18/th ... or-stolen/

https://dailyangle.com/articles/list-of ... legitimate
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:52 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I have. Why are Republicans trying to make it harder to vote?

Here is your proof: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna8342

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-c ... -elections

Can one really call voting restrictions "assaulting democracy" and "making it so they can never lose again?"


Yes.

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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
We've told you how to get Telconi to support your environmental plan, support gun rights.


The planet is not a bargaining chip


Well that's just too fucking bad then isn't it.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:53 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The planet is not a bargaining chip


Well that's just too fucking bad then isn't it.


Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:53 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I have. Why are Republicans trying to make it harder to vote?

Here is your proof: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna8342

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-c ... -elections

Can one really call voting restrictions "assaulting democracy" and "making it so they can never lose again?"

it's called "selecting your own electorate"
GDR were experts on this shit

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:54 pm


None of those said the people elected where illegitimate
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:54 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
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You say it wouldn't and then list reasons why it would.

How are those reasons that it woul be magnificent? I mean He's better than Hochul but everything SL said is true, about him


If we wholly ignore the hyperbole involved and presume Lumen's assessment of Zeldin. We've been presented two good positions, one that is of almost zero consequence, and one that's wholly irrelevant.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Well that's just too fucking bad then isn't it.


Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.

You can save the environment by not being silly on guns. It’s all up to you
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I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.

You can save the environment by not being silly on guns. It’s all up to you


Yea let’s give up all gun laws and go back to the Wild West.

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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:56 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.

You can save the environment by not being silly on guns. It’s all up to you

didn't realize lumen was running for office, let alone where telconi lives. good for him. good for him.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:56 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:Can one really call voting restrictions "assaulting democracy" and "making it so they can never lose again?"

it's called "selecting your own electorate"
GDR were experts on this shit


This is why a I sometimes call the Republicans the Socialist Unity Party.

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Yerachmeal
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Postby Yerachmeal » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Let me finish the sentence for you. Most people are too selfish to care about all the wild life it would harm, and all the pollution it would cause. Climate change is a conspiracy theory. I think we should go somewhat green for ceartain plants and animals sakes.


No it isn’t. Humans are causing the destruction of wildlife and forests at an insane rate. We are a cancer on this planet. I wish the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs hit the moon instead.

I agree with 1 excerpt of what you said. "Humans are causing the destruction of wildlife at an extreme rate," though I sat it's from pollution, and all these filthy fuels. We should slowly transition into renewable energy, and require some environmental regulations, as well as subsidize the windmill industry. We should not make it all at once through the new green deal. And Humans won't die otherwise, though AOC (and you) might faint in shock of us surviving.
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Well that's just too fucking bad then isn't it.


Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.


You're just as equally willing San. Otherwise you'd compromise. But shaming people on the internet for like g guns is more important to you than saving the environment.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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San Lumen
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Founded: Jul 02, 2009
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:57 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No it isn’t. Humans are causing the destruction of wildlife and forests at an insane rate. We are a cancer on this planet. I wish the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs hit the moon instead.

I agree with 1 excerpt of what you said. "Humans are causing the destruction of wildlife at an extreme rate," though I sat it's from pollution, and all these filthy fuels. We should slowly transition into renewable energy, and require some environmental regulations, as well as subsidize the windmill industry. We should not make it all at once through the new green deal. And Humans won't die otherwise, though AOC (and you) might faint in shock of us surviving.


Yes we should do it all at once.

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Postby American Legionaries » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Well that's just too fucking bad then isn't it.


Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.


I mean, it's not even "willing to sacrifice" climate change is only bad if we shitcan gun control.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:58 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Right, anyhow.


What if I told you we could save the environment and defend it with our AR-15s.


I’ll leave this here.

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The United Front Empire
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Postby The United Front Empire » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:58 pm

Thermodolia wrote:

None of those said the people elected where illegitimate


They literally called the president illegitimate.
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Lilithia
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Postby Lilithia » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:59 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:it's called "selecting your own electorate"
GDR were experts on this shit


This is why a I sometimes call the Republicans the Socialist Unity Party.

Just because they're red doesn't mean they're Reds, you know what I'm saying?

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Yerachmeal
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Postby Yerachmeal » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:Can one really call voting restrictions "assaulting democracy" and "making it so they can never lose again?"


Yes.

Of course. Let's pretend that photo ID really prevents a problem that never existed, like you say. That still doesn't explain how it tampers with "democracy"(even though as I've stated I don't know how many times, we're not a democracy.)
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:01 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Never said that.


We've told you how to get Telconi to support your environmental plan, support gun rights.

Sorry, the premise here is that San Lumen has an environmental “plan,” that Telconi’s support is somehow relevant to or could speed the implementation of, and that if San Lumen were more publicly supportive of loosening restrictions on guns, Telconi would become an environmentalist and support San Lumen’s plan and/or political career?

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.

You can save the environment by not being silly on guns. It’s all up to you

San Lumen can save the biosphere by conceding a years-long internet argument about gun rights. The agony of command rests on his shoulders alone

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Shame on you that your willing to sacrifice the environment for something stupid.


I mean, it's not even "willing to sacrifice" climate change is only bad if we shitcan gun control.

“A slow-moving apocalypse is only bad if I don’t get to shoot some people during it,” what a normal sentiment to express
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:01 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
What if I told you we could save the environment and defend it with our AR-15s.


I’ll leave this here.


The person who needs convincing is the elitist who thinks he should get everything he wants "just because" and it's everyone else who need to compromise.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:03 pm

I don’t see how supporting the environment and supporting gun rights has to be exclusive. In fact they should be complimentary.

The trees can’t be harmed if Americans are armed.

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Yerachmeal
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Postby Yerachmeal » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:03 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:How are those reasons that it woul be magnificent? I mean He's better than Hochul but everything SL said is true, about him


If we wholly ignore the hyperbole involved and presume Lumen's assessment of Zeldin. We've been presented two good positions, one that is of almost zero consequence, and one that's wholly irrelevant.

Zeor gun laws is terrible, and not allowing abortion in the first 3 months means if a teenager is raped she'll have to give birth. (Hopefully it's not sexist to assume it would be a she).
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:04 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I’ll leave this here.


The person who needs convincing is the elitist who thinks he should get everything he wants "just because" and it's everyone else who need to compromise.


The trees can’t be harmed if Americans are armed.

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